Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Baby Steps, Big Boy Checks Edition
Kerry Collins struggled mightily Saturday night, but I would advise against reading to much into that just as I'd advise against arguing that VY is ready to take over after a meager sample size. The real difference between the two players is that Kerry is experienced enough to learn from that game and settle back into his game management role like we need him to. The only way Kerry gets in trouble with this team is if he starts thinking he can make every throw and starts to gamble; that could be disastrous for this squad.
Vince Young's solid performance Saturday most likely earned him some extended reps with the first unit next week against Dallas. Vince looked more comfortable and confident against the Bucs than we've seen from him at the NFL level, and it's very encouraging. Next week his goal should be to maintain that mindset while still preparing as hard as possible. That will be key if he wants to experience some consistent success in the NFL, rather than wild fluctuations from week to week.
With every week of training camp and preseason contest, this year's rookie class is looking like one of the deepest and most talented we've seen in a good while. These guys were brought in to play specific roles, and that's just what they're doing right away.
Follow is through the jump to discover what we should all be a little more worried about than we are...
Kenny Britt made his debut Saturday like a boss, ending up with 5 catches for 89 yards. He did limp of the field with an injury though, and we should be hearing something today on the status of his ankle. i promised myself I wouldn't freak out about the injuries that keep creeping up with Britt just yet, so I'm staying focused on the excellent production and potential we all saw Saturday.
Should we be more worried about the mounting injuries to starters (Stephen Tulloch, Jason Jones and David Stewart) and key reserves (Jacob Ford, Colin Allred, maybe even Kenny Britt now) so early in the year? These aren't insurmountable, and all are expected back pretty soon, but adding just one or two more key names to that list could spell trouble through the tough early stretch of the schedule.
Paul K has notes from Saturday night's game, and plenty of thoughts on the Titans' youngsters.
Sure as heck sounds like Bud Adams took notice of VY's play Saturday, but I wish he'd not be quite so quick to start praising a guy whose career so far has been marked by wild ups and downs.
Javon Ringer really made a mark on the staff with his 51 yards on 7 rushes and a TD last weekend. Given how crowded the backfield is, that's an important step for the young man.
Ken Amato originally joined the Titans in 2003 as a linebacker at very bottom of the depth chart, but now a days he's secured himself a pretty solid career as a respected long snapper and emergency LB.
The distinction between DE and DT is becoming increasingly blurred on the Titans' D-line unit, writes Gary Estwick.
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Something worth pointing out. The defender made a mistake leaving his man on the TD play. But, it’s important to remember that the only reason he leaves his defender is because of Vince’s threat to run. Only a handful of guys command that sort of attention. His threat of running made the passing game easier. Put simply that’s, “who we drafted him to be.”
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also important to remember
that defender won’t be playing in the regular season. Just sayin..
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stirrin the pot.....
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by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea about collins
i have to disagree that he struggled really at all, okay he made one bad throw…and the other int the guy made a freak play happen, he still had a few good throws, and nate washington dropped an effin touchdown, but nobody seem to want to acknowledge that. And even on that sack, so what, so even with all of that you’re going to say he struggled mightily? To me that’s a bit of a reach. To Young now, i’m happy for the guy, he looked solid against 2nd stringers. But of course people will read too much into it, and say the guys back and is going to take over the starting job, until he gets sacked by Demarcus Ware, fumbles and the Cowboys recover for a touchdown.
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by collinzoober5 on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's more...
of ware being a good player than VY being a “bad” one as most have tagged him. because im sure there have been numerous players that ware has made that happen to than just VY, if it has ever, because i don’t recall. you’re right, ppl do read too much into things, your a symbol of your own writings.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh...
Collins played badly in the preseason last year, too, and for that matter, he was DREADFUL in the first quarter all last season. If anything, I’d chalk this week’s performance up to that—and lack of scheme—more than anything else.
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by DannoE on Aug 17, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Britt
is gonna be alright. I read that he got his foot stepped on and he twisted his ankle a bit but he said he wasn’t going to miss any practice over it.
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by SoCalTitan on Aug 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fisher said in yesterday's
press conference that Britt didn’t come in for treatment on Sunday. That means he isn’t expected to miss practice time.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not saying VY should be the starter....
and we rip up KC’s contract, but at least there is some progress being made and it looks like he is putting what he has learned from dinger to use. its funny how ppl dont tear KC a new one when he throws a bad pass that should have never been thrown into double coverage, under thrown at that, then when VY does it. im not reading into the preseason to heavily, but i expect a little better decision making coming from him. and yes that DB will not be playing in the reg season, but starting DB’s will still show the same respect. i think a little more credit is deserved, he not only froze the safety but the 2 defenders closest to him also. waiting to see what he can do in the dallas game.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm...
its funny how ppl dont tear KC a new one when he throws a bad pass that should have never been thrown into double coverage, under thrown at that, then when VY does it.
