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Open Letter to Vince Young

Vince....

Unless you are completely clueless, never watch TV, never read the paper, never read the internet, and only talk to your Mom, I have some bad news for you.

Everybody hates you and think you are not a good NFL quarterback.  They do.  Seriously.  Not only does everyone now believe you are 90% down the road to bust-ville, everybody thinks you will be unemployed by next February (at the latest).  In fact, many think you won't even be the backup QB this year. There isn't a single NFL fan outside of Tennessee or Texas that thinks you are any good at football and likes you.  Probably 75%, maybe more, of Titan fans hate you and think you suck.  Luckily, you have a small contingent of fans left in Texas that still like you.  But you need to forget about them as soon as possible.  Never talk to them again.  That is your first piece of advice.  More to follow below the fold.

Star-divide

I know this comes as a surprise to you.  You think you will be in the Hall of Fame and win Super Bowls.  I'm sorry I'm the one to break the news to you that you are now the laughing stock of the entire football nation.  There isn't a football writer or blogger in the nation that can go a day without using you as a punch line.  I can only guess you won't take this news well.  But alas, not all is lost.  You can turn this around.  I'm sure of it.

But to pick yourself out of the football gutter you have got to redefine yourself. 

No more of this "everybody wants me to go out there and be perfect" crap.

That couldn't be further from the truth.  Hell, most Titan fans just want you to be average, let alone perfect.  All NFL fans outside of Titan-land want nothing more than for you to fail even bigger than you already have.  Everybody hates you, which is the exact opposite of wanting you to be perfect.  You have very few fans left.

We all know how you work now.  You want to be loved.  You want to make everyone happy with your football talents.  You want everyday to be just like those glorious moments after the Rose Bowl.  You remember, don't you?  Standing in the end zone, soaking up the praise and admiration of a nation.  Being on the cover of SI.  You should be proud of what you did at Texas, and what you did in your first year in Nashville.  But you've had more than enough time to drink Tequila and reflect in your great moments.

Those times are long gone.  In fact, that is step 1 of a 3 step plan.

Step 1.  Forget about all of the good things you have ever done in the past on the football field.

Step 2.  Forget about all the bad things you have done on (and off the field) lately.

And here is the crux of this advice on how to become relevant again.

Step 3.  Became the Villain.

This is going to be hard for you to do.  You have wanted to be the good guy your whole life.  Giving Madison High fans state championships.  Giving the state of Texas national championships.  Trying to get your old hometown NFL team a Super Bowl trophy.  But no more.  Quit fucking trying to please people.  Quit trying to please you teammates.  Quit trying to please the press.  Quit trying to please the fans.  Just quit.  They all hate you, so why the hell are you trying to do something for them?

You have always been the "face" on the football field.  Now it is time for you to be the "heel".

I've thought alot about this and I truly believe this is the best way for you to regain your edge.

Instead of getting your feelings hurt that the fans boo you, you need to want the fans to boo you.  That may be hard to understand, so I'll repeat.

Don't get mad when people boo you and pout.  Try to get people to boo you.  Want people to boo you.  Thrive off of people booing you.

Be the bad guy.  Be the villain.  Get pissed.

Go out there every day to prove the doubters wrong.  Come to grips that the whole country hates you and thinks you suck.  Every yard you gain.  Every pass you complete.  Every TD you make, needs to be to rub it in everyone's face.  And when you do something good on the field, you need to look at the press and the fans and tell them to F-off.  Tell them it isn't for them.  Tell them you hate them too. 

You need to regain your edge on the field.  You need to find something that lets you unleash your skills.  Something needs to help you run faster and hit harder, because whatever has been going on in your head the last year isn't working.  You are hesitant to throw.  You are not relying on instincts.  You are thinking too much and are too afraid to play bad. 

You need to play mad.  You need to be the villain.  You need to look to take out frustration on every defender lining up against you.  I see the "happy-go-lucky" look in your eyes and it is killing your play.  Quit smiling.  Quit laughing.  Surely you aren't having a good time when everyone is laughing at you, are you?

Do you watch UFC?  You should go watch the last Brock Lesnar match.  Watch how he fights pissed.  Watch his aggression.  Watch how he treats the crowd after the fight.  Find that sort of intensity and anger in your soul and unleash it.

You are not going to succeed by trying to prove the Titans right for picking you #3.  You need to try to prove people wrong for saying you are a bust.  And then if you happen to turn this around and start to play good, you need look at the fans and at the press and tell them to shove it.  Make people hate you for playing good and not being gracious about it.  You should hope they say you are a good player and a bad sport.  Right now they say you are bad player and a bad sport. 

When you drop back to pass and see an open WR, try to break their knuckles with a rocket pass.  When the pocket breaks down, run as if every defender on the field just punched your Mom in the face.  Seriously, get fucking angry!!!!  Quit freaking trying to please people and prove you are not the wimp everybody now thinks you are.

So, lets recap.

