Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Flip Out Edition
by August West on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 AM CDT
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Coach Fisher sounds like a man who knows what he wants to hear from the league when it starts handing out fines and suspensions related to the mob scene on the Texans bench:
"The coaches tape does not show a punch thrown. I’ve looked at the TV tape and I could not see a punch thrown. Andre Johnson jerked Cortland down by the facemask on their boundary and that started the fracas in the bench area," Fisher said. "I didn’t see the punch thrown, but again, they’re not going to eject a player without being fairly sure it was thrown."
Fisher wants the competition committee, which he co-chairs, to take a good long look at the fair catch rules that led to Sunday's idiotic situation. Even if it's the way the rule is written, it just doesn't follow the baseline logic that most NFL rules do and could be better applied.
Mike Florio and I finally agree on something: There's no way you can allow Jacoby Jones' touchdown catch in the wake of the ruling and explanation given to Raiders fans on Louis Murphy's non-touchdown in the Raiders/Chargers game.
Follow us through the jump to see which Titans vet is already out for next week...
Craig Hentrich is going to miss Sunday's game, and rookie A.J. Trapasso is in town for a work-out along with other available punters. Sucks for these guys that their first good crack at our line-up will happen in the windy Meadowlands.
Sure, the Jets defense hasn't allowed a touchdown yet. But, they also haven't faced a team that can run the ball whenever it wants yet either. We'll see how they hold up against a balanced attack this Sunday.
All of this whining and finger-pointing will not stand, man. This un-checked complaining will not stand!
Turmoil in Tennessee? I'd say it's not there yet, but it damned sure could be very soon.
Why don't I buy into the 13% playoff chance talk? Not many 0-2 teams return 20 of 22 starters from a roster that went 13-3 the year before.
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Did anybody else see what I saw last night?
That being, a disturbing preview of what the Titans-Colts games might look like if our secondary play does not improve,
Yes, our run game is better (and faster) than Miami’s, but our secondary might be worse right now.
by hartley on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
Jets and Jags stand between us and .500 (plus, .500 in the AFC).
A head-to-head win against the Jets looks likely to go a long way in late-season tiebreaker scenarios – or at least it does so far.
10-4 the rest of the way starts with wins at NY and over Blackoutville.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 22, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Mike Florio and I finally agree on something"
Who are you and what have you done with ADub?
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by gramsey712 on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic:
http://tennessean.com/article/20090922/SPORTS01/909220360/1027
“Mouton’s problems: The Titans did not want Ryan Mouton to field a third quarter punt so close to the end zone, but Fisher said inexperience caused the rookie to do so.
Mouton muffed the punt at the Tennessee 5 but recovered. Rookie Javon Ringer said he muffed a kickoff because of body positioning.
“They’re not where we want to be, but they’re both improving. Ryan needs to make better decisions. They both flashed (potential),” Fisher said. “In the kickoff return game, if they get better help from their support teammates, the blockers, there are some lanes there. … And Ryan showed some run skills. He just has to settle down and get more confident with his decisions.”
Fisher stopped short of saying the rookies had the jobs locked up: “If there’s somebody out there that is better and we feel like it’s a move we need to make, we’ll make it.”
Doesn’t give me confidence that help is on the way anytime soon in the return game. Looks like we’re surrendering the field position game this year.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"If there’s somebody out there that is better and we feel like it’s a move we need to make, we’ll make it."
So who is out there that is better? I am very interested in your talent evaluation because you have been right on point so far.
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by gramsey712 on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, right now...
I think anyone who could make a fair catch on every punt might be an upgrade.
But There’s Figurs, Miller, Jones……………
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 22, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"right on point"
So which one of those points have I been so wrong on?
The return games?
Nate Washington?
Kerry Collins?
Harper?
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 22, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of em.
I still have faith in the coaching staff that if they really thought one of those guys (who no one else thinks is any good either) would upgrade our return game, they would go get him.
What is your problem with Nate Washington?
And you lose any shred of credibility you have when you actually use finger energy to type that we should play Vince Young.
