Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Lets Just Rename 'Facepalm' To 'The Fisher' Edition
by August West on Jan 21, 2010 9:31 AM CST
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Kevin Mawae led a group of 30 current and former players to Capitol Hill yesterday to talk with Congress about issues that are pushing the NFL and NFLPA towards a work stoppage. The visit was timed to coincide with a rather important case being considered just down the road. The actual case in front of the Supreme Court (how is it different from a regular court? Sour cream.) has to do with NFL logos on hats not made by Reebok, but the real issue is that the NFL is contending it should be treated as one entity, not a collection of franchise owners. This would unequivocally make the NFL exempt from antitrust regulations, which has been unofficially true for years, but has been used as a bargaining ship against the league. Mike Florio (better lawyer than analyst) has a good recap of how that's so and why it's important.
Kenny Britt is hanging out with the wrong crowd. That's not the same thing as going down the wrong path just yet, but associating with and helping out convicted felons who aren't family just isn't a good idea. It's not exactly shocking by NFL standards, but hopefully he'll wise-up and focus in on people who can help him through his career, not hurt him.
Jeff Fisher was on the Dan Patrick show yesterday, and Gary Estwick has a few of Fisher's choice gems. Here's the one that makes the headlines:
Fisher continued: "We had those first three games; we could have gone either way. Then we had three that didn’t go well – we had that moral victory at New England, keeping them under 60." (the Patriots won 59–0).
Follow us through the jump for a pretty solid observation about VY's Pro Bowl invite....
So we all know VY was added to the Pro Bowl roster, but leave it to Paul K to put it in perspective:
Young was very good, and sometime great, after taking over as Tennessee’s starter following an 0-6 record with Kerry Collins at quarterback.
But we’re now seven deep in the AFC Pro Bowl quarterback pool, and if the Colts win the AFC Championship and advance to the Super Bowl, it’ll be eight because Peyton Manning won’t play.
Eight of sixteen starters in the conference may be able to call themselves Pro Bowlers. Apologies, but that doesn’t feel like a big honor and it’s another reason why the Pro Bowl is broken.
Sign me up for a league where the half the people with my job qualify as all-stars.
Eugene Amano made a new Titans fan when he showed up at the hospital where his mom works to comfort Chris Anguiano, who was brutally attacked with a hatchet in a case of mistaken identity. Anguiano was attacked with a hatchet while he slept, and woke up from a coma scarred, blind and with brain damage. It's a terrible story, and Amano's gesture is really cool way to help lift a fellow Filipino's spirits a little bit after such a brutal, unprovoked tragedy.
Ross Tucker of Sports Illustrated takes a look at the NFL's hidden coaching carousel: the assistants and coordinators. On a side-note, when Chan Gailey got the job in Buffalo I bet Mike Heimerdinger just started throwing things. I mean, on what planet would Gailey be a better hire than 'Dinger or a whole host of assistants who have been chomping at the bit for over a decade?
Bucky Brooks got into the mock draft mood, and he has us taking Everson Griffen as well.
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Sigh... seriously? How about we not tell Kenny Britt who he can and can't hang out with
Nothing better in sports than old, white men telling young, black men how to live their lives. If Kenny Britt didn’t do anything wrong, which he didnt, and wasnt there when the crime was committed, which he wasnt, I don’t understand how this even becomes a story, much less one in which we can comment on.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 9:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
We'll call it the "Pacman Syndrome"
I agree with you…but Titan fans have every right to be a little sensitive to things like this.
At first glance, it’s “here we go again.” and then you read it and see it is nothing.
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Sensitive is one thing
but we dont have a right to then pontificate about who his friends should be and what he should do with his money. As everyone has admitted, he has done nothing wrong.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'll just add this:
Kenny Britt is a football player and his off field life should only be an issue if he commits a crime or it affects his on field play.
Yet apparently somebody helping out a childhood friend is now our business and we feel its okay to tell him he needs to ditch this guy because we all know how to live his life better than he does. Come on.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I agree completely.