--Everybody hates you

--Everybody thinks you suck

--You are on the verge of being unemployed

--You need to forget about the past and focus on being NFL's version of Brock Lesnar.  Be the villain.

Try to punish people when they try to tackle you.  Play angry.  Play pissed.  Accept that everybody hates you and embrace the role.  Be mean to the press.  Be mean to the fans.  Be mean to the defense.  The only way your teammates are going to follow you is if they believe you are going to do whatever it takes to win and will stomp on any defender that gets in your way.  Don't help any defender off the ground.  Don't pat a defender on the butt when they tackle you.  Don't smile.  Play so fucking mad that even Cortland Finnegan thinks you need to keep your cool.  Don't worry about personal fouls.  Don't worry about what people think about you.  Make it your goal to be the strongest, hardest QB to tackle.  One that punishes defenders.

Get freaking angry and embrace your new role as America's newest hated football player.  Be the villain, Vince.  Be the villain.  It might be the only way you can regain your old edge on the field.  All this pouting only makes you physically and mentally weak.  Make it your mission to be the angriest football player in the NFL.

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... inshort play like the Waterboy?

"I finished the game. In my mind, if I finished the game, I can play next week." - Steve McNair RIP

by Pinoy Titan on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

water sucks...

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GAAAAATORAAAAADE.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 11, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will jump for joy the minute Vince is no longer relevant to the Titans.

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by smashville on Aug 10, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

more evidence on the emotion vince needs to use as fuel

for his fire…..

everybody hates him…….he needs to quit trying to please fans/media/teammates that hate him and go out there and use his natural athletic and football gifts to violently hurt anyone that tries to tackle him……

he needs to be the chuck cecil of the offense….

by zackmann on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Vince

should not listen to what the fans have to say, then why should he take your advice?

The fact of the matter is, Vince may or may not be successful again on the football field. He may or may not ever again show the electricity on the field that made him rookie of the year. I can’t believe the amount of criticism this man gets for simple statements like, “I will be in the hall of fame.”

BIG DEAL! If Vince is going to regain his confidence, he needs to at least convince himself that he can still do it. It really bothers me that the media and bloggers can take a statement like that and call it a “cry for help.”

Let the man do his own thing, and he will be successful- whether it’s on the field with the Titans, another team, or simply in life.

I really don’t know whether to take the part about Vince telling fans to “F-off” seriously. Doing that is not Vince Young. Vince grew up around enough people with a screw-you attitude to know that that isn’t the way to live life.

Also, I think it’s pretty ironic that the same people who were yelling “Give Vince a chance! You’re just jumping the gun and hopping on the Kerry Collins national media bandwagon!” after last preseason are the same people who now want Vince out of town.

Now I know I’m going to take a lot of crap for this post, but the fact of the matter is that Vince is simply frustrated with where he is as an athlete. The whole situation has fallen somewhat out of his control, and anyone would be frustrated with that. So despite the past two years or so, what Vince has done up to this point in his life has been rather remarkable.

In short, what I would say in a letter to Vince Young is, "Vince… do your own thing. It got you to where you are. You will have your chances, so be patient, and work hard. Take care of what you can take care of, and the rest will fall into place. Be a great player, and an even better person. And finally, LEARN from yourself and the people around you. If you take this advice, you may or may not make the Hall of Fame, but you WILL live a life you can be happy with.

by sm00thBlue on Aug 11, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vince

Vince being Vince is what led him to breaking down last year because heaven forbid someone boo him.

I’m a huge VY fan and have as much faith in his football skills as anyone on this blog. I have become concerned though that this delusion that “everybody wants me to be perfect” thought he has his driving his timid play and supression of instincts.

I think the best way to regain his instincts is to quit trying to put on a happy face (which turns to pouty face too quickly) and get mad. That’s what is going to being out the side of Vince who can bring a team back from a 21 point deficit in one quarter.

I’m not sure Vince realizes how much of a joke he’s become in the media and in every casual water cooler football conversation in America.

I sure hope the thought of becoming David carr 2.0 pisses him off.

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2009 12:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

We have missed you zackmann!

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by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2009 5:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff Zackmann

Where have you been?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 11, 2009 6:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just took a break between

Draft and now.

I’m back and fired up now though.

And I also have a new Titan-related activity….texting stupid Houston morning radio hosts during my commute to work. I think I may now hate Houston worse than Indy. These delusional fans in Houston actually think they will go 12-4 this year. Hahahaha. You should have heard how upset people got when Aaron from footballoutsiders told them the had a 75% chance of only winning between 4 and 8 games. It was awesome.

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2009 7:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

titans fans are stupid.....

your words……
“These delusional fans in Houston actually think they will go 12-4 this year. Hahahaha.”
but who used a first round pick on a glorified cordell stewart wannabe? Hahahaha……
and as far as being delusional… houston fans KNEW what you guys DIDNT… that vince young was good in high school, great college quarterback…. but NEVER a real NFL prospect. why do you think we passed on him AND reggie BUST? and to think…. we have already given you a team. AND a quarterback. talking about “biting the hand that feeds…” sheesh.

by chrisd21 on Aug 11, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fan's didn't make the pick...

and if Houston fans KNEW he wasn’t going to work out then why was this such a big deal?