That’s because Kerry Collins is a proven commodity. He doesn’t have anything to gain or lose in this preseason. Vince, on the other hand, has to show some consistency over an extended period before he’s going to get a pass on bad plays.
and yes that DB will not be playing in the reg season, but starting DB’s will still show the same respect.
They didn’t in 2007, and VY’s play suffered because of it…
I liked what I saw from Vince this week, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what your saying is...
just because of seniority, KC can throw up any BS he wants. that, in itself is BS, no matter who the QB is he should have made a play that actually had a chance of succeeding. yes it happened in 2007, because of what happened in 2006 defenses were forced to adjust, now its time for VY to adjust to how D’s are going to defend him. which will be a part of his progress, and as soon as that happens i hope DB’s dont bite on his run fake, i think it will be very costly for them. i also think bud adams may be on the same page as i am. lol. and what proven commodities would you be referring to?
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not because of seniority
because when you look at VY’s 2007 numbers and KC’s 2008 numbers, the only people that think VY should be on the field see life with a burnt orange shade.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt know....
bud adams was that big of a texas fan.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a big fan of Houston guys
and he was the one who sent down the order to draft VY.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just going based on...
some of the few of his many accomplishments(drafting air mcnair, still having fish as head coach(thankfully)), thats what makes him the man. if the owner of the organization has some confidence in VY, that’s enough for me.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So tired of this tired argument.
You act as though nothing else changed about the lineup from ‘07 to ’08. Hell, I’m a Vince homer, but at least I admit it. There are plenty of honest arguments to be made against Vince, why don’t you just stick to those. Thanks.
by ctex80 on Aug 17, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
old argument is old
definitely. keeps coming up in threads, though – folks just won’t let it die. Maybe we could create a VY / Kerry page on MCM and all posts regarding that debate must go there, for folks who want to read them. If only we had grabbed Vick, then maybe the endless VY KC thread sagas would go away for awhile.
I am in neither camp. I’d love to see VY be a phenom again. I’d love to see Kerry get back to a superbowl and win it this time.
But Kerry is in the cat bird seat right now big time, and he’s staying there unless something dramatic happens. Major slump on his part or significant injury would probably would be the only catalysts to get VY in there this year. I do not have a lot of confidence in VY at this point. But, I sure as heck hope to see him get his mojo back.
by numbertenox on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Kerry threw up 2 INTs and no TDs every outing this preseason then maybe he'd get questioned
but last week it was him looking like the smooth champ and VY looking terrible. The difference is Kerry has a history of success in this league and knows what Dinger wants from a QB, while VY has a lot of work to do.
So, yes, Kerry could have walked up to a Bucs defender, handed them the ball, then turn around and start blocking out our guys and he’d still be my pick as our starter. Why? Because I’m interested in winning while this team has a shot at a Super Bowl.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking about Kerry Collins, or Kurt Warner here?
The difference is Kerry has a history of success in this league
A history of success? The guy can’t hold a starting job. He has a losing record as a starter. I’m not trying to pick on the guy. He’s been serviceable. No one’s ever looked to build a team around him, though, and he certainly won’t be in the discussion to get into Canton.
Kerry filled a need for the Titans last year. We were so dominant on defense and running the ball that we just needed a guy that would minimize mistakes. It’d be ignorant to think that he wasn’t a part of the Titans success last year. But, the same can be said for his defenders. Remove Kerry from last years squad and plug in Vince, you still win at least 10 games.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Remove Kerry from last years squad and plug in Vince, you still win at least 10 games."
I’m not buying that for a second.
I never said he was a HOFer, but he has led a team to the Super Bowl and another right to the cusp.
The guy can’t hold a starting job.
He’s held starting jobs longer than Vince did… just sayin’…
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't you buy that?
We won 10 games in 2007, and we added Chris Johnson.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was before VY imploded
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on, now you just want to....
hear youself be right and you’ll say anything to try and make that a reality. your comparing 15 years to Young whos going into his 4th, and must i remind you that it wasnt too long ago that VY took that starting title from KC. yes bud adams threw in his 2 cents, why, because we werent winning!
