Never Thought I'd Say This: The Titans Have Big Problems on the Offensive Line
It is tough to remember a time where the Titans biggest problem was the offensive line, but that is what we are looking at right now. Sure this team has quite a few issues, but if the Titans can't get Chris Johnson going, it is going to be a long season.
Vince Young can do more than he is currently being allowed to do, but as long as Jeff Fisher is calling the shots this is going to be a run first offense. That means until CJ gets the running lanes back that he had last year we are going to keep seeing games like yesterday. The Titans scored enough points to win, but can't put a game away. That causes the defense to get tired because they are on the field a whole lot, something like 21 minutes in the second half yesterday. That is a recipe for losing every single time.
I know the easy thing is to say get Kevin Mawae back in here and all of the problems are over. I have no doubt that the line is missing Mawae's leadership, but his play had been slipping for a couple of years. The group that is currently out there is better physically than the one that was out there last year.
It is also not just as easy to say that teams are loading the box this season. They were doing that last year and there was still room for CJ to have a decent season.
Mike Munchak is arguably the best offensive line coach in the league. I have no doubt he can fix this unit, but he needs to do it in a hurry or we are looking at a long season.
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I dont know this answer
I do know (insider info) that center is the position he prefers to play
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by DonFrancisco on Oct 4, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Last Year
He Played at Guard Opposite of Jake Scott and Leroy Harris Played Center When Mawae Was Injured.
Harris Can play C and G as well as Amano Can play C and G
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
hi don
can you ask eugene what the heck is happening with the run blocking?
"We take pride in running the football here". - Eugene Amano, C
What the heck is happening with the run blocking?
(you see what I did there? i asked Eugene what the heck is happening with the run blocking?)
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I wasnt at the wedding either
dont know him well enough to ask that question
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he is big and i am not
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Good question
I wonder if that is something they are willing to re-evaluate at this point. How big of a deal would it be for them to switch Amano and Harris?
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Scott's not looked too good either
Piles of holding calls, whiffed blocks. I haven’t been able to watch much game footage, but that seems to hold in my mind. What about the tackles, are they partly responsible too?
by groovymountain on Oct 4, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
how come the titans dont use
The spread offense it was workin fine the first half.
by charmando on Oct 4, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Why dont they swich?
I have been wondering why not switch up Amano and Harris. Amano kicked ass last year at Guard and Harris filled in for Mawae at center and the line performed. But even the Big Ole tackles are standing straight up and not firing off on the ball. Coaching maybe? Come on Munchack get these cats in line! Go Titans!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 4, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
This was apparent from the onset of this season
In the pre-season, we dismissed CJ’s lack of production as him and the O-line not getting enough game reps to produce big numbers, but that during a regular-season game, we’d see the kind of runs we saw last year.
But now, 4 games into the regular season, we have seen few instances of CJ hitting holes and getting to the second level, many times having nowhere to go but into a massive wall of linemen.
It’s puzzling, since we have a pair of All-Pro caliber tackles and good experienced guards, but this is what also makes the issue most concerning. The talent is there… where is the production?
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so how do we factor Ringer's 50 yard run in there?
I didn’t get to see the game (#$%$ sigh), but highlights showing Ringer’s 50 yard run suggest it might be a bunch of factors including bad line play, predictability, an overworked CJ, that ridiculous sounding 370 touches rule, and whatever else you want to throw in there. I think all of us expected the O to carry the D this year and it is clearly the opposite. On the bright side at least we don’t have Bears O-line
by asbestos_man on Oct 4, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Watching the bears last night
Made me feel better about our loss. Holy Frijoles – to suck that bad on national tv.
Don’t we still have an OL starter out with injury?
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Otto missed the first few games. He is a back-up.
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That's who I was thinking of
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Seems like when Ringer goes in nobody expects him to run it
which leads to big gains. Ringer is good, but I think he’s benefiting from the fact that we’ve given about 12 carries to RBs not named CJ over the past 20 games.
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I thought that the pass protection was excellent
but the run blocking looks confused specially the right side.
"We take pride in running the football here". - Eugene Amano, C
I'm not sure why we are so poor this year in the run blocking.
But i thought the pass blocking was fine.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 4, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
The need to take the handcuffs off Vince
He needs to pass the ball more. It’s evident that defenses are keying CJ! That’s why Ringer is able to break off those big runs CJ used to break off last year.
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I have a feeling right now itll be a long year. Fisherball is dead, the run didnt win us games in 08 alone. KC wasnt actually always terrible, he played alright for about 50 minutes of the season. But with Vince we make this arguement that he can beat you with the pass and the run. That Pittsburgh game looks like its gonna haunt us all season and we saw it yesterday. I am relooking at the schedule and honestly, we are gonna be shredded against Rivers, McNabb, Vick if he starts for Eagles, Indy twice, Houston twice. KC is undefeated right now and Miami isnt that bad of a team. I dont think we can grab 8-8 especially the way we played. Anything less than a playoff appearance should mean the end of Fisher and most likely VY unless whatever HC we bring in wants to keep him. Hate to say it but through a quarter in the season, it looks lost.
The only positives we have is finally a good return man, a stout defense that needs help from the offense, Cecil is one pissed off man, there are still 12 games to be played.
