Titans 27 Packers 13 A Bullet Point Recap
by Jimmy on Sep 3, 2009 11:16 PM CDT
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Obviously nothing much to talk about from the first team. So we will go with a bullet point recap after the jump:
- Chris Johnson is ready to go.
- Kenny Britt needs to catch the ball that Collins threw to him.
- Justin Gage needs to catch the next ball Collins threw.
- Mark Jones made his case for making this team with a solid night returning.
- Aaron Rodgers needs to shave that nasty stache.
- Vince Young played well but still has some accuracy issues.
- It was awesome to see Jason Jones back on the field and looking healthy.
- VY needs to be more decisive when he decides to run. That stop and juke move doesn't work in the NFL.
- Craig Stevens has no idea where he is on the field ever. He also has no idea what to do when he has the ball.
- Speaking of VY's accuracy issues, took him 2 throws to get the fade to Dominique Edison right in the end zone. Edison is on the team.
- It is a shame Chris Henry is blind because he can lay the wood when he runs the ball.
- Writing this as I watch the game, Edison's second TD catch was unbelievable. That kid has some skills.
- Larry Birdine was in the backfield all night. He isn't going to make the team, but he had a good night.
- And Stevens gets a nice holding call to boot
- William Hayes also got after the QB all night.
- Mark Jones started the night hot but fizzled out as the night went on. I would say it is 50/50 on whether or not he makes the roster.
- VY is clearly the #2
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Okay Climer
3 comments on VY all tinged with negativity. Here’s to a good job, Vince. It’s fun to watch.
by Baha on Sep 3, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For Real
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by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
"WAAAAAH YOU GUYS ARE CRITICAL OF A BAD QUARTERBACK!!!!!"
Shut up. Just shut up. Everything he said is true. He does have accuracy issues. That juke move works on NOBODY on a first string defense in the NFL. And last I checked…. it did take 2 throws to get that fade to Edison. So, Jimmy wrote all true things. What more DO YOU want? That because VY had a positive game everything is all good?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd also add that while I love this site and think it has many great qualities much better than my own (like objectivity and informative)
The one place I know my blog beats MCM is in “hate” (which I prefer to view as honesty) for Vince Young. So I resent the MCM as the Exclusive Online Source for VY Hate.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would never try to take that away from you
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha thank you Jimmy. It means so much
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Job
Yeah man – just shout down anyone whonsays something you don’t agree with. That crybabu thing is time tested too…Been working for you since grade school.
No one said what was written was wrong or right. The problem raised is that what can easily be seen as a very good ge was painted in the most negative way possible.
Personally, I find it ridiculous and that is why I commented. I guess that warrants a post w/
WAHAH in your mind.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the accolades
and yes, I will shout down any dumbass VY post with a “WAAAAAAH”. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And it isn’t half as cliche as the tripe VY defenders, such as yourself, trot out every time he gets criticized.
“You’re just negative!” Wow. HOW ORIGINAL!!!! Way to back up your point.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we...
…will continue to think you are a child. So we all win really.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And we will continue to think you are a child.
Why are you picking fights?
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by gramsey712 on Sep 4, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is shutting up.
Collins has accuracy issues. VY has accuracy issues. Collins is one dimensional. Vince is two dimensional. Collins gave us the same old song and dance this pre-season. Vince is improving. That is objectivity. Vince gets critized for doing things that Collins cannot even attempt. Collins has peaked and is just trying to hang on. I agree that Vince should have scored both touchdowns in one play instead of two (like it freakin’ matters?!!). We all know where Jimmy (and you) stand on Vince. I will be very surprised in Collins hangs on this year. Last I checked positive games are good and 0-fers like Collins had are bad. Athleticism can compensate for all sorts of sins. If Vince keeps improving, he will be tough to keep off the field whether it is in Nashville or somewhere else. No cap in 2010? As thin as the QB corps is around the league, Vince’s agent is counting his money. Bud Adams knows this and that his current deal with Vince is better than what’s coming down the pipe. You think Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are intolerable now, just wait.
by Baha on Sep 5, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Athleticism can't compensate for pick 6s
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by Pinoy Titan on Sep 5, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way, dude
Go back a year or two in the archives, we defended him here for a long time.