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAIL
See below where I covered why Kerry lost his job then. I agreed with that call and I still want to see VY succeed, but Saturday night was the first non-nausea inducing performance I’ve seen Vince put up in a year. Forgive me for still being skeptical.
If you think I’m arguing with blinders on it’s because they’re Titans blinders, not VY blinders.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you....
really want to reminisce about Collins in the super bowl?
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he got there
and it wasn’t on the back of that defense. That Baltimore defense destroyed almost as many QBs as we did that year.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he got there....
but didnt show up…..just sayin.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Didn’t show up? Why don’t you go look up his stat line from the Baltimore game before you say dumb stuff.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are talking about the Giants/Ratbird Super Bowl Tuna
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by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least....
somebodys paying attention. because i was about to say, what do you want me to look up? barely 100 yrds passing and 4 completions…to the other team!
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It becomes tough
to pay attention to the same argument the 3,000th time.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Concur.
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by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both of you....
should try having a larger capacity and keep up.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have "kept up"
for a year now. You VY people don’t ever change what you say.
Change the offense for him….
He didn’t quit….
He got them in the playoffs…
It gets tired after a while.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually....
that convo was about KC that you missed, not VY. and it was about his horrendous outing at the Super Bowl. are you caught up now?
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this
the Billie Jean vs. Thriller discussion? Thriller, you knuckleheads. Thriller.
by numbertenox on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy talk.
Everyone knows that Billie Jean in the better song.
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by DannoE on Aug 18, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Billie Jean was good as well
But the only time I ever heard Thriller was on an old transistor radio.
Maybe if I had heard it on surround sound in full stereo I would think differently…..
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by gramsey712 on Aug 18, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Look, I’m not calling for Vince to start. He had a good Preseason game. Nothing more, nothing less.
But…
That’s because Kerry Collins is a proven commodity.
Proven commodity of what? He has had exactly one season starting for the Titans where the only thing he proved, IMO, was that he was excellent at limiting turnovers. The second that ability goes away, his utility is gone.
Football is a what have you done for me lately sport. I get that. But, it was only a few years ago that Kerry played so poorly that he as benched for Vince. I hope he repeats his success from last year, but his INT % of 1.7 was an anomaly and roughly half of what his career average. His performance last year was inconsistent with the rest of his time in the NFL.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't coming after you Superhorn. I get where you're coming from
but:
it was only a few years ago that Kerry played so poorly that he as benched for Vince.
Yeah because he had 2 weeks to learn the playbook on a pretty bad offense with a subpar O-coordinator. I was laughing at Kerry all through that year, but he was a completely different QB once he had time to settle in.
We do agree though, that if Kerry starts turning the ball over a ton in the regular season then he’s useless to us.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The picks only bother me
Because his strength is supposed to be preventing turnovers. SO what does he do? He throws two picks and takes a huge sack. I understand it’s preseason, but it’s still worrying.
by theologic on Aug 17, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's just sowing his wild passes
in the pre-season.
Relax guys. I dunno whaz gonna happen. You’ze don’ no whaz gonna happen. Will we get Evil Kerry and Saintly Holy Cow Batman Vince? Craaaazy Nutjob Boohooing Vince and Solid Dependable Kerry? Dunno! Stay tuned! Pop your corn!
by numbertenox on Aug 17, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
If we can call last week’s game from VY a turd, then this week’s from KC was also a turd. And he went through a rough patch last season, too, when I think we were all a little concerned about what was gonna happen next. Honestly, if Vince had come in and played lights out during the Indy game, there would probably be a lot more controversy. But VY was dreadful there, and so I think most of us felt like, like it or not, KC is the team’s best chance.
Everyone wants to see Vince become a star and lead the Titans to greatness. No one is really arguing that KC is a “great” QB. But he is mostly effective when he needs to be, and in the absence of consistency from VY, consistency from KC is pretty much the best we can ask for right now.
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by DannoE on Aug 17, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We can't judge the players on one game
everyone has their ups and downs its the overall play of this year, I really hope VY does well and would like to see him play like he did his rookie year but, right now he needs to sit behind Collins to learn even is Collins throw INTs Vince can learn from those mistakes.
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by SouthTexasTitan on Aug 17, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wait wait wait
so you’re talking about collins only good thing is limiting mistakes?? Why were able to move the ball on the steelers last year? Oh that’s right! Kerry Collins finding his tight ends and receivers down the field for healthy completions and first downs, as well as that td to gage. Why were we even in that game against Baltimore? Oh Kerry Collins threw for nearly 300 yards, and with a solid effort by our defense, we really should have won? Please wake up, i know you want Vince to succeed but this team is miles better with Collins behind center, not to mention he on his own won at least 5 games last year.