While I agree on "Fisherball"
we aren’t losing because we are running too much. We are losing because we CAN’T RUN THE BALL PERIOD.
Im not saying 19 is too much
Its that they are producing nothing while we are down. Its like “hey this square peg doesnt fit into this circular hole….well ill just keep cramming it in there” at some point in a game like yesterday you have to start passing and once a few plays run it to try to get the running game started.
Keep this in mind guys
They have an 8-9 man front on most occasions. 5 offensive linemen , and one full back does not equal 8-9, let alone 7. TEs do come into question, but there will, more than likely, be one or two guys that aren’t blocked at the linebacker position.
Now hear me say this… I am NOT defending the O-Line. You guys are right about Amano, but Jake Scott has been just as bad. He is a, what my O-Line coach back in the day would like to call, a “pussy-blocker”, meaning he position blocks. The two most physical linemen we have are Stewart and Harris. Harris has struggled, but had a great block along with Roos yesterday on Ringer’s run. Stewart struggled vs the Giants but he has been the only one that has been steady.
We do have problems, but just keep in mind that we are outnumbers more times than not.
Coaching has got to change their philosophy, and I will be the first to say I am a Fisher supporter. However, 2 games outta 4 now, he simply has been OUTCOACHED.
Get it together.
That’s all.
I suspect Fisher is actually trying to lose the season so he can a) get rid of VY and b) go into this year’s draft and draft a pure pocket passer then you will start to see those 30-40 pass attempts a game with 15-17 rushes for CJ
by NJD28 on Oct 4, 2010 3:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
are we giving up then?
and now just trying to figure out how to win with fisherball rather than how to win with our guys? i would say we could probably get a 10-6 season and a first round loss if we get a dominant o-line and a physically imposing bowling ball of a running back. its worked before. thank goodness we have that personnel to make that philosophy work
running has to be part of the equation
even if we pass more, we have to be able to do better than this running.
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we threw 28 times yesterday and it didn't open up damn anything
in fact yesterday was easily the worst blocking performance so far.
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no matter what we do
the run blocking must get better. no way around it.
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Passing was more effective
CJ was shut down completely and we still ran the ball like a group led by a stubborn fool. I dont care if it is all check downs, its still more yardage then cj is giving us. It feels like the coaching staff is trying to pad cj’s stats instead of win
there were critical miscues in the passing game too
almost everyone had at least one drop, vince overthrew cook on what would have been a huge gain, awful blitz pick ups most of the game, etc.
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You have to commit to throwing it more before any teams are going to do anything besides crash the run game.
Defenses still don’t believe the Titans are willing to throw it much whe push comes to shove.
True
Teams also know they are rarely out of the game, because once the Titans get up by 10 or even 7 they will start to play not to lose.
obviously running needs to be part of the game
but as you say we have to do better at running the football. we cant pretend cj is eddie, and our line is the same as it was. theyre not – we need to adjust our playcalling and game strategy accordingly. that was more my point. fishers old tactics dont work if we dont have the personnel to carry them out
we SHOULD have that personnel though
i would believe mawae’s absence would hurt the passing game and blitz pick up, but an old man is a liability when you want to steam roll the other team. adding harris should make it better because run blocking was supposed to be his strength. we saw run-stacked defenses all year last year too, yet still produced holes. something isn’t getting executed right, or the blocking schemes suck or something, because there is no reason for this o-line to be so much worse than last year. if munchak really is the best in the biz, he needs to get it fixed soon.
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I just feel that Fisher has become complacent
He knows his job is safe and he doesnt care about winning, atleast thats how he comes off when he talks and the “adjustments” he makes.
Watching the Broncos yesterday
made me think we should have been running the same offense as them. Most of the passes were dink and dunk, but they got their playmakers involved. Our playmakers are better than what they have. Our QB could be more dangerous in that offense with the added dimension of VY"s running ability. The Broncos and Steelers were run blitzing on every play and daring us to throw. In the 1st half we were and it was working, with the exception of CJ fumble and missed field goal. When Mariani ran back the kickoff, Fisher/Heimerdinger thought they had all the points they needed…they didn’t. The defense was nicked up and tired. The Titans needed to put some plays together to let the D rest and at least pin the Broncos deep. Fish then calls 2 run plays, followed by a bootleg pass to Hall that never developed due to safety blitz…punt….ballgame….typical Fisher conservatism.
Just WR?
Maybe not., but I said playmakers. I am including CJ, and our TE"s. If the Titans ran more of a wide open offense maybe we could find out. Throwing the ball 20 times a game we will never know what we have.
As of now I’m disappointed that Sam Bradford has more Pass attempts than VY
by NJD28 on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How many yards does steven jackson have?
I havent followed the rams at all, cept we have the same record as them…
i dont know
but if someone told you 3 months ago that their receivers were brandon lloyd, a rookie, jabar gaffney, and eddie royal would you be blown away?
Exactly.
What do we do about it? Well, we can’t do anything, but the entire offensive line has been, well, offensive. Munchak has got to get them back to form immediately. And on another subject, does anyone else think if we used a slot receiver more Mariani would do well. Maybe even just a regular WR. But his play, vision, and evading tacklers…it really reminds me of Wes Welker.

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