He did do some good things, but it took him two tries on his TD run and his TD fade pass to Edison. In a real game, you won’t necessarily get away with running the EXACT SAME PLAY TWICE.
by hartley on Sep 4, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an important point
Go back and read through the posts from the first year of this blog. That was Vince’s rookie year and I was leading the VY charge.
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no hate
just reality
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by hal41605 on Sep 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
That makes sense. You were a fan once or showed support once and that obviously innoculates you against irrational hate for the rest of your life. Sure. Completely reasonable.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Much more reasonable than blindly supporting a player who hasn't done anything worth supporting in 2-3 years.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Opinion
Which none of the rest of us are required to share.
But feel free to post some more WAHAH.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So we should just all say
“VINCE YOUNG IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!HE NEVER LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!1HIS AWWWWWESOME PLAY TOTALLY MAKES HIM AN AWESEOME QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’
That’s what we’ll do from now on. So we don’t hurt your feelings.
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by gramsey712 on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Um...
no one said anything like that. So I don’t know how to answer your question.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This will be last reply to you BigTitanFan
Because this type of arguing is not fun or enjoyable to type or read, and I probably have indulged it too far already.
But to reply with “YOUR OPINION”. Come on. Of course it’s my opinion. And yours is your opinion. It’s ALL our opinion. How is that even a comeback? Did I at any point say “This is not my opinion, this is COLD HARD FACT!”
My OPINION is Vince Young, through events that are partially his fault, partially his make up that is genetic, partially the Titans organizations fault, will not ever be a successful NFL Quarterback, and the signs are everywhere. I put a lot of blame for this on the Titans as an organization. I said so on my one appearance on MCM Radio. But that doesn’t change the end result. Vince Young sucks at Quarterback. My eyes and the statsheet back this up.
The VY lovers started this internet mud slinging fight by attacking Jimmy for stating 3 TRUE FACTS about Vince Young and supposedly not looking at the “positive” when I believe his exact words were “Vince Young played well but still has some accuracy issues.”. He recognized VY played well, he also recognized that just because a player has a good game doesn’t mean you can’t identify flaws in how he played. I am tired of it. We are not required to just blindly point out VY’s great qualities when he plays well.
However, if we don’t, a certain group of Titans fans start labeling everybody “haters” (how is that any more childish than anything I did, and I recognize you specifically have not used that word, you used “hate”) and not backing their points up, except for SuperHorn. So spare me on how “childish” I am. I have made my points on VY in very methodical posts here and elsewhere MANY times. But if you don’t put any thought into your post, I’m not responding with any thought, I am going to respond with a “shout down”, which I did with my “WAAAAH” post. Wanna talk intelligently about it? Write something intelligent.
I’m out.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good Decision
As a matter of fact, he did not post facts. Items like “looked indecisive” or “struggled wit accuracy” are opinion statements. The reason for this that there is no objective standards for what is decisive or accurate and thus any commentary is neccessarily rooted in opinion. If you have a hard time differentiating between fact and opinion that would explain a lot I’d our lil conflict here.
You are wrong, in my opinion, about Vince sucking. In your opinion he does. Cool. But once you start presenting your opinion as fact and arguing on that basis it becomes a problem.
The rest of what you wrote about people labeling and what- not is either irrelevent or doesn’t apply so I won’t respond. Hope you enjoy the season
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Looked indecisive might be opinion
Struggled with accuracy is not, if you have eyes.
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
I said still has some accuracy issues. That is cut and dried.
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, There You Go Jimmy
To your eyes it was so obvious that you can write what you did as if it unquestionable. Yet it is still just your opinion (since there is no objective standard).
A number of people – myself included – don’t see it that way and maybe don’t think he showed accuracy issues at all.
It’s simply one opinion against another. Maybe if you gather enough people around you that hold the same opinion you start thinking consensus really is objective fact. I don’t know.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a VY guy
He was off target on a few throws, but on others he was on the money. For example, on one relatively simple short throw, he made the receiver go back and contort his body to grab an off-target pass, which cost the team yards after the catch. On a couple deeper throws he was right on. However, those have been the things VY has been criticized for; people have said for the last several years that he throws the deeper ball better than the short one, but the short ones are just as important in moving the chains, especially if you hit your receiver perfectly so that he can turn upfield quickly.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fact...
Accuracy is not an opinion. Accuracy is a factual measurement. In this specific case a measurement of how close a projectile (the football) is to the intended target (the receiver). If a receiver is diving , stretching, or reaching for a ball that is not intentionally thrown to make him do so to avoid coverage, it is a legitimate factual measurement of inaccuracy.