I don’t know, but I would be willing to bet that Britt hasn’t seen the guy in ten years. And yet, when the guy—clearly out of other options—called and leaned on that one-time friendship… I mean, what is a guy supposed to do? Britt obviously has the money in hand. And he’ll almost certainly get it back, too.
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Come on T-rac
we’ve seen this too many times, and when the team you like has a multi-million dollar investment in a guy you’d like to hope he’s making sound decisions.
The fact that I’m white and he’s black is irrelevant. I’ve got friends I’ve had to drop through the years because they’re continually making the same bad decisions I’d grown out of, and I had no interest in getting put in situations that would cost me.
Hell, if nothing else, he should be smart enough to know how to keep his name off of this story. Give the cash to a guy who goes and pays the bail or something. It’s not a big deal, but you have to be smart these days.
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by August West on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Until he actually commits a crime, no, we havent see nthis a million times
He didnt do anything wrong. He can do whatever he wants. It is relevant that you’re white and he is black because you have different sensibilities because you come from a different culture. If Kyle Vandenbosch had done this, nobody says a word.
It’s an assumption by the mostly white media that his friends will bring him down because he is from the hood and hood friends ruin careers. Well, it’s his life, he grew up there, I can’t relate (and I suspect neither can you), and until he himself actually commits a crime or does something that affects his play on the field, it’s his life and we have no right to butt in and tell him how to live it. All we know is he helped a friend out with bail, and that’s enough to pontificate about how he is going down the wrong path and “choosing the wrong friends”.
Bottom line, it’s not our place.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
"It is relevant that you’re white and he is black because you have different sensibilities because you come from a different culture. If Kyle Vandenbosch had done this, nobody says a word."
Pardon my french, but that’s fucked-up. If you’ve go beef with what other people have said then that’s fine, but don’t act like I hammered him. I just said it’s a bad idea, whether you’re Kenny Britt or Kyle Vanden Bosch.
It’s a valid concern that he’s bailing out felons he grew up with because it’s a problem that countless young white and black athletes face: crappy friends you grew up with screw a lot of things up once you make it. All I’m saying is it’s not a great sign this early on. I know this wouldn’t have been a story 5 years ago, but it’s the day and age we live in.
Also, If you don’t think it’s our place to comment on it then that’s your opinion, but slow the fuck down when it comes to calling me racist just because you don’t like a story.
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by August West on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I didnt say you were racist
I’m saying race is relevant because you come from a different culture with different sensibilities. That’s not racism, that’s a fact. If you think you can relate to how Kenny Britt grew up, then you must have a completely different background and childhood than I am thinking you did, which is my bad on that. But I don’t think I am off-base here.
Defend it however you want but this is a non-starter if Kyle Vandenbosch does it, and since it was the Tennessean that started this with Britt, I would bet they wouldn’t even mention it with Vandenbosch and thus it isn’t linked to on here.
Get outraged all you want. The facts are you are telling Kenny Britt he is choosing the wrong friends he is hanging out with the wrong crowd when you don’t know any of that for a fact. You don’t know how he grew up, you don’t understand the culture he comes from, and you don’t have any right whatsoever to comment on his choice of friends or what he does with his money until he actually commits a crime or makes a personal decision that affects his play on the field.
I think it’s just as fucked up you think it’s completely in your purview to tell him how to live his life.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
You didn't call me racist
but it sure seemed to be the implication there. Maybe ‘racially insensitive’ is a better description for what you were leaning towards.
Are there assumptions being made about this guy Britt bailed out? Yes, but when you’ve already been convicted on two federal gun charges and are now being held for interfering with a homicide investigation, it’s generally pretty safe to assume that you’re either a shady guy or the unluckiest mug in New Jersey. There’s a difference between making unfair assumptions and pointing out the obvious.
I don’t know if Kenny grew up under rough circumstances or not (doesn’t sound too bad here), but he is a public figure now. The standards of accountability change when the public is paying your salary.
Either way it should have been handled in a better way; a way that kept Britt’s name off the story.