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 11, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was there!

and if i recall correctly, most texans fans didnt want mario and the pick was largely unpopular til about a year ago

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GET OUT OF MY WAY, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS NO PLACE FOR LOAFERS. JOIN ME OR DIE. CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?

by TitanFan2K on Aug 11, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s because most fans… anywhere… are sheeple, and will buy into the obvious drivel, spouted out by football outsiders, for instance.

Leave the metrics for baseball, BESFs!

Try being a football INSIDER. Novel concept?

by Cut Block on Aug 11, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

The topic itself was worthy of a football insider. Very well done.

Admit it, someone out there must really love VY!

by Cut Block on Aug 11, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

football outsiders is "drivel" because.....?

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because their metrics are so solid, they have to alter them every other week.

A science of pro football? Don’t credit FO… credit Paul Brown or Bill Walsh.

Save the geek stats for fantasy baseball.

Again… novel concepts?

by Cut Block on Aug 12, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you don't have any real reasons

next time just say “i’m not smart enough to understand”. it will save you the trouble of trying to make shit up

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, it seems to me that football outsiders are the ones making shit up (and constantly revising the shit they make up). It’s an interesting site, to be sure. But it’s more of a FF thing. It’s pretty worthless, beyond simple entertainment/amusement.

If one cannot understand football (which can seem complex to many, but is ultimately common-sense in this day and age), then yeah, I’d expect them to go out and lean on FO with their BS metrics.

That stuff isn’t football. It’s fantasy. Is this a fantasy thread? Wheee, clearly so.

by Cut Block on Aug 12, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

step by step

Uh, it seems to me that football outsiders are the ones making shit up (and constantly revising the shit they make up). It’s an interesting site, to be sure. But it’s more of a FF thing. It’s pretty worthless, beyond simple entertainment/amusement.

total bullshit. just not even close to correct. almost the exact opposite of the truth. fantasy football is simple stats: yards and tds. football outsiders is all about assigning weighted value to simple stats, like making a 1 yard run on 4th and inches much more valuable than a 1 yard run on 1st and 10. in fantasy football, both of those are worth the exact same.

and for the record, there have also been a grand total of 6 revisions to the DVOA formula in the 7 years of it’s existence, all in an attempt to make it a more comprehensive. none of their changes have been major and the core premise has stayed the same all along. for instance, the last two revisions have been mainly focused on trying to incorporate more penalties into the equation. how is making a yearly review of your process in order to improve it a bad thing?

If one cannot understand football (which can seem complex to many, but is ultimately common-sense in this day and age), then yeah, I’d expect them to go out and lean on FO with their BS metrics.
That stuff isn’t football. It’s fantasy. Is this a fantasy thread? Wheee, clearly so.

again, totally wrong. just pulling stuff out of your ass because you obviously can’t begin to understand what DVOA is all about.

please stop, every time you reply you just make yourself look dumber. i mean for god sakes, the 2009 Football Outsiders Almanac has an entire section about how fantasy football type stats are so misleading and how their whole purpose is to create stats that paint a much more accurate picture. do yourself a favor and talk about things which you actually have some knowledge of (can’t imagine what that would be) because you clearly have no clue what you are talking about on this one.

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a much more accurate picture, sure

but nowhere near as accurate as breaking down film, or using plain old common horse sense

still, no matter how you twist numbers, they are basically intended for the use of playing nerdy fantasy games… the basic premise for using FO is to provide more horse sense to gamblers and fantasy geeks

the actual sport is played between the lines, by TEAMS, and coaches (normally with plain old common sense)

you can be sure that peoffessional talent evaluators have little use, if any, for metrics, when they already possess experience and common sense of their own

and with all of the revisions that continue to be made with both team metrics, and induvidual metrics, it continously skews the results and rankings of teams of the teams and induviduals that it feebly attempts to judge

whatever, hang steadfast with your number crunching, I’ll have my eyes on the actual game itself

common sense = not very common (apparently)

enjoy!

by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an engineer in the making

I can say that the only thing you seem to know is that those things are MATH and you don’t understand no MATH around here.

Which hal also said but i thought i should reiterate. You are completely in the dark on this subject, so you have to stick to cliche phrases like “number crunching” and “nerdy.” I’m sorry that anything over the level of Basic Algebra is nerdy to you, but some people actually understand it and use it.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 13, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Fans without expirienced football sense of their own, seem to be using it like crazy. Ahhh, some folks love the sport itself, and many others are more interested in the stats. But I used to think they were called baseball fans. At least baseball fans have a good excuse.

I said FO could be a nice form of entertainment. Fine. So can meat and potatoes X’s and O’s.