I am not saying that there were a lot of balls thrown that way, just saying accuracy is a quantifiable stat and not just an opinion.
Carry on with the argument now, I am enjoying this.
by Titan in WV on Sep 4, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accuracy is not a quantifiable stat.
Or, at least, it can’t be quantified in such a way that it can be compared against others in an objective manner.
by SuperHorn on Sep 4, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SuperHorn is right
Accuracy is not quantifiable, it is a judgement call. West Coast Offense QBs accuracy % is always ridiculously high. Teams that run well and take shots down the field when they do pass, like the Titans, have QBs with lower than league average accuracy %. Receivers affect it. I would say McNabb is a fairly inaccurate QB but he has good % numbers because they throw so many screens to Westbrook.
However, while acknowledging it isn’t quantifiable and is a judgement call, I agree with Jimmy. Vince Young is generally inaccurate as a passer.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accuracy vs Completon %
is not what I am talking about. The way you worded this I am thinking that you are considering completions as a measurment of accuracy and that was not my intent. A good receiver will make any QB have a better “accuracy” stat if you measure completions, etc. I was referring to just plain accuracy…
Two QB’s throw a ball at a tire trying to put the ball through it. One gets it through the other doesn’t. Is it an opinion to say that the QB who put the ball through the tire was more accurate, or is that a fact? If those same two QB’s throw 100 balls and one puts it through cleanly 60 times and the other 30 times can you not measure their accuracy as 60% and 30% putting the ball through the intended target?
In the NFL a good receiver will cause the “accuracy” of a QB to be artifically inflated because they will still catch passes that aren’t perfectly accurate. If a QB overthrows a ball and a receiver dives for it catching it by the stat you are using it was an accurate pass because it was completed. That isn’t what I meant. What I was saying is completed or not, the pass wasn’t accurate unless it was intended to MAKE the receiver dive.
I will admit that while true accuracy would be incredibly hard to measure without knowing the exact point a QB was aiming for as he threw, I still think it can be measured. When a QB throws a pass and hit the receivers in the hands but the reciever drops it…it was still an accurate pass. When a QB throws a ball to an open receiver that has to dive for it but still catches it… it may be complete but it was not an accurate pass.
The point isn’t a stat to which you can compare one QB against others. My point was that a person can watch a QB’s passes over the course of a game and by judging ball placement factually say “That QB is accurate” or “That QB is inaccurate in his passes” without it being an opinion.
In the end though… all this is just my opinion so I guess it is a moot point. ;-)
by Titan in WV on Sep 4, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
In some cases the QB intentionally leads the receiver or throws away from a defender, which also turns out to be away from the receiver. Also on timing patterns the fan has no way of knowing where the receiver was supposed to be. I think measuring “inaccurate” passes thrown in a game would be really really hard. There’s be a few that would be clear, but a lot of ones that would be impossible to judge one way or the other.
Aside from this logical part of the argument, as far as my overall impression of VY, I thought he looked a lot more capable in that game than I’ve seen him look in awhile, and I’m encouraged.
by numbertenox on Sep 4, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit that while true accuracy would be incredibly hard to measure without knowing the exact point a QB was aiming for as he threw, I still think it can be measured. When a QB throws a pass and hit the receivers in the hands but the reciever drops it…it was still an accurate pass. When a QB throws a ball to an open receiver that has to dive for it but still catches it… it may be complete but it was not an accurate pass.
But see, even that isn’t as obvious as it may seem. What if it is a timing pattern and the receiver is two beats off his assigned pace? Or he was jammed at the line and is now behind where he is supposed to be?
The point isn’t a stat to which you can compare one QB against others. My point was that a person can watch a QB’s passes over the course of a game and by judging ball placement factually say "That QB is accurate" or "That QB is inaccurate in his passes" without it being an opinion.
The point is indeed a stat (based on a measurable objective standard). If there isn’t such a thing then any time we watch a game and make the kinds of conclusions you are describing they are necessarily opinion as they are expressions of our own subjective perspective and analysis, not measured against an objective standard.
“Vince Young completes less than 50% of his passes” is a statement of fact (irregardless of whether or not we believe this speaks to accuracy).