Regarding this KVB hypothetical, I’m doubtful you’re right that it wouldn’t have been a story, but if I’d have seen it I sure as hell would have linked it and commented on it. If you think we shouldn’t comment on anything off the field with these guys then you’re a member of a pretty small club. Probably small enough to have matching jackets and free cookies at your meetings in somebody’s living room.
So, yeah, have fun with that.
I like you T-Rac, but you’re being a bit of a self-righteous dick on his one.
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by August West on Jan 21, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I am, that's certainly a possibility
But that doesn’t mean I am wrong, it just means I am going about it the wrong way, which I do a lot.
My shot about it being a non-story is not intended for you. I have read you long enough and “known” (in the internet sense) you long enough to say that yes, if there was a story out of Vandenbosch you would link to it. Honestly I wouldnt agree with that either, but I do think that the Tennessean wouldn’t have brought it up. Maybe they would have since they have that blog now (which is where originally this story came from), but I just don’t think so. At least give me this: It wouldn’t be in the same vein. Jim Wyatt would not start it off with “Vandenbosch’s company is worth questioning.” I just don’t see it.
It became a story because of the very dubious parallel to Pacman and the reason why it became related to Pacman is because Pacman had a bad entourage, did some horrible things, and was a young black man with lots of money.
The only real parallel I see with Britt is he is a young black man with lots of money. However, even the story itself is dubious because he doesn’t hang out with this guy, this guy isn’t in Britt’s entourage. He’s a childhood friend who Britt bailed out of jail.
I just don’t see it as our place (the media and the fans) to chastise him about who his friends are and what he does with his money until he 1) breaks the law or 2) does something that affects his play on the field. It’s up to his parents and coach and whoever else he views as a mentor in his life to give him advice on his friends and the company he keeps.
He deserves a right to privacy, and I see this as a huge violation of it from people who can’t relate to him in any way and don’t get the circumstances, and I think that attitude largely stems from racial insensitivity.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
much more reasonable response
/yawn (just kidding)
Pac certainly made all Titans fans more sensitive to this stuff because you heard that same mantra about the people around him for years until it all blew-up. Thankfully I’m sure we can all agree that Britt has shown absolutely no signs of following Pac’s example in any way.
Like it or not, the right to privacy these days is increasingly an illusion, and the limits of what can/should be commented on are even harder to find.
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by August West on Jan 21, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Like it or not, the right to privacy these days is increasingly an illusion, and the limits of what can/should be commented on are even harder to find.
This is true, but as Jimmy said during the Steve McNair tragedy, we are a blog, and the advantage to that is we can choose what and what not to cover.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Calm down, August....
opinions are like a-holes…everybody’s got one, and should be allowed to voice them, especially on this kind of venue. Nobody wants to see the “playmaker” get into trouble, including T-Rac. I hear what T-Rac is saying, that until he actually does…we shouldn’t worry about it. On the other hand, I agree with you that he’s in the spotlight whether he likes it or not, so he’s got to be extra careful who he hangs with & what he does. I think we’re all on the same team here and have the same goals, to see our team succeed and go all the way. LUV YA BLUE!!!!!
by titansfan4ever on Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't denying anyone the ability to voice an opinion
hell, if anything I was being criticized for the act of expressing an opinion (no problem with that; to each their own).
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Seriously, Fisher?
Fisher continued: “We had those first three games; we could have gone either way. Then we had three that didn’t go well – we had that moral victory at New England, keeping them under 60.” (the Patriots won 59–0).
I’m over reacting. I can identify that I’m over reacting. But, take a hint, Fisher. The fans aren’t interested in hearing you joke about it. Whether you care or not, we pay your salary.
The comment by itself isn’t a big deal. He just continues to feel like an elitist coach, with ultimate job security, making personnel, coach, and media decisions at his discretion with complete disregard to the fans.
I actually laughed at the moral victory part
Not sure if it was because it was funny or just how poor of an effort that game was.
by crazylegs28 on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I thought the joke was hilarious
but I also know most of the fanbase will be “outraged” by these comments.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
No reason to get upset
That game did cause one thing to happen. It finally got rid of Kerry Collins and that’s a very good thing.
by crazylegs28 on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
yup
It also gave VY a no pressure situation because it literally couldnt have gotten worse
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh.