And I will not give up on Nick Harper until I see a game like Sunday where the other 3 DBs play awesome and Harper continues to suck. They all sucked on Sunday. Including Finnegan.
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by gramsey712 on Sep 22, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point on Washington was
that we couldn’t assume Pittsburgh’s #3 WR was going to be a major contributor in Tennessee. I had hoped we would go for a receiver with a track record, who could step-in and be our #1 WR. Time will tell. Right now, I am a fan of his speed, and hope to see it when he’s at full strength.
My point on Harper was that we should not have ignored the starting #2 CB spot this offseason because his matchups were going to be unbearable this year, and he isn’t getting any younger. Regardless of how anyone else has played (exhoneration by association), Harper has been bad. His struggling, unlike the rest of the secondary, was forseeable.
Collins is a difficult argument because some folks would suffer anything to avoid seeing VY take a snap again. The threshold of expectation by Collins defenders is so ridiculously low that it is almost impossible to convince his people he’s been bad. I am now thoroughly convinced that there is no performance of which even the greatest of imaginations could conceive which would compel Collins’ defenders to admit his performance is harming the team. But frankly, he has been bad; and he pretty much cost the team the game at the end of regulation on Sunday.
The return game speaks for itself. There are options available; it is not for lack of alternatives that we suffer. My suspicion is that salary is the issue (also the issue with keeping Henry), and that the purse strings are tighter on Fisher and company than anyone is publicly letting-on. I suspect they were given a very low salary ceiling for 2009, and that even a short-term contract for a returner surpasses that threshold. I have absolutely nothing other than my suspicion to base this on, however, and years and years of experience following a Bud Adams team.
Frankly, I’d just like to see how much better this team would be with a professional return man, and the better starting field position as such. The other issues can’t be as easily remedied at this point.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The more I read about this stuff and listen to the press conf the more PISSED off I become. Our game was SWAGERJACKED!
WTH is happening to the officiating in these games?
by studiocat on Sep 22, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame the refs.
We’re not like that
by smashville on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoping for the best
after the last three losses, as a fan, it is really frustrating. first loss was a playoff game we should’ve won. second loss was a game that got away. third loss was a combination of the first two losses.
is it Cecil’s fault? now that I had the time to think about it, i don’t think so. Is he partly to blame for it? Yes he is. Does he deserve to get sacked? After two games, no. Not even after three games.
I believe the secondary will bounce back next week with a good performance. They just have too much pride not to raise their game to the next level. If we can have the same defensive effort we showed majority of the Steelers game, we will win next week.
"I finished the game. In my mind, if I finished the game, I can play next week." - Steve McNair RIP
by Pinoy Titan on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my tv barely survived the jacoby jones play
it’s one thing to miss a play at full speed and then not have a good angle to overturn it, but to miss a call because you plainly are not following the rules in regards to indisputable video evidence is flat out unacceptable. take that play away and it’s 3-10 on our 29 and we have a great chance to escape kerry’s pick with a FG at worst. instead it’s tied at 21.
the refs are certainly not to blame for this loss. repeat. the titans have no one to blame but themselves. that was the second quarter and the titans should have won anyway, but Walt Coleman should be penalized in some way for such a terrible call. you just can’t give away tds like that when there has been such an emphasis on holding the ball all the way through a tackle when going to ground.
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by hal41605 on Sep 22, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, and I hate blaming a game on the refs
In this case, I am willing to make an exception in light of all the rules and how they have been used this year. We also gave the game away with poor secondary play and a retarded fumble by K.C. at the end, but the refs do need to be consistent and accountable just as a qb or a cornerbackor any other position needs to be. SO we are 0 and 2 and it hurts, I don’t think it is possible to lose to the jets after all of this.
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by Joy kat on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a little consistency would be nice...
get one right and one wrong and they both hurt us bad.