“The Ruger P-90 is a pretty gun (or you could insert ‘accurate gun’).” is a statement of opinion.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 5, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
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by Jimmy on Sep 5, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous Might Be How You See It
But it’s accurate. :D Or true, if you prefer.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 5, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Titan in VW
What you wrote is correct but you came up short.
How does one measure a QB’s accuracy or lack there of? And how does one account in that measurement for the other players’ routes/hands/concentration? And even if you get that measurement, what score is required to say objectively that QB X is or is not accurate?
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 12:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
As above
I was no9t talking about an actual football stat. Just that by looking at ball placement a person can judge accuracy without it being a pure opinion.
Last night’s game for example you could watch a video of every pass thrown by VY. Whether the balls are caught or not, by looking at the ball placement you can judge accuracy and it be more than just an opinion.
I haven’t got to see the game yet, my local channels carried other teams instead. So I don’t have any clue which throws are being questioned. I have no idea how accurate or innacurate he was, but I would judge it after seeing the throws, not by completion ratings.
by Titan in WV on Sep 4, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How?
The point isn’t whether or not anyone can judge accuracy; the whole foundation of this rabbit trail is judging accuracy.
What I’m saying is there is no objective way to evaluate that accuracy and thus any judgment made is necessarily a matter of opinion.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 5, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I cannot objectively say
that a pass is off target (inaccurate) when the receiver is standing there and the ball goes over his head?
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by Jimmy on Sep 5, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you close your eyes when he throws?
Because that is the only way you can say that he didn’t show accuracy issues. The only way.
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again Jimmy
Opinion presented as fact
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
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by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry Jimmy
but, again, saying “Wow” is an expression of disbelief which is an opinion not a fact. ; )
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by Pinoy Titan on Sep 4, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember two
the first fade attempt and a short pass to britt that he had to come back for, and appeared to be an accident rather than leading away. The fact that he threw two touchdown passes and no interceptions had me a bit excited and I wasn’t focusing too hard on how much the receivers were having to reach to get them.
If he’s making better decisions, and we have some receivers that can stand a margin of error in where the ball is, then it’s all good. I don’t see a reason to look too hard for the dark clouds at this point. I’m sure they’ll show up on their own if they’re gonna.
by numbertenox on Sep 4, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
one td pass and no interceptions.
it was the know interceptions bit that i really liked ;-)
by numbertenox on Sep 4, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, T-Rac
Many Titans fans pretend they have three years worth of data to judge on, when in reality, it is only 2. I’m still mystified how many Titans fans claim that Vince “sucked” last year when he got injured and then subsequently didn’t play because the Titans kept winning.
If you want to tear him up for his Year 2 performance, that’s fine, but there’s not much to go on last year but one game (and many QB’s played bad in Week 1) and speculation on what would have transpired if he had never gotten hurt.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 4, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. He iddn't suck on the playing field last year
I am content to use 9 TDs and 17 INTs from the previous year as a proper measuring stick for his play.
What I do use from 2008 was How he handled being benched, how he has handled the loss of support from the fans, and how he has addressed the media. I feel in all 3 areas he showed a significant amount of immaturity that is not good for a position that maturity is an important factor in.
I just think he has bad judgement and an inability to read a defense. I though so his rookie year too, I just hoped that was due to him being a rookie. Yet, I think even based on his play this preseason that one can come to the conclusion that he hasn’t improved much, if at all, on being able to read a defense. Preseason defenses are absurdly basic and he still throws some atrocious passes to the other team. And if it was just the preseason, I’d let it go, but he has a habit of throwing these interceptions that are mind blowing in how awful they look.
The other problem I see affecting him in the NFL is his reliance on his legs. He doesn’t possess Michael Vick unreal mind blowing athleticism. He possesses a bit above average athleticism, which is amplified by him being a QB, a position not known for athleticism, so any player that does have some stands out. Michael Vick could’ve been Chris Johnson had he not been a QB. Vince would be, I imagine, an average pass catching Tight End had he not been a QB. So it only takes Vince a minor injury to derail his greatest strength, and in the NFL, those injuries happen every year.
So, to me, if he 1) can’t read a defense and make good decisions consistently 2) lacks a certain level of maturity necessary to play QB and 3) Is athletic, but not athletic enough to cover up these deficiencies then I feel he can’t be an effective NFL QB and as a Titans fan, I’d like to move on and find someone who isn’t 37 who can.