No….No, No, No.
Nothing good came of this. The premise that it was a good thing that we started 0-6 because it allowed us to move forward is beyond ridiculous.
You always start the guy that is best for the job. Period. Whether we were 0-6, or 6-0, if Vince was clearly the better guy for the job, he should get the nod. It shouldn’t require a cataclysmic meltdown to force Fisher’s hand.
The problem is you’re right. Fisher needed an 0-6 start in order to hand Vince the reigns. Regardless of whether he was the better quarterback, Fisher was going to start “his guy” Kerry Collins.
The scary thing is that for all this talk of what would have been had we squeaked out wins against the Texans, Jets, or Steelers, I don’t think it would have mattered. We might have been worse off. At 2-4, going into the bye week, we would have still had hope. And, at that point, Bud doesn’t make the call to Fisher. Vince is still riding the bench, and probably on someone else’s roster next year.
It doesn’t matter now, and that’s pure speculation. But, that’s how bad coaching can screw a franchise. The worst part is that they could have cut Vince and everyone on this board would still be of the opinion that he was a garbage quarterback. Fisher wouldn’t look bad because we never would have seen his “rebound”. We’d be drafting a quarterback in the top 10, starting Kerry Collins, and rebuliding all over again.
by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was fascinated by that game, in a morbid way
I turned on the game and saw a 45-0 score, and thought, “Ouch.” And then I remembered the game wasn’t supposed to be over, and sure enough, it said “halftime.” More ouch. I have to admit I kind of laughed in a shocked, disbelieving manner.
I’ve never seen any like it in the NFL. They actually cut away from the game in the third quarter, which honestly made me slightly upset because I was curious to see if it could get worse. I could only think that A) Somebody’s job is in real trouble now and B) I wonder if Belicheck is mean enough to push this to 70. Which he could have, unfortunately.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, I'm not outraged
I think Fisher is an idiot, but I’m not outraged.
Now jerseygate, that was something to get outraged about.
I concur
He lost me over the jersey thing. Anything he does now just highlights his idiocy.
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by gramsey712 on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, you guys are so myopic it's unbelievable
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we are myopic at all.
Jeff Fisher will never win a Super Bowl. Book it.
It just took the jersey incident to make me stop defending him.
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Yep. Myopic.
It took a jersey “incident” for you to decide he can’t win a Super Bowl. How related.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Nope
It took a jersey “incident” to make me realize it and stop defending him. I was myopic before the jersey incident.
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hahaha touche
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
first "idiocy" and now "myopic"....
C’MON GUYS!!!!
by titansfan4ever on Jan 21, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Listen
We can go over and over and over why Jeff Fisher is the greatest coach ever or why he’s the biggest piece of shit ever and no one is going to change their mind about anything.
So we can either sit here and over-pontificate on things that don’t matter (since, in the end, Fisher isn’t going anywhere) or we can just call it a day.
We’ve done this before. Many times.
And it's funny
How you blast August for having an opinion on Kenny Britt and yet think that people who don’t like Jeff Fisher are “myopic”.
Sorry for having an opinion that doesn’t jive with your’s (which, as everyone knows, is the correct one.)
How you cant seem to tell the difference between the two is pretty funny. Or sad. I'll go with sad.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
There is no difference
Someone has an opinion that isn’t your’s is apparently either (a) a racist or (b) myopic.
There is a huge difference
The stories are completely different. What are you talking about? In one, I think it’s wrong to chastise and pontificate on someone when it isnt our place.
The other is a silly, pointless argument about our coach. I wasnt even being serious with Gramsey.
There is a huge difference and you aren’t making any sense.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Don't let him get to you TNTitans.
I only take about 10% of what Posse says seriously.
The trick is trying to figure out which 10%.
