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Clay Travis: The Tennessean Is Sitting on a Story That Steve McNair Had Several Other Affairs

Well here it is.  Most of us that write on this site said when the Steve McNair story broke that there would be other details come out before it was all said and done that do not shed a good light on McNair.  According to Clay Travis, that story has been written and the Tennessean is sitting on it.

There was quite a bit of talk in gramsey's thread the other day about the details of McNair's private life, and if they should be discussed here or not.  I wasn't, and honesty still am not, sure where I come down on that.  For instance, last Friday there was a story in one of the New York papers that McNair had a lengthy affair with a stripper in Minnesota.  The source for said story was the former owner of a strip club.  I had a post all written and ready to go about the story and how there was no point to printing it now.  What good would it do?  I ultimately decided not to post what I wrote because I didn't want to give the story any more of a forum than it already had.

Clay Travis makes this argument in his post:

There is no doubt that the fact that Steve McNair was engaged in multiple affairs is extremely newsworthy. He was, after all, killed by one of these women. Already the Tennesseanhas reported that there was a third woman involved in an affair with McNair. Why draw the line there? Especially when articles citing police and other sources have already hinted that Ms. Kazemi may have been motivated in her murder/suicide by uncovering the existence of these other women. She's 20 and believed she was the love of Steve McNair's life. Then she uncovered that she was merely one woman of many that he was squiring about town.

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There is one main benefit to running a blog and not being a member of the mainstream media.  The decision about what goes on the blog is mine and mine alone.  I don't have to write about anything that I don't deem it necessary to write about. 

We don't have to write about stuff just because it is "extremely newsworthy."  This is a fansite and not a news outlet.  We do try our best to stay on top of all the Titans breaking news, but our main goal is to provide a forum for Titans fans to discuss the Titans. 

It is my firm belief that Titans fans would much rather talk about the good memories of Air McNair rather than the circumstances that ultimately led to his tragic and untimely death, and that is why the story has been covered here the way that it is has.  If this story really does exist and ever runs, I am sure it will be linked to here, but I doubt there will be much commentary about it from any of the bloggers here.

So I thank you for reading this post as it has very little structure and is just me working through where I come down on this issue.  You can now go back to your regularly scheduled activities (bah).

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However many affairs he was having

Why is it important for me to read about them.

Well said. The man has passed on, and I don’t care to read about who else he was or was not sleeping with. Hopefully the media will restrain itself. The family has got to be still reeling.

In general I just don’t care about “affair” news, although when it’s a governor that disappears to another country for several days to boink some gal and his staff claims he’s hiking the appalachian trail and out of touch, OK, that’s funny. They can roll out the circus tents for something like that.

by numbertenox on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

On every NFL team in the league there are men who have multiple girlfriends and who cheat on their wives. It really is an intrinsic part of this league because of how high profile good athletes become and because of how much money they have.

Steve McNair was a warrior on the football field, a humble man off the field, a generous contributor to charities, and most importantly simply a human being capable of flaws. I don’t care if we find out that he was have 100 affairs, it will not tarnish my memory of him.

The Great Steve McNair will always be remembered here

by Sheriff McLawdog on Jul 16, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

an athlete having multiple affairs is news?

since when? i wouldn’t be surprised in 80% of athletes cheat on their wives…

in fact most titans probably have a girlfriend in indi, houston, and jacksonville because they are there every year…. but who cares?

what does the choices an athlete make in their personal life have any effect on me? it dosnt, and frankly it is none of my business. Those kinds of things are personal decisions that people make for themselves and deal with the consequences of their actions. Unfortunately in #9’s case his decision led to being murdered… it is very tragic. No matter where you stand on the issue of infidelity no one deserves death for these errors in judgment.

by ryansax on Jul 16, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Jesus Christ, me too, who cares

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 16, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

On a different note:

Anything interesting going on with the supplemental draft?