As we are all upset about opinion and fact, I feel it might be appropriate to add all of these represent the opinion of me and are not facts.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
You know what Rac? I wouldn’t argue with any of that. S’matter of fact (:D) I think that’s a pretty even handed critique of VY. I don’t necessarily share the same perspective but you raise solid issues. I know you aren’t going to be thrilled or anything but: well said.
by BigTitanFan on Sep 4, 2009 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree mightily with this
He doesn’t possess Michael Vick unreal mind blowing athleticism. He possesses a bit above average athleticism, which is amplified by him being a QB, a position not known for athleticism, so any player that does have some stands out. Michael Vick could’ve been Chris Johnson had he not been a QB. Vince would be, I imagine, an average pass catching Tight End had he not been a QB. So it only takes Vince a minor injury to derail his greatest strength, and in the NFL, those injuries happen every year.
I can understand why you feel this way because Vince runs very deceptively, but make no mistake, VY is an elite athlete. It just looks like he takes a stroll in the park and whoops, he traveled 20 yards. His smooth, long-striding running style makes a lot of people misjudge his athleticism.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 4, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No that's not why I said it
I said it because it gets run down by linemen and linebackers plenty of times where Michael Vick and others with elite athleticism never get run down. I said it because he had an average 40 yard dash time for someone considered an elite athlete. Please don’t assume why I have my opinion. I didn’t base it on just “Well he looks like he isn’t running too fast there. Probably has nothing to do with how long his stride is.” He doesn’t possess elite athleticism. I disagree completely.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 5, 2009 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I think you're fishing for criticisms for Vince
Even his harshest critics will grant his athleticism (even BBS will do so). Furthermore, you need to watch some more: After all, Vick went backwards the last preseason game and then got dropped for a huge loss. Just because you’re an elite athlete doesn’t mean you don’t get caught. Happens to everyone.
I also don’t know what you’re looking at. When has Vince gotten “run down” by lineman? He’ll get sacked and he’ll get caught. On a dead run, lineman aren’t going to catch Vince from behind.
A little too much reliance on forty times, don’t you think? Rice had a 4.6 forty time. Chris Henry had a very good one. There are a ton of criticisms of forty times that I won’t go into here, but suffice it to say, a lot of people point out the silliness of timing that thing without pads. The way Vince runs, his 4.5 pretty stays that way with pads on.
I wasn’t making an assumption: I was making a conclusion. You are free to disagree, but in my mind, people who think VY is not an impressive athlete are A) Fishing for criticisms or B) Deceived by his running style, as so many defenders are.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 5, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is irrational about critiquing a guy who is not playing well?
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by gramsey712 on Sep 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise
Why overly critical of a guy who is playing well? If Collins had been 7 of 12 with a TD and a rushing TD, this board would gloss over anything like accuracy or hesitancy. But for Vince, nothing less than perfection is all that will satisfy some here.
by Baha on Sep 5, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More bullet points
- VY, IMO, looks decisive the last two games. He is a good backup.
- I want Kerry Collins to get some playing time with Edison. I see the potential something great here.
- Chris Johnson 2010 stats > 2,000 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, 20 touchdowns
- Larry Birdine made a lot of good plays not to make the team. I think the Titans will keep him.
- Mark Jones has just secured the returner spot.
- BJ Raji is a huge nasty guy. He reminds me of the evil clown in Spawn.
- Fisher stache >>>>>>>> Rodgers stache
- The Titans have no reliable depth in the secondary. Maybe Mouton.
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by Pinoy Titan on Sep 3, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just for starters:
You wrote: “Kenny Britt needs to catch the ball that Collins threw to him.
Justin Gage needs to catch the next ball Collins threw.”
Come on. PLEASE!!! I am so sick of bloggers/“writers”/opinionated sports know it alls who don’t have a clue about even the basics of writing. If you’re going to represent yourself as a writer, please at least pay attention to what you write. “needs to” is present tense and “threw” is past tense. Combining both tenses in one sentence is not only bad grammar, it demonstrates a basic ignorance of the English language, of grammar in general and of the rules of writing. And it brings into question your right to represent yourself as a writer . If you’re going to put yourself out there as a writer, please take some pride in what you do and educate yourself. IGNORANCE IS IGNORANCE, no matter how important you think your opinion is. At least take some time to learn the basics. The (sports) world will be a better place.
by banjo111 on Sep 4, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It never occured to you that, maybe, Jimmy doesn't care about that when he's writing a brief, bulleted summary?