I guess your beloved Outsiders will have to amend their metric, once again, to figure out how the Texans finished above your Titans this year. I’ll be interested in giving that one another passing glance. Only after I see it all, with my own lying eyes, first of all.

I find it hilarious that you’d rather speak up, for past statistical outputs, rather then for your favorite team, when confronted by a rival fan. Dweeb.

I’m trying to get you to talk football substance, while you’re off doing the math. Go play with your calculator, or something.

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by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are clearly still in high school.

Or at least your maturity level is. Only a high schooler uses dweeb and thinks its an insult in the real world. Also, we don’t need to defend our team. 13-3 vs 8-8? The 3-11 record against the Titans? We weren’t the ones battling the jaguars for last place in the division. We aren’t the ones without a winning record. You want substance, how about starting with your teams lack of it?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 13, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, shit!

I just realized that this means the Titans have a five win head start on the Texans, this season.

Ahhh, whatever, I bet we still catch you!

there is no "I" in "team"...but there is a "me"

by Cut Block on Aug 14, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the idea

that someone can only either look at stats or study x’s and o’s is one of your dumber arguments, which is saying something.
the whole point of using stats is to bolster your general understanding of the game and eliminate personal bias from your argument. you should try it sometime, then maybe you could come around here and talk shit without making a complete jackass of yourself. it’s about time for the billy madison clip….

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by hal41605 on Aug 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOM!

Clip!

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by gramsey712 on Aug 13, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never stated that someone can only either do something, or the other.

But all YOU have done, here, is argue about one insignificant point that I had made: that stats, even FO stats, can tell only part of the story. And that fans tend to view them as the end-all, know-all, when it comes to the evaluation of players and teams.

So, you can plainly see that YOU are the one who doesn’t get it. You don’t get the context of my argument, let alone being able to grasp what I am saying about your precious statistics, for that matter. That’s OK, you’re entitled to your narrow opinions, your misconceptions, and especially, your novice football misconceptions.

Statistics are the past. Sometimes, you can learn from the past ; while other times, it’s much better to let go. I have the feeling stat crunchers never will let go. I have the feeling that they will dig further and further and further into the numbers, as they grow further and further from a true understanding of the actual competition.

I don’t need to break down the statistical history of the sport, in order to highly understand the sport itself, nor to understand its history. Not its strategy or strategical history, either. Not even the trends, which is the only reason football statistics should even be glanced at, in the first place. My football education includes, but is not limited to, mere statistics, but it is my belief that they are largely a waste of time, and the more you convolute them, the more worthless they beomce. I do not need to see statistics, in order to see where something is going. The rare times they do aid an evaluator, the evaluator still has to know what stat to look for, in order to get extra information for a specific question. And that evaluator is not better off, by complicating a stat. Maybe in baseball, but again, this ain’t baseball.

There are already millions of misconceptions within the sport of football. It is of my opinion that convolution of stats does more to further misconceptions, even as it attempts to do the opposite.

Then you act like stats are the end-all, know-all; while also admitting that those metrics are far from being completed. Mucking things around further, is the fact that you “hardcore football gurus” love to use those FO equations as a way to RANK teams and players! Hahaha!

Though, I obviously cannot change your mind, even in reminding you that the game was revolutionized by men like Halas, Brown, Gillman, and Walsh… not the geek squad over at FO. So have it your way. I agree to disagree. There is always so much going on in football, at any given time. Too many hypotheticals to account for, and the equations will never account for them fully. Not even close.

In fact, my argument here was all about whether or not Texans fans are allowed to believe their team is going to improve upon the last few seasons, anyway. And, also, whether or not Houston fans have a right, in claiming Mario Williams as one of their own, since we had ALL wanted to plug Reggie Bush into our offense. Seeing as he was the perfect fit for our scheme, and everything.

How dare those Houston fans believe their team is improving! Obviously, their eyes are lying to them! Either that, or they must be blinded by the glare from Bud Adams’ multiple Super Bowl rings.

I will not be watching the 2009 season, due to the fact that Football Outsiders has stated that Houston will be finishing with between 4 and 8 wins. Since we already know what’s going to happen, I think my leisure time will probably be more enjoyable playing with my crystal ball/calculator.

And, seriously, guys. Being a fan of Texan football is truly a futile expirience. Everybody (including Titans brass, Titans fans, and Football Outsiders) knew better, about who should have been drafted with our #1 overall pick, back in 2006: it was either that dress-wearing Reggie Bush, or shot-putting, six on the wunderlich, Vince Young. Both were can’t miss HOFers, the two greatest football players of all-time. To this day, Houston fans continue to regret the fact that we passed them up for that bust, Mario Williams.

Not to mention running the uber-successful Oiler/Titan dynasty out of town.

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by Cut Block on Aug 14, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not even gonna waste my time reading that slop

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by hal41605 on Aug 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you won't...

…waste any time thinking for yourself, either. Just break out last year’s records and stats. ’Cause all that matters, is the past. End-all, know-all, correct?