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by stetix01 on Sep 22, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much can you buy into the 13%
i mean, how many of those teams that started 0-2 would’ve have lost to any team they played regardless, because the were bad. That might skew the stats. We, on the other hand, have lost to the defending champions, a division foe with something to prove, and we lost by a combined score of 6 points.
by jayosanne on Sep 22, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here here
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by August West on Sep 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In principle, I agree with you
But remember:
A loss is a loss. There are no “moral victories” in football. I could easily turn it around on you and say that we lost to a Steelers team that we PUMMELED 31-14 at the end of the regular season and to a Texans team that we scored EXACTLY the same number of points on and yet only allowed 12 last season.
Shoulda woulda coulda: again, recall that I said that I AGREE with your thought process, but let’s call it what it is. We lost. By 1 or by 1000, we lost.
No 0-2 team deserves any respect in the media, and while we certainly never really got any before, we sure as hell won’t be getting any at 0-2.
by TNTitans on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no moral victories
but not all losses are the same in the first few weeks.
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by August West on Sep 22, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
there’s a big difference in having 2 losses by a total of 6 and having 2 losses by a total of 20 or 30. not in the standings, but looking forward and thinking about the rest of the season. i’d much rather be a couple plays here or there from 1-1 or even 2-0 than nowhere close to a win.
we are not the browns or the rams or the bucs. we still have plenty of opportunity over the next 14 games to turn things around and make the playoffs. we knew the first 6 games would be brutal, and that 3-3 even would be pretty respectable. we are not that far from winning games, and i have confidence that fisher will get things going in the right direction.
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by hal41605 on Sep 22, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here we must disagree
The only thing that matters is the standings.
They don’t hand out Super Bowl consolation prizes to teams that almost got a win if not for a couple of missed field goals, or a few huge mistakes on defense.
Look, I agree: are we in a bad spot? I don’t think so- plenty of football left, plenty of time to improve.
But being “not that far from winning games” and ACTUALLY WINNING GAMES are not the same thing, not by a hundred miles.
by TNTitans on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"But being "not that far from winning games" and ACTUALLY WINNING GAMES are not the same thing"
Genius.
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by gramsey712 on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
the only thing that matters is the standings AT THE END OF THE SEASON. no one goes to the playoffs after 2 games and no one’s season ends after 2 games.
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by hal41605 on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point is
you can’t right them off at 0-2. Our games are close, and while it’s a loss, I think that we can get these close games to swing our way. It’s not like we’re getting blown out, and we’re completely hopeless.
by jayosanne on Sep 22, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
We have work to do, but it can be done.
by TNTitans on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right, we did not get demolished. We had a chance of winning
both games and probably should have. Even if they had, I would be real concerned going forward with the defensive situation as it stands.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Sep 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not blaming.....
just wanted an op[opportunity to use…..
SWAGERJACKED!!
=o)
by studiocat on Sep 22, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
actually i liked the fight. atleast it shows some emotion and some fire in these guys
i say take the frustration out on the jets big time. swaggerjack them bastards. i hate every jet player and fan that has ever walked the face of the earth! just kidding but they need that kind of mentality going into this one. nomore bullshit mistakes. nomore excuses. just go kick some ass and ill be happy. then i can like the jets fans and players again. i hope shanchez breaks his arm. i hope the coach rex has a heart attack. i dont care i just want a win.
by dentureboy on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
extra wood to the fire?
i doubt the titans have forgotten who gave them their first loss last year, albeit not the same QB to seek the revenge against, but a rookie will do just fine.
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by kg_2005 on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"All of this whining and finger-pointing will not stand, man. This un-checked complaining will not stand!"
gotta love the Dude reference, thanks August
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by CJ4MVP on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The VY debate on this blog has jumped the shark.
Lose two games and this site has devolved into a bunch of name-calling teenagers. Sad.
by ctex80 on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jumped the shark?
It’s just getting started again. It happens with the style Fisher plays. Defense and kicking game. When those misfire, a game-management offense will get caught up in the debate as well. It’s what happens when you play not-to-lose football.
by Baha on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing happened to VY
He played two bad games then got hurt and lost his job so I dont care what happen to KC! The way I see it is that you need to have your future QB in and thats VY!
by datboybevans on Sep 22, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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