Jeff Fisher's making it hard to root for this team.
by DannoE on Oct 3, 2010 6:16 AM CDT
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PrintI remember a few years ago. The Vikings had a young, electric Adrian Petersen, an excellent defense, a few decent skill players, and a total enigma at Quarterback in Tavaris Jackson and whoever his back-up was (EDIT: Gus Ferrote). Bottom line, save for the QB, they had perhaps the best team in the League. Went 10-6 a few times, reliably made the playoffs, and generally brought a lot of hope and frustration to Vikings fans everywhere. I know this because one of my good friends at the time was a close Vikings fan, and I had to hear about it all the damn time. I remember thinking, "Man, I'm glad as all Hell I'm not a Vikings fans. That stupid Brad Childress is just killing them. They're SO CLOSE!
"But at least they're gonna make the playoffs. I mean, they ARE a good team."
Why do I bring this up, you ask?
Because the Titans are the 2008 Vikings redux, only with a lot fewer excuses. Consider:
- Like the Vikings of yesteryear, the Titans have the best offensive player in the game, a dynamic running back that gets talked about on Sports Center every night..
- Both teams also have an attacking, Top Ten Defense.
- WRs and TE's? Justin Gage or Sidney Rice? Bernard Berrian or Nate Washington? Eh, that Vikings team has no answer for Kenny Britt if you ask me. Or Bo Scaife.
- QB: Gotta give the nod to Young over Jackson IMHO. Though I think Jackson gets a bit of a bum rap at times.
So... can anybody guess the point of this exercise?
Yes, the point is to prove that Jeff Fisher is a worse coach than even Brad Childress, who I think anybody can tell you isn't a hero. I say this because even with Tavaris Jackson, I mean, everybody KNEW that those Vikes were gonna go AT LEAST 10-6, make the playoffs, maybe even win a playoff game. Meanwhile, these Titans have a BETTER team, and we'll be lucky to go 9-7... just because our coach hates our QB.
Can we PLEASE have a new coach now? Any other coach in the League can make this roster into at least an 11-5 club with a strong expectation of not just a playoff berth but an actual playoff victory. When was the last time we had one of THOSE in Tennessee?
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This analogy is ridiculous
seriously: “Justin Gage or Sidney Rice?” ?
Let’s give Fish and Dinger a few more weeks to see how the play-calling shakes out.
A few more weeks???
Really? they have been together off and on for years and it has always been the same playcalling I do not see a few more weeks helping mattters.
Now I'm not too much for this whole fire Fisher.
I wasn’t even on board the day after the 0-6 start. Many of the people who support Fisher get bashed on this site for saying “Who are they going to replace him with”. Some people like to say “We need to be out there looking for the next Mike Tomlin” I even remember someone saying we need to find the next Josh McDaniels.
What in the blue hell has Josh McDaniels done? Run his starting QB and legit number 1 WR out of town, go 6-0 in the first 6 games of the season and then spectacularly fail going 2-8 in the last 10 games, tie the record of the 2009-2010 Tennessee Titans, draft a gimp WR with foot problems OVER Dez Bryant, and draft a fullback most thought would go in the 3rd or 4th over Jimmy Clausen.
Wow. Just wow.
Oh. And don’t forget, when new head coaches are hired, they often bring their regime with them. Everyone here might bash on Fisher. But who bashes on the position coaches like Munchak, Washburn, McGinnis, and even Cecil? I think Munchak and Washburn might be the best position coaches in the league. McGinnis is above average I think and Cecil was the DBs coach in 2008 when nobody could throw on us.
So how many would trade Fisher, Munchak, Washburn, McGinnis, and Cecil for Josh McDaniels.
Not me.
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by King Titan on Oct 3, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Completely agree
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude, I have no idea what your point is.
This idea that there are no good coaches out there is insane. True, there are some lemons, but just because Josh McDaniels is an idiot doesn’t mean that EVERYONE is. I mean, that doesn’t even make sense on its face.
DannoE
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Firing a coach in the middle of the season
sounds like a good idea? I haven’t done the research yet but I’m pretty sure that works out badly 100% of the time. You either elevate an assistant, who will have been mentored by Fisher, who then is almost certainly a lame duck. Goodbye season. You bring in Cower, who then works either brings in his own guys or works with the staff in place who are almost certain to be fired after this season. Again lame duck regime for the remainder of this season. Goodbye season.
I’ve said repeatedly, Fisher needs to win a playoff game this season or he’ll be fired. But for better or worse, he’s going to remain the coach through the remainder of the season. And I think rightly so.
AJS
That's pretty clever
and got a pretty good chuckle out of it, i’ll give you that. Yes Jeff was an interim coach but Bud knew he waanted to hire Fisher long term to take over the team. They went 2 – 9 to finish the season as I recall. But the ‘fire fisher now because I’m so mad’ \thinking begs the question, are you ready to throw away this seaon to make a kneejerk change in head coach? Or do you think it would be better to let Fisher finish the seaon, which we’re only 4 games into, and if he fails to win at least one playoff game, you fire him then and engage in thorough and thoughtful search for a new HC?
AJS
I'm fine with this.
Start searching for a replacement now and fire him whenever you find the guy you want.
Yeah, that was my idea. Has been since last season.
DannoE
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Not sure about HC.
I’d love to see what Gus Malzahn could do in the NFL and this offense as OC, though.
My point is,
even if we fire Fisher and bring in a head coach. Lets agree it be a great coach in Bill Cowher. He comes in and gets rid of everybody. Do you really want some of the best assistant coaches in the league gone? There is no way Cowher would keep anybody. Especially Washburn since Cowher would want a 3-4 defense.