You're not wrong walter, you're just an asshole.
by collinzoober5 on Aug 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes KC did well vs. Bal......
but CJ was having a monster of a game up until he injured his ankle, THAT was a big part of opening things up for KC.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wha?
Baltimore never adjusted to CJ because CJ was out of it too quickly. Kerry did everything a QB can do against that defense. The only reason we were 10-14 points shorter than we should have been were boneheaded fumbles by LenDale and Alge after Kerry drove downfield.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good god
are we really justifying kerry’s performance against baltimore again?
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you both on this one.
Kerry played well against Baltimore.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when your team is badass...
there’s precious few things to debate over!
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think...
idk that if we dont fumble those balls that we win that game? well i do know what just to clarify things for you. and you dont know if they would have been able to adjust to CJ or not, i give respect to their d, but to just out the gate give them the credit that they surely would have adjusted and shut him down is crazy talk.
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I know
if we don’t fumble those balls…we win that game.
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by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said they couldn't, just that they didn't
thus nothing was opened up for Kerry because our running game became a non-threat again.
And we do win that game without 2 fumbles inside the 10 yard line. That’s just science.
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by August West on Aug 17, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you asked which 5 games
in my opinion obviously..
the monday night game against indy, he made many key throws to keep drives alive and put us into scoring position, because they had our run game pretty bottled up.
against chicago..no brainer really nearly 300 yards and 3 tds
against jacksonville..3 tds two of them long throws to gage,
against pittsburgh, we only combined on the ground for around 70-80 yards, collins made key throws all throughout the game and hit gage for the early td. Finally against Baltimore, a game yes we did not win, but a game where collins put his team on his back, and made big throw after big throw, to keep us in it. So 4 wins, and one..game that i and most titans fans know we should have won.
You're not wrong walter, you're just an asshole.
by collinzoober5 on Aug 17, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you can technically count the 1st jacksonville game too
seeing as how it was either kerry or no one at qb once vice went down
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count it as one where Kerry won the game "on his own"?
That’s a HUGE stretch. He only threw two passes.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, not on his own
i was just saying that without kerry, we probably don’t win that one.
no one ever wins a football game on their own, so it’s kinda a silly premise. the defense holding the bedazzlers to 10 points, if anything, was what won that game.
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
It’s fair to say the KC’s contributions to those games were more than mere pedestrian, game-manager performances. The question is – and it’s entirely subjective – whether or not VY could have performed well enough in those 5 games to help the team win any of them. It’s hard to say VY would have won all of them, but it’s also unfair to say he would have lost all five. You would also need to consider whether VY would have contributed to winning any of the 3 games that were lost. In the end, you probably come out with at least a 10-6 record as SuperHorn suggested.
by TNTitan89 on Aug 17, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he on his own won at least 5 games last year
He didn’t throw one TD pass against Indy. CJ/Lendale combined for 3 rushing TDs. I’m not saying that’s a bad performance, but it’s not winning the game on his own.
I’ll give you Chicago, Jacksonville, and Pittsburgh. But, if we’re counting wins, lets throw in the game he lost all on his own too, Houston.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the last 2 years
Collins is 13-3 as a starter and VY is 10-6. 13-3>10-6
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Jimmy....
That’s a simplistic, unfair comparison. Who else started last year that didn’t the year before? Do they get the same comparison? It’s a team game, man.
by TNTitan89 on Aug 17, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides...
The Titans won in Week 1 when Vince started. So it would be 12-3 vs. 11-6 by your criteria.
by TNTitan89 on Aug 17, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cue "pouting on the sideline" retort
i can do this argument in my sleep. too much practice.
football gods? if you can hear me, we could REALLY use something else to talk about down here.
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure exactly what your point is...
but mine is that “record of team in one year when QB A started” vs. “record of team in different year when QB B started” is a largely invalid comparison.
by TNTitan89 on Aug 17, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point is pretty clear
we are beating the glue that was made out of the dead horse.
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even I agree with this.
It’s tired.
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually my records are correct
Collins started the Texans win in 07 and VY started the Jags game in 08.
BOOYAH!!
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i gotta stat right.....
and i jizzed in my pants!
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by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did?
Well I gess that tells us all we need to know about your personal life.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.....
well from what i heard from you earlier of the ravens discussion im gonna try and remember that your whits are probably your achilles heel and take things a little slower.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a big.....
snl fan i take it, or of common sense for that matter.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that is funny stuff right there
You telling me I am not a fan of common sense.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REC'D!