Good luck in 2009, Tennessee. I’m not as optimistic about your team as you are. And vice versa. But it all gets proven on the field, as we move past all of those great 2008 wild card clinching moments.

I sincerely hope you savor those memories forever.

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by Cut Block on Aug 16, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would we care what the Colts and Ravens did in 2008?

Have you forgotten where you are? Or are you just a dumbass?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 16, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you forgotten that you're talking to a Houston fan?

Or am I supposed to be blown away with the Titans highly successful history? Most of which, I already obseved first hand?

You, sir… are the dumbass. Hey, nice FO interview, BTW. I enjoyed that one. Did you learn anything?

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by Cut Block on Aug 16, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers don't lie

I went back and looked at the projections that football outsiders made last year and compared them to the actual results. After analyzing the out comes I noticed that they would have made better predicitions if the would have used a dart board to determine each teams performances. They picke your Titans to win 7 games and as you know they were off by six wins. They guessed the correct win totals (plus or minus .5 wins) of 8 teams. That is 25%. That also means they were wrong 75% of the time. They incorrectly guessed win totals (plus or minus 3win) of 15 teams. That means 47% of the time they were pretty far off. I personally think the Texans will win 9 games this year, but I won’t use anything football outsiders to help me make predictions.

by John S on Aug 12, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not a crystal ball

the reason they had the titans at 7 wins is because they were using the DVOA from 2007 which included our terrible offensive numbers w/ VY and no chris johnson. obviously those things changed.

there is a 92% correlation between total point differential and winning in the nfl during one season.
there is an 85% correlation between DVOA and winning during one season.
that’s pretty damn good if you ask me.

looking forward from one season to the next, DVOA from the previous season is the single most predictive stat in football for wins the next season at a 34% correlation. point differential is 26%, yards per play differential is 25%, wins is 25% and total yardage differential is 23%.

statistically, DVOA is the cutting edge of football analysis and if you take the time to look at some of the math, you will see why. last year the top 8 teams in overall DVOA all made the playoffs and #9 was the Pats who were 11-5.

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making a point

So you are saying that at the begining of the season, before they have current data, they are less like to predict how a team is going to do. That is all I was trying to tell Zack. With all the variables that going into each team every season it is virtually imposible to correctly predict how each team is going to do. That’s why I discredit their predictions until they get current data. I bet you were upset last year when they said you were only going to win 7 games when you believed they were better than that.

by John S on Aug 12, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the core premise of DVOA

is that it is illustrative, not predictive. so on that note, you are absolutely correct. a lot of the articles they write are an attempt to fill up blog space with something more than just tables and numbers. for instance, their mock draft was pretty laughable, imo. but the numbers are damn solid. i criticized their over ranking of philly all year last year, but when all was said and done, the eagles were NFC runners up. DVOA is simply a tool to more accurately explain the performance of a team, player, unit, etc.

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince

man i have to admit after seeing VY steps onto the field i feel im about to witness a big play and something great .. but then he throws a pic it feels like a lil bit of a let down.. im just wondering why do i still have that feeling everytime he steps into the game.. idk man its wierd .. its almost like the feeling you get before a big pay per view fight that you’ve been wating for for months and your favorite boxer or fighter is walking out to the ring … thats the feeling i get … dam i wish VY would hurry and get it all together already!

by TattedTI on Aug 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man

What QB doesn’t throw a int here and there look at Brett Farves career stats he’s one of the greats! Hes thrown almost as many ints as TDs but he wins games! VY is a play maker just like Vick who cares if he has a 150 qb rating or a 50 qb rating as long as he’s taking the team were they need to be it don’t matter it’s football not stat ball!

by datboybevans on Aug 11, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Favre has 154 more TDs than INTs. I don’t consider that “almost as many.” Vince Young has thrown 10 more picks than TDs. To use Favre as a reference here is pretty silly.

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by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A QB is a QB

Football is about getting the ball in the in zone it don’t matter how you get it there long as you do that and win! Something alot of people are failing to realize.

by datboybevans on Aug 13, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Guy Zachman really needs to get a life!

How some random nobody just going to come write some mess like this about a NFL player? For one you probably don’t even know anything about football bet you haven’t even play a day in your life probably some couch potatoe sitting home getting fat everyday! VY don’t got time to read corny post like this so you wasting your time! VY has %100 percent of my support! The coach already said that VY did a fine job so everybody elses 2cents doesn’t matter!

by datboybevans on Aug 11, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy there n00b

zackmann has been here for the duration. Don’t even think about starting crap like this my man.

And if “everybody elses 2cents doesn’t matter,” why are you here?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 11, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmaoooo!

whats up with the titans fans? no love and unity even on the BLOGS?!?!? no wonder vince tried to kill himself! i mean cmon…. YOU GUYS ONLY HAVE ONE PROFESSIONAL TEAM IN THE CITY, LET ALONE THE STATE! seems that you would enjoy our sloppy seconds….

by chrisd21 on Aug 11, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

…………….