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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

McNair's private life

Not to say I am okay with cheating on your spouse but, I also don’t believe he deserved to die over it. The affairs are between the husband, wife & God. Steve seemed to really care about others & the communities he lived in. He was also a good team mate & friend from what I have been told. I will not judge him & hope his family can forgive & slowly move forward.

by TrueChaos on Jul 16, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I respect your stance and I most definitely see your point

My point in the thread of Gramseys was not so much the details of all his affairs. More on the effect they have on his legacy The things I feel should be discussed are questions like 1) How does this have an effect on his legacy? 2) Is it deserved? 3) How does this impact his perception and his work in the community? And in regards to the amount of affairs, it does matter to some extent. As Clay Travis said, he sadly ended up dead over this. Those consequences, his death, the hurt caused on his family, while not foreseen or deserved, are all a direct result of his affairs.

Yes, all athletes do it, but not all athletes were revered in the community as McNair was. Kirby Puckett’s problems were revealed late in his life and even more after he died. It most definitely changed the perception of him, and deservedly so. The truth be told, we don’t know who the real McNair was, and most likely it was a mix of all of it. The bad affairs and the good community work. Truth be told, most of us are that complicated as well, and have good and bad qualities within us, and if a journalist followed us around, could portray us either way. But it certainly has bearings on us as his fans. I love McNair and will ALWAYS remember him fondly, but I also refuse to turn a blind eye to the details of his life just so I don’t tarnish my own memory of him. In my opinion, these details do, and will, and should factor in to how I remember him. Most likely, McNair was a man who had some demons he was chasing, but also wanted to do good things for people less fortunate.

I do not mean to stir the pot, but McNair to me was my last athlete I idolized. Maybe it’s my own curiosity I am trying to satisfy and nothing more, but I do want to know why he took the actions he did that led to his unpredictable and tragic ending. He was a beacon of hope to many, especially in regards to his family. He was always portrayed as a family man, and this most definitely reveals that he wasn’t. True family men don’t have multiple affairs. I want to know why. The fan in me wants to know why he would be so kind and loving to so many people he didn’t even know, but so hurtful to the people closest to him. Why would he tell a 19 year old girl he was going to leave his wife for her? All these things need asking in time and should be discussed in time. Ultimately the pain the McNair family is feeling is not caused by the media for the most part, for the media outside of a few blogs like Pro Football Talk, is only reporting facts. They were caused by McNair’s actions that led to completely unpredictable and undeserved consequences, but nevertheless it was his actions that sadly led to this point.

I will always love and respect and even admire McNair, but not as much. One of the reasons I idolized him as a kid was because of his family man persona, and that has been revealed to be a sham. That’s not speculation, that’s just the truth. As a fan of McNair I want to know why he chose what he chose to do, and I don’t think that is unreasonable.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 16, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

to correct something

when i wrote “2) is it deserved?” I was referring to the hit his legacy has taken. Just to clarify.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 16, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more point

However, I completely respect the stance of this blog on the issue. Especially right after his death, it was such a comfort to come to this blog and commiserate with fellow Titans fans on a great one’s tragic passing. Thank you for that. I thank all of you.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 16, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

thoughts

the legacy issue:

his legacy never had anything to do with his strengths/weaknesses as a family man (honestly, we already knew he had children with multiple women, some out of wedlock).
he was a football player first, and a charitable community hero second. neither of those things have anything to do with his private life. his legacy was his PUBLIC life, at least to everyone other than his family. therefore i don’t see why private affairs should affect that public legacy, because his legacy never had anything to do with private acts. this is what separates him from the hypocritical mark sanford politicians who wrap themselves up in christian morality, family values and the “defense of marriage” in order to get votes, only to be sleeping around on their wives and families.
in short, none of us idolized mcnair because he was a great family man. we loved him because he played his guts out every sunday and because he worked tirelessly to bring some of his privilege to the under privileged. the fact that he was involved in some shameful sexual liaisons has nothing to do with those two main things that made us love him.