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If our assistants are the best in the league, why are we not winning?
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Hold on a bit there Trigger - -
While you bash McDaniels, you should think about what his game plan did to your defense today. Orton completed 70% of his passes. Denver moved the ball at will for most of the game, despite a complete lack of a running game. But McDaniels is an idiot right?
Also, since you haven’t watched Denver play that much, D. Thomas is a freak of nature. Not that Dez Bryant won’t be any good, but nobody in Denver is crying the case of who got the better end of the deal. You will be surprised by this man—or weren’t you already when he racked up 140 yards returning today?
I am a Broncos fan, but was never a Tebow fan. After the draft, you could look a the big picture and see McD jockeyed perfectly to get 2 first round picks exactly where he wanted them. Tebow has looked good in pre-season. He probably won’t play for a while, but he WON’T be a bust. If you watch some film, I bet you will agree that he has “it” for the NFL. Poised, calm, big, strong, on target…and yes a sweet big windup—who cares?
Fisher is your problem..and McD is ours. I’ll take the young potential over the proven mediocrity any day of the week.
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I think your analogy between the two teams is pretty solid
But there is no way Brad Childress is a better coach than Jeff Fisher.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
You wouldn't think so, but he's had consistently better results with similar personel.
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I'm not gonna bother looking through a bunch of stats,
But there is still no way Childress is a better coach than Fisher. Its not even close.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thinking. Wouldn't want those pesky stats getting in the way of your delusions of our HOF coach....
by SuperHorn on Oct 3, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey I never said he was a HoF coach.
Are you saying that Childress is a better coach than Fisher?
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. Very similar.
Just saying that making a statement like you did above is, by definition, ignorant.
When I said I wasn't gonna bother looking through stats,
it was because it was almost gametime and I had work to do. I wasn’t going to waste time when I had other things to do. I know you think I completely ignore stats, but there are other things to take into account when judging coaches. I maintain that Childress is a much worse coach than Fisher.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Apart from stats:
-I think Childress has mishandled the Brett Favre situation.
-He’s failed to provide a future quarterback for the organization
-Most of the defensive credit goes to Leslie Frazier (and before him, Mike Tomlin)
I know their winning percentages are similar, but when you look at their body of work, it seems pretty clear to me that Fisher is better.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Re:
-I think Childress has mishandled the Brett Favre situation.
You really think Fisher has handled this Vince situation the right way?
-He’s failed to provide a future quarterback for the organizationSo, you’re going to give Fisher credit for “providing a future quarterback”? Do you really think he wanted Vince as his Qb in 06, and even now?
-Most of the defensive credit goes to Leslie Frazier (and before him, Mike Tomlin)Most of the Titans defensive credit goes to Gregg Williams and Jim Schwartz.
Well..
You really think Fisher has handled this Vince situation the right way?
No.
So, you’re going to give Fisher credit for "providing a future quarterback"? Do you really think he wanted Vince as his Qb in 06, and even now?
Yes I do. I thought he wanted to draft VY. If that was not the case, I don’t think either of the two would have lasted in Tennessee this long. Do you have substantial evidence that he was forced to take Vince?
Most of the Titans defensive credit goes to Gregg Williams and Jim Schwartz.
No, both have left and yet the Titans defense is still strong. Childress is an offensive coach who has very little input in the defensive side of things. Williams and Schwartz both left for head coaching jobs yet our defense is killer once again. Fisher is the common denominator through the years.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 4, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, stats mean everything.
We should have hired Chan Gailey before the Bills did. He’s really turned that organization around.
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We're not dismissing stats altogether. But stats almost never tell the full story.
Stats can be manipulated to support different arguments.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When you (ie. people in general) look for stats that support their argument,
they skip over stats that don’t support their argument.
I’ve only taken one Stats course in university, but even the prof covered bias and manipulation. In fact I think he even mentioned that statistics can be slanted and in some cases illustrate lies. I’m not calling you out individually, but basing arguments should not only be based on statistics.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I comment as I do school work, but I don’t have the time to go through to find stats. Plus I’m hit or miss on pro-football-reference when it comes to finding stats I’m looking for.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 3, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the Titans
I hate Jeff Fisher
I dont care what happens the rest of the year, I made up my mind..I hate him, I hate him, I hate him.
by TITANS 'n LAKERS FaN 4 Life on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions
BTW...
It’s weird how folks are in here talking smack about Josh McDaniels right now. If I’m McDaniels, at this point, I’m kind’a doubting that Jeff Fisher has anything to teach me.
On another topic, today’s QB performance was truly Kerry-Collins-esque. Outstanding for exactly 2 quarters and then absolutely NIL after that. Man, what is up with these Titans’ QBs and their 2nd half performances?
DannoE
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In the postgame, Vince said that Denver went from man to zone in the second half, limiting opportunities to mostly underneath throws.
I thought that tidbit was interesting.
If it's true, then why not take some of the underneath stuff?
I mean, first, Dawkins was blitzing all over the place, and second, they needed to do SOMETHING. The running game wasn’t working, and the O-Line wasn’t protecting for shit.
DannoE
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Colts – 2-2
Jags – 2-2
Titans – 2-2
Texans?
AJS
Fire!!!!!
You don’t have to bring in a new regime. Fire Fish and move someone up. I’m sure there is someone on the coaching staff who has a different mindset than short sighted/conservative Jeff. Someone who is a more aggressive and open minded. And will not let his personal feelings get in his way of doing his job.
He really is,, it's so frustrating
and can someone who supports Fisher tell me why they do? like I’m not trying to argue, I just want to know what makes you so satisfied with him as the head coach
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