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 11, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

……….

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 11, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are laughing your ass off off off off?

And you don’t even know what the fuck you are talking about?

What ARE you talking about?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 12, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This article was too much for me to read first of all

I did manage to read the first 2 paragraphs before I saw that it was a novel, and with respect of course, I do not agree with you at all. Not everyone hates Vince. I love his interview in which he shows that he still has confidence and has set extremely high goals for himself, even though they seem unattainable at the time. Maybe he will be our starter again in the future and maybe he won’t, but I would be very disappointed in him if he for some reason read your post and listened to the “advice” that you gave him.

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by Sheriff McLawdog on Aug 11, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A few points

1. The fan post (or diary as it use to be called) is meant to be long.

2. The “open letter” format is not meant fir him to read. I sure hope VY doesn’t read blogs like this. The open letter format is just a gimmick to format the article. It is done many times on the net and no one thinks the athlete (or politician) it is addressed to will actually read it.

3. For all the regulars here, I have (and am) one of the most sympathetic VY supporters. Go search the site.

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2009 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Zackmann

Dang dude ur popular

Titans to the Super Bowl

by titansalltheway on Aug 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zack.

Welcome back.

Gotta disagree with you here, at least some of it.

1) I don’t think many people hate Vince Young. I just think people are tired of the circus. Most Titans fans want to see him succeed. Like him or not, his success is in the team’s best interest.

2) Don’t become the Villain. Be Vince. But, be the Vince who us “Texas” fans know. The Vince who was told he should play WR in college and then became the most efficient passer in CFB two years later. The Vince who won the Rose Bowl. The Vince who was ROTY. I want THAT guy back.

3) Play pissed off. I do agree with this. And, I think that’s what drove him to begin with. He needs to accept that he’s not a pocket passer. That’s not what he was drafted to be though. He needs to play his own game…with the fire he had before.

by SuperHorn on Aug 11, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good reply

I like reading your perspective. Some thoughts below

—outside of tenn and Texas, I’m sure most don’t like Vince. They see him as a baby after last year and delusional after that last interview. I bet 90% of people outside tenn/Texas consider him a bust. I want that to piss him off.

—I bet more than, probably 3/4ths of Titan fans want him off the team NOW. They may not hate him, but they don’t like him anymore and are ready to move on.

—I think my biggest point here us Vince needs to quit trying to please people. It is easy to see that drives him. That’s why getting booed hurt him so much. He wants to make people happy and win for them. That mindset is greatly hurting his play.

I think his quote after last game captured it well. “I know everyone wants me to be perfect”. No, no, no. Everyone wants you to quit sucking so bad. Big difference.

The viilian thought is a way to change his mindset. If he is playing the heel, he won’t be so stuck on these high expectations he thinks people have for him. People want heels to lose. That would allow him to play with a chip on his shoulder.

—my last point is that I don’t think Vince realizes he is on the verge of being cut and may not get another chance to start. Once he realizes that, the better, and I hope it pisses him off and he can play with more anger.

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Point number 1

That’s me right there.

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by Pinoy Titan on Aug 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

vince is a crybaby!

i remember in high school…. his senior year. madison was up by 45 points. coach seals sends in the second string QB, only like 4 minutes left in the game. not only did he throw the HUGEST temper tantrum i’ve ever seen, it wasnt until AFTER the game that we all realized why he was so pissed off…. he wanted the single game record for passing/rushing yards by a QB. and that’s your starting QB. good luck with that!

by chrisd21 on Aug 11, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brialliant.

You’re right because no HIGH SCHOOL kid would want to break a state record. Are you crazy? I’d be pissed too.

And WTF does how a kid acts in high school have to do with anything 10 years later? Do you really think that most of the rest of the NFL players would have reacted differently when they were 17?

He clearly has a competitive drive that you are either missing or don’t understand. Move to Cuba or something.

by SuperHorn on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Brialliant.... or BRILLIANT? hmmmmmmm........

being competitive? or selfish? seems to be a trend. VY is the “new breed” athlete at it’s worst… a video game junkie/athlete who has been pampered by EVERYONE his entire life. and while he is young, it’s not his age that’s the problem, it’s his maturity level, and he can be 35 and still be the same way.

by chrisd21 on Aug 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like sour grapes

from someone who played on a team that got beat by Madison High when VY was a senior…..

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by gramsey712 on Aug 12, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually.....

i graduated in 96… vince wasnt anywhere close to being a senior bud. i was only there because my girl’s lil sister was a cheerleader at madison….

by chrisd21 on Aug 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in addendum....

i went to NORTHSHORE. home of the mighty mighty mustangs…

by chrisd21 on Aug 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"home of the mighty migthy mustangs"

you sure it wasn’t YOU who was the cheerleader?

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the spell check.
a video game junkie/athlete who has been pampered by EVERYONE his entire life.