By the way:
know it alls
Know-it-alls.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 4, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Hell!
I mean, look, we all like grammar at this site. Probably a lot more than most to tell you the truth. But I don’t think anybody here—and this includes Jimmy, who has already had a byline in the New York Times—considers themselves an actual, professional writer.
Jimmy’s writing was clear and concise. In the blogosphere, that easily trumps all other considerations.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Sep 4, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should....
…remember this is a place for sports not education.
I read his comments as a witty way of saying “Going forward he needs to catch any passes similar to that one.” Not literally as ‘that ball he threw’ but as a quick way of saying a pass that accurate. I also agree with the sentiment.
This community is a great place for Titans fans to get together and share opinions. Disagreements and a little good natured trash talking is great… when it is about the sport. Nobody likes a stuck up asshole who has to correct everyone for their grammar, which dosn’t even matter on a sports blog since we are here for the community not the literary value of a bloggers writing.
And for everyone else… sorry I haven’t been around in a while. I have still been reading every day but haven’t had time to post. I couldn’t resist on this one though.
by Titan in WV on Sep 4, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there.
I’M the grammar police!
by Aditya T (smashville) on Sep 4, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win, Gramsey. Just a plain win.
Rec’d
T-Rac's Posse - T-Rac is one boss raccoon.
My personal Tribute to Air McNair
by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you suck at the internet
go away
ridiculous fools critiquing grammar…jeebus
justin or kenny, is that you?
by guilded on Sep 4, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad it’s the Last pre-season game.
I’m ready for the Regular season to start.!!!!
Go Titans Go !!!!
by Phillip_Riggins on Sep 4, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Good, The Bad...The Ugly.
The Good.
Vince Young. Wow. I thought it was 2006 all over again. Vince put up a great performance going 7/12 for 85 yards and a beautiful TD pass. He also ran 5 times for 38 yards, including a 23 yard scamper. He also scored with a 6 yard TD run. From what I saw, he learned from his mistakes. He tried to run it in, hesitated and got walloped. The next play, no hesitation and he took off for a TD. Another example, he threw a pass to Edison in the endzone, the pass was bad and Edison couldn’t get it. Next play, same play. This time, Vince throws a perfect pass which Edison catches in the corner of the endzone.
Dominique Edison is a beast. Where did this kid come from? He finished 5 catches for 90 yards and 2 TDs. His first TD coming from a 8 yard pass from Vince Young where he caught it in the corner of the endzone. His second TD was a thing of beauty. Ramsey threw it to his outside shoulder, Edison adjusted to it in mid air doing a full 360 catching it with him landing in the endzone.
Mark Jones. After a terrible performance last week from shaking off the rust he came out firing. He returned his first kick 44 yards and his first punt for 21 yards. I believe we found our returner.
Our running game is back. Chris Johnson finished with 3 rushes for 23 yards. Having rushed for 13 yards, -1 yards, and finishing with a 11 yard run. Chris Henry looked good as he fought to remain with the team, if he does get cut, someone will pick him up.
We didn’t turn over the ball and we forced the Packers to turn the ball over twice.
Someone also mentioned that we forced the 1st team Packers offense to punt for the first time and held them scoreless for the first time all through preseason.
We got pressure on the quarterback all night, and Jason Jones returning from a injury had two tackles for losses. William Hayes also had 2 sacks. We also held Green Bay to only 87 yards rushing.
The Bad.
Kerry Collins and the first team receivers. Collins hit our receivers in the hands twice and both times they were dropped. Then he threw a pass to Gage with three defenders around him in which I call the triangle of doom. Luckily, it wasn’t picked or Gage didn’t get killed.
The Ugly.
Our 2nd string secondary.
by Sean S on Sep 4, 2009 1:58 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Nice writeup
Rec’d- agree pretty much 100% with everything said here. It’s absolutely MADDENING to watch a receiver get hit IN THE HANDS and drop the ball, knowing that they can make unbelievable spectacular behind-the-back-over-the-shoulder-4-guys-around-them-gonna-get-creamed-in-half-a-second catches.