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Oh
And thinking Jeff Fisher is a bad coach because of his wardrobe choices would be “myopic,” so let me clear:
I don’t think Jeff Fisher is a bad coach because he wore a Manning jersey. I think he’s a bad coach because he coaches badly.
by TNTitans on Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good for you. A perfectly valid opinion that I am allowed to disagree with
If you dont want to argue about, then take it upon yourself to keep your opinion to yourself. Don’t tell others they should keep their opinions to themselves and this argument is dead THEN MAKE YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody is arguing with you
I like cheese.
by TNTitans on Jan 21, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Paul K is a miserable pessimist
Unless he’s slobbing on Peyton Manning’s knob PK loves to keep anything remotely exciting “in perspective.” And in defense of the NFL, the game is called the Pro Bowl…. not the NFL All-Star game. It has no bearing on ANYTHING other than TV ratings which is different from MLB and NBA (winner gets playoff advantage right?). It’s an exhibition game with the most talented, healthy players available for the game. I would much rather watch VY play with CJ for a quarter rather than watch Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers throw quick slants or miss a bunch of 60 yard bombs because they are hurt and can’t throw accurately. As usual, Paul K can go f*** himself. I chuckled at his bit yesterday – “If Manning earns a second title, I don’t know that the next complaint from those who don’t want to like him or acknowledge his historical position is an obvious one.” Cups the balls Paul, cup em.
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by Chris Faulkner on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions
I usually watch it because it's on, and it's usually snowing when it's on.
I iron my shirts while watching football. Once the season is over, the shirts still have to get ironed, I just don’t have anything interesting to watch while I’m doing it. I guess it’s good that I’m about to take a job reviewing movies. Maybe I can get my weekly ironing and reviewing in at the same time now.
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I used to watch bits and parts of it because it was the last football game of the year
by crazylegs28 on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Pshaw
There’s nothing better to do the weekend between the Conference Championship games and the Super Bowl.
What are you gonna watch, Desperate Housewives?
DVDs...
I have 15 seasons of Star Trek, 5 seasons of Andromeda, all 4 seasons of The Pretender, and a whole bunch of good movies on DVD that I’ll watch before the Pro Bowl.
I have a hard time watching games where both of the following are true:
*The outcome doesn’t matter to my favorite team.
*My favorite team isn’t playing.
Exhibition events as a whole are worthless.
This includes the MLB All-Star Game as well. And probably the NBA all-star game, although I have never in my life watched an entire NBA game, so that is not on my radar.
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Why don't they just give out the awards and not play the game?
Isn’t the honor the real point?
"And with the 15th pick, the Tennessee Titans select..."
That's what I think
Make it like the ultimate All-Pro Roster
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
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by August West on Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Pro Bowls are G.
when there’s nothing else on to watch :-)
by titansfan4ever on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
VY Pro-Bowl
He was very good as a starter in 2009… This year the level of QB play in the AFC was tremendous. Rivers, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger and Schaub all had what would be considered “career” years for an above average NFL starting QB. No shame in coming behind those guys… I’d say his play was about commensurate with Palmer’s. Not sure what “deserving” means in that context, but VY played an integral role in turning the team around and winning ball games. The success rushing, passing, and keeping the jersey clean are a testament to Young’s abilities and the efforts of the team. Good for VY and good for the Titans.
*sigh*
I dunno what’s worse; the fact that some people overreacted to Fisher’s (funny) comment or the fact that I knew some people were gonna overreact as soon as I read the comment.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Chan's the man!!!!
Clearly the Buff Bills are trying to be worthy of Uncle Bud’s double-bird salute.
by titansfan4ever on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions
Actually....
To be fair, there were a lot more than 16 AFC QBs who played and therefore had “a chance.” So in fact Vince was the 8th best quarterback out of closer to 25 than 16—a big difference. There’s no doubt he backed in, and it is kind of ridiculous that this is the system, but there’s no need to warp the stats to make it look and more silly than it actually is. Who knows, if he’d gotten 16 games maybe he could’ve won a spot outright. I’m fairly confident our season wouldn’t have been over in December if he’d started from the beginning…
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