Is this a joke, or are you just completely ignorant?

From Esquire.com :

The kids in my neighborhood used to pick on me because my mom, she used to be strung out on drugs. They used to call me “crack baby.” I used to get talked about so much, I said, Man, I’m staying inside. My mother made me get out and play with the boys, because I was always around women. She wanted me to get aggressive. So I got aggressive.



I saw everything. There was a hole in the door that closed off my room from the living room. I used to always — my little bad self — peek through that little hole and see my mom and the whole neighborhood. My grandmom worked the graveyard shift, and everybody knew that after she left and the kids were in bed, the party was at our house. Every night. Smoking, dancing, having sex, and there I was, couldn’t sleep for the noise, looking through that little hole at a strange world, man. People so strung out that they’re stuttering, a-a-a-a-a-a. I didn’t know what strung out was, but I knew they were strung out. That was my window on the world. And I thought to myself, I don’t know what else is gonna happen to me, but I do not want to be like that.



I’d wake up in the middle of the night, make sure everything was locked up, make sure my mom’s keys were hidden because my uncle used to steal the car all the time, peek in on my sisters’ room to make sure nobody was bothering them, make sure their windows were locked. The garage door was broken from my uncle, so got to check that, too. He’d break in and steal what he could carry. I must have lost four Nintendos to him, microwaves, you name it. I love my uncle, I forgive him, but I couldn’t respect him as a man. He was stealing from us, his own family, and that’s no way for a man to behave, you know? I was about ten.

by SuperHorn on Aug 12, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe you took the time Horn

This guy is an idiot. It’s obvious. He needs to go on back to his little Junior Cowboy community and talk about how 2009 is gonna be the Junior Cowboys Breakout Season!!!!!!!!!11 just like they have done for every season up until now.

THIS IS GONNA BE THE ONE!!!!!11

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by gramsey712 on Aug 12, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

THEY MIGHT EVEN WIN 9 GAMES

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK Chris... but people grow, and change.

Vince still has time. Things change. And, by the way, so can organizations… but I have a slight hunch, that would fall deaf, on Bud Adams’ ears.

12-4, 11-5, 10-6, 9-7, it’s all nitpicking. As long as our little expansion club finishes ahead of these Oiler wannabees, along with a 2-0 or 3-0 H2H result. Mark it down, Possum Holler.

by Cut Block on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am outside of Tennesse and Texas and I like him. Does that count?

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 11, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

The fact that you’re a Sharks fan discredits at least half of what you say. :-)

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by smashville on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew you would come and back me up on that one.

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Established 1994:

Are you 15?

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by smashville on Aug 11, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You thinking you might have an age buddy?

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by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lurking Texans Fan

I was just visiting to see what your fans think of your team and I laughed my ass off when I read this.

Trust me there isn’t a Texas or Texans fan that wants him back here we are more than happy with Mario and gald as hell we didn’t get VY or Bush for that matter. I agree he has incredible physical skills but I don’t think he ever had what it takes to be an NFL QB, at Texas they took alot of stuff out of the offence for him from what I’ve heard, and he tries toooooo hard to make all of the plays himself instead of relying on his team, which can work well in College but the guys at the NFL level are just too good.

by Texans-Brocos on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Texan fans are delusional

Talk radio guys on 610 am keep talking about 12-4. That is the definition of “laugh my ass off”

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If you cant be delusional

in preseason then when can you be, I’m thinking more like 13-3!!!

by Texans-Brocos on Aug 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the texans are one of the popular sleeper teams this year

which means they’re probably goin 5-11.

I'M DISRESPECTFUL TO DIRT!! CAN YOU SEE THAT I AM SERIOUS?
GET OUT OF MY WAY, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS NO PLACE FOR LOAFERS. JOIN ME OR DIE. CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?

by TitanFan2K on Aug 11, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like prediction making

Because the Titans are on such an upswing, with Kerrie Collins or Vince Young under center!

2007 was an aberration, in Tennesse.

Welcome back to Earth, while we use two wins off of you, in passing you by.

Yeah, get used to being jealous of us in advance, Zachary.

How practical of you.

by Cut Block on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aberration?

the titans have the 5th most wins in the NFL since 1999, which is also when they arrived in nashville. sounds to me like leaving houston was the best thing that ever happened to the franchise.

a bit of advice:
try having a winning record once. then maybe your franchise won’t be irrelevant.

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by hal41605 on Aug 12, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but by this Februray, it’s still possible that the more successful franchise could be the one that has only resided in Houston for 8 seasons.

Either way, say hello to Bud for us, as the Texans jump past your Fiddlers permanently.

Karma’s a bitch. Just ask Bud.

by Cut Block on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how delusional you are.

Face it. No winning seasons for the Texans. A quarterback that is somehow MORE likely to get hurt than Kerry Collins? And a backup that i would feel even less comfortable about than Vince Young.