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Aug 17, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what you meant to say was
CJ is 13-3 as a starter and Lendale is 10-6. 13-3>10-6
by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I meant
Jacob Bell 10-6 Jake Scott 13-3. 13-3>10-6.
I really just threw that out there because people always point to VY’s might win/loss record.
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by Jimmy on Aug 17, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good point, really.
I was wondering how much of KC’s performance was from whichever of the Guards was out of the starting line up.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Aug 17, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the houston game....
i was there, but really wish i wasnt. big let down that game, although the texans are on the rise. we still should have whooped a**.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
by kg_2005 on Aug 17, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kerry's worst performance by far last year
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by hal41605 on Aug 17, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets game also sucked.
Or maybe it’s just permanently imprinted on my skull because I had to hear it from EVERYONE in my office all damned week after that.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Aug 17, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly from that game
I remember their short passing offense picking our defense literally into tiny pieces. I don’t recall if our offense was even on the field.
by numbertenox on Aug 17, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were a lot of dropped balls/missed opportunities early.
After that they fell behind, and nobody could make a play to close the gap. Eventually time of possession wore the Defense down, and it was all over. Still, make a few plays early on Offense, and it’s a TOTALLY different game.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Aug 18, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
was there any report of VY re-injuring his hammy, because it looked a little tender on sunday?
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by Sam Page on Aug 17, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so
I remember reading that VY tweaked his hammy but Fisher said he could of finished the game. nothin too serious
I'M DISRESPECTFUL TO DIRT!! CAN YOU SEE THAT I AM SERIOUS?
GET OUT OF MY WAY, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS NO PLACE FOR LOAFERS. JOIN ME OR DIE. CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?
by TitanFan2K on Aug 17, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....somewhere
Out there Joykat is smiling. :)
by oiler2titan on Aug 17, 2009 8:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE stop pointing out
That we would have probably gone 10-6 with Vince. In case you don’t remember, 10-6 would have MISSED THE PLAYOFFS. It doesn’t help your argument.
Also, shutup about him.
Who doesn't want to be a promiscuous dope fiend?
by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 17, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like where Vince's head is now.
Listening to his post game interview, he realizes he is going to be heavily scrutinized and he is over the haters in the Tennessee media and the haters at MCM. He sounds like he is going nowhere near the icy waters y’all wallow in. Really, the haters on this board are over-the-top. The $15M on Collins was a huge waste. He is two bad games from the glue factory. Collins peaked out last year as nothing more than a game manager. This season will expose his mediocrity especially if the run blocking does not pick up.
by Baha on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince?
Vince’s mom? Major Adams?
Whoever, you really don’t know what you are talking about. Like at all. There are a lot of posters here, who have been posting here for years, who defend VY, and even those of us (myself included) that don’t have a lot of confidence in him at this point would love to see him do well. Even our most virulent KC proponent / VY critic is not a “hater”. It’s you guys that climb in here and after being on the site for a grand total of one day and not getting a lot of encouragement to your “bench Kerry for VY” posts, kick around pouting and “hating” (whoever coined that phrase needs to be shot). Is FIsher a VY hater in your book? He must be, huh? I think he probably knows a bit more than you do, so STFU. Please.
If you are thirteen, I apologize.
by numbertenox on Aug 18, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I was 13.
sigh
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Aug 18, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Now you are hating on new fans. Way to go. Nice to see how you represent the “seasoned” MCM poster. Stuff fitting of a thirteen year old. Really nice.
by Baha on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not a fan
You may think you are but you are not. When you post stuff like
“The $15M on Collins was a huge waste. He is two bad games from the glue factory. Collins peaked out last year as nothing more than a game manager. This season will expose his mediocrity especially if the run blocking does not pick up.”
Clearly, you are the hater. It’s more important for you to fling out your opinion and be right about an individual player than it is for the team to do well. First game of the season if KC is having trouble will you be thinking “man that sucks for us, hope he does better or VY is ready to step in if slump keeps up”? No – you’ll be thinking how quickly can I get on to the Tennessean or MCM and crow about how right I was and KC’s ass needs to be on the bench and VY needs to be in.
This is a team fan site, for team fans. Opinions are expressed about individual players, and there are disagreements, but they are mostly civil and reasoned and thought out. Just because a lot of people here agree with the coaching staff of the Titans that KC should be the starter this year does not make us “haters” or unreasonable. Such an accusation is clearly wrong, and if you can’t see that then you really shouldn’t stick around here.
by numbertenox on Aug 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What he said...
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Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Aug 18, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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