IF IT HITS YOU IN THE HANDS, YOU HAVE TO CATCH IT!
by TNTitans on Sep 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comments, i have not seen the game yet. I have my dvr set
to record it from NFL network. My 6th grader and his team had a scrimmage last night against the 5th graders. Sounds like the Titans dominated, lets hope that happens against the Steelers. Pre season is so fickle, I don’t trust the results because no team is going to show their best stuff.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Sep 4, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Jones comments, I forgot to add my thoughts regarding him.
I am shocked that he had a solid night after the terrible performance last week. He couldn’t juke anyone then, now it sounds like he was unstoppable.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Sep 4, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things
First, all the things I said about Vince are true. I am not HATTEN. He has played much better this preseason than he did last.
Second, I am a blogger not a writer. I haven’t not once never called myself no writer (Quadruple negative. Boom…..Roasted). This post wass nothing more than thoughts that popped into my head while I watched the game. Also, if you are going to come on here and kill my grammar, you might want to make sure you capitalize the first word of every sentence. Just sayin..
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
by Jimmy on Sep 4, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
When grammar is all they can knock you on, you’re doing pretty good.
by Rustmeister on Sep 4, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty well
WHEN WILL THE INTERNET STOP MURDERING GRAMMAR!!!! THIS IS A TRAVESTY!!!! I YEARN FOR THE DAYS THOREAU!!! WHAT WOULD SHAKESPEARE THINK!!!!!
Just kidding.
T-Rac's Posse - T-Rac is one boss raccoon.
My personal Tribute to Air McNair
by T--Rac's Posse on Sep 4, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever used "yearn" in a sentence in a conversation on the internet?
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Sep 4, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used the word "diaphonous" in a sentence yesterday.
Felt all special afterwards. Did a little happy dance and everything.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Sep 4, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it like "us'ns, we'ns and yearn's"?
Overheard:
*Us’ns’r goin to the dairy queen- yearn’s in?
*Naw, man- we’ns’r goin to sonic.
by TNTitans on Sep 4, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You makin fun of my friends?
Cause that is WV speak unless I am badly mistaken. I was at my son’s little league practice yesterday and the coach actually yelled at them “Yall pay attention or you’ins gonna run laps!”
I had to hang my head in shame. You can’t argue with the stereotypes when they are mostly true.
by Titan in WV on Sep 4, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look what happens wher there's a post about Vince...
the amount of comments shoots up
by Aditya T (smashville) on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's why he gets so much pub
Not just here either. It’s like that all over. Good or bad, Vince is good for traffic. Wanna get your clicks up? Say something negative about Vince. Wanna get your clicks up? Say something positive about Vince. Either way the clones will be banging the boards! He has provided so much material so quickly: The NC, the Wonderlich, the draft, the rookie season, madden, the tequila straight from the bottle, the meltdown, the outrageous interviews,and the comeback trail. It also helps that there are about a million Texans that just won’t give up on him.
by Baha on Sep 4, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the most part because....
you have opposing sides about VY. theres the ones that wont give him the time of day and just want him gone and others that see the potential that he can grow into a legitimate QB in this league, and not just because of what he did at texas (although he was almost unstoppable). ppl are so quick to critique anything about VY, especially his game last night, the man played as well as you could. yes not perfect, ill agree had some accuracy issues, but to say that KC did not? c’mon now. but thats just the way it is, ppl are so high on KC they want to just forgive all of his mistakes (pass to britt-inaccurate, pass to gage-inaccurate). just like on VY’s endzone pass, it was perfect to the back corner, but ppl dont look at that, they need something negative to say like “but it took him twice”….WGAF, how bout the points that are on the board at the end of the drive? and idecisiveness? his scrambling has gone nothing but uphill in the past few weeks, its hard to call it indecisive when hes moving the chains and making ppl miss in the process. VY is on the right track whether you like it or not, i want KC as our starting QB too, but he wont be here for long and its only takes a small shift for his game to start going downward, and whoever posted about VY only technically playing 2 years of actually game play to go based on…kudos.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
by kg_2005 on Sep 5, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wows
this thread are funs.
"I finished the game. In my mind, if I finished the game, I can play next week." - Steve McNair RIP
by Pinoy Titan on Sep 4, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cant we all get along?
The kids r crying……happy.
by zero defects on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
cant we all get along?
The kids r crying……happy.
by zero defects on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I fixin supper the yunguns are hungry.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Sep 4, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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