Through it all, you expect to outplay the Titans and Colts, two teams that are pretty much a lock to stay above you. That push you’re supposed to finally make to the playoffs? It doesn’t happen going 7-9 or 8-8, buddy.

Have some early morning hate!

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 12, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like our starter. I like our back ups. I would even like to see Bonzos as an NFL coach. Most preferably in Nashville.

by Cut Block on Aug 12, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you like your starter and your backup...

You must hate the playoffs.

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

Crowd roaring after Suter’s goal tied it up… Preds win the faceoff and Arnott crosses the blueline, slapshot and a SCORE! Arnott blows it by Hasek and the Preds take the lead 4-3…

by Michaeltastic on Aug 12, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how that was relevant, but ok.

And how can you like running out of the endzone?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 12, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

by your analogies, if you guys like Kerry Collins so much, you must like guys who can’t win Super Bowls

if Collins was in on the Orlovsky play, with all of that stout blocking, I’m sure he would have thrown a pick six

you Titan fans should savor your team’s uber-successful history

Houston chooses to move forward each and every day

by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Houston chooses to move forward each and every day"

How’s that workin’ out for ya?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 13, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

judging by the opinions here, not well

But reality is a far different matter. Hold out on the pessimism towards us. It all gets settled on the field.

Sure, pick on us for being an expansion franchise. Fine. But, hey, check it out, we haven’t been going backwards lately. And we don’t waste first round picks on bust QBs and bust RBs. Hell, we take nobodies, and develop them into effective pros.

Jealousy must be bred into Tennesseeans. Or maybe having an Adams-run team will do that to a fan?

In order for the Titans to go forward, a Super Bowl championship must be in store. Good luck, guys. Maybe the 43rd time’s a charm?

I bet you’ll all hate us even more, when our fine organization delivers one first.

I’ll go so far, as to guarantee that it happens that way.

Then again, what would a Houstonian know, about the two organizations?

Good luck.

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by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So our fans, of a team that is 11-3 against your team, are jealous?

And now Chris Johnson is a bust?

I am done with you. You are obviously a dumbass.

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by gramsey712 on Aug 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooh Chris Johnson

He’s every coach’s dream… until he opens his yap, that is.

When was Chris Johnson, or Steve McNair, or even Billy Cannon, mentioned? See, somewhere early on in this thread, this had all gotten into a Tit-for-tat, about the Titan choice of Young, in ‘06, after our team had shown the foresight in passing up gems like he… and Reggie Bush (the RB I was referring to, genius). When the common perception around the football universe had Bush and VY as the top two prospects in that draft. I’m sure it was perception that was shared by the majority of you famed Titan fans. I’d bet my paycheck on that one.

Wow, I don’t remember CJ being available in that draft. He’s not the type of back we’d spend a high pick on, anyway, but he’s worked out rather nicely for your investment. I suppose. If spending your 1st round pick on a dress-wearing scatback qualifies, then sure. Your offense needed some explosiveness, somehow. Lord knows you wouldn’t be getting it from the passing game.

And you would have to realize that the sun shines, even on a dog’s ass, some of the time. Good job, grabbing that workhorse CJ. Kudos, to CJ.

Now, “gramsey”, you will be done, when the Texans start making the Titan front office look worse than it already has, throughout its long history.

Hey, wait, you were already done, starting with last December 14th.

Nice knowing ya, baby blue!

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by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cut block

officially wins for “most bat shit retarded troll in MCM history”.

talking to a brick wall is more intellectually stimulating. i mean, we all knew that everything is dumber in texas but damn kid, you are really something.

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by hal41605 on Aug 13, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe you should try going to the jags site

Atleast you guys can occasionally beat them.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 13, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

memory serves me that...

Our young team manhandled your overachievers once last season.

And we have beaten J-ville more than “occasionally”.

I thought you folks were sticklers, for past happenings. Only when it suits your points-of-view, evidently.

Heee, I’m so glad Houston ran that team off to Possum Holler. Heartbreakers, aren’t they?

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by Cut Block on Aug 13, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A 1 point loss is hardly a manhandling.

And Jacksonville is the ONLY AFC South team you have beaten “occasionally.”

How many points did you blow against Indy? 21 or something?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 13, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously you didn't watch that game

You can definitely get your butt handed to you, no matter what the score is. And, in that one-point loss, you boys got stomped.

Want to talk about organizations that choke? Yours is king.

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by Cut Block on Aug 16, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007 sucked

2008 was a good year, however.

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by gramsey712 on Aug 12, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFL.com | Is VY headed for 3rd string?

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by smashville on Aug 11, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bullseye!!

This post was long, sure. But I agree with it 100%.

by bull4real on Aug 11, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

zackmann right on

i agree with you 100% vince needs to stop trying to play perfect an just try to play average.as a fan that would be a nice change to at least have our franchise qb being the starter.thats usually not a problem for most nfl players 4 years into a carrer.but i cant blame jeff because clearly kerry is better and i just want to see the titans win.

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