his perception and community work:

being an adulterer does not mean the food and supplies he drove down to new orleans didn’t exist. it also doesn’t mean all those children whom he paid the way for to come to his camps suddenly lose all memory of those events. is doesn’t mean that the checks he wrote to the boys and girls clubs suddenly bounced.
he still performed all those great acts. just because he had significant shortcomings with regards to his marriage doesn’t mean he wasn’t as generous as they come with the fame and fortune he made for himself. those contributions were first and foremost material, not symbolic or didactic. he wasn’t preaching or selling self help books. if a man is dying or thirst and starvation in the desert, and a drug-dealing, baby-shaking, puppy-kicking drunkard gives him bread and water, that man in the desert is no less nourished because he got that bread and water from a scumbag. mcnair’s contributions were concrete, and therefore cannot be changed simply because our opinion of his personal character has.

on turning a blind eye:

it’s simply impossible. no one who rooted for #9 could possibly suggest that these events haven’t shaken them. it’s simply the reality of scandal. he was clearly involved in immoral, deceitful acts which tragically cost him his life. no amount of blindness can cover that up. but this is not a family values blog. private behavior is relevant here only so far as it has material consequences for the titans organization. so when pacman is missing games for making it rain, it matters. or when the vikings love boat scandal, or the widespread criminal actions of the bengals call the overall image/character/integrity of an organization into question, it’s relevant. but the infidelities of a retired player, regardless of how high profile they become, fall into neither of those categories.

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by hal41605 on Jul 16, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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"I finished the game. In my mind, if I finished the game, I can play next week." - Steve McNair RIP

by Pinoy Titan on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

One point of contention:

We don’t actually know he told this girl he was leaving his wife for her.

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by Jimmy on Jul 17, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh okay. I kinda just assumed we knew since I've read it so many places?

Where did that report come from? Was it one of the relatives of the Kazemis? And point taken, but we do know McNair was going around and meeting the whole family at dinners, which is odd for a mistress of a married man.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 17, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some people...

Some people want a good juicy story. People aren’t perfect. I mean, when Michael Jackson died. People made a big memorial about him and only talked about the good things he as done. Which sure he’s done good things. But you hardly see anybody talk about- well, Michael was weird and did odd things and may have been with little boys and dangled his baby out a window. But Steve dies this way and everybody want to point fingers- to play a who done it game- a " I want to be a dective"-“lets play clue” type game. If Steve died later at his house or had a heart attack in a pool hall, even if he was still having affair(s) at the time, no one would say other wise. But because he goes like this the Media goes nuts because people like to dig deep into people’s personal flaws. I mean, we all have done things. If someone really wanted to they could bring up dirt on your own Mom and make her look like a bad person. It’s a Shame Steve went out the way he did, and left something for people to talk about.

by jmac1383 on Jul 17, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Strictly speaking, this is not SPORTS news.

McNair no longer plays for the Titans, and his off-field personal items have nothing to do with how the team will perform. I do not make the argument that his death will not have an effect on the team—the grief will play some part, I’m sure, though I do not know what that part will be. But the details of his personal life are: 1) well past us, 2) well outside the scope of the actual team’s organized activities.

I think we are in danger of confusing a man’s personal life with his professional life. If this stuff actually is “newsworthy”, then it is stuff for the Society Page. MCM, however, isn’t the Society Page, and honestly, if I wanted to read that sort of thing, I’d have gone to TMZ or someplace like that.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jul 17, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree.

I love the Titans and I loved Steve McNair, but I honestly could not care less what he or any other Titans players do when they’re not working towards winning Super Bowls. I would prefer they lead the lives of saints (especially to avoid suspensions), but I’m just a fan. I was interested initially in the details of McNair’s death because I think we all wondered “Why?”, but now that I know why and anything else is just plain gossip. I think it’s very professional and classy for Jimmy to stick to football news.

by theologic on Jul 17, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree

It’s not just plain gossip if proof is presented, and with the Tennessean, to this point, they have double and triple checked their sources and named them. They aren’t throwing crazy theories around.

And as to it belonging on the Society Page because McNair no longer plays for the team so it doesn’t affect the team I think is a really bad argument. He was a Sports Star, and so even after he retires that’s how he is covered, and should be. OJ Simpson trial is what it is because OJ Simpson was an ex-NFL Star. Otherwise, it’s just another homicide in a country with thousands of homicides that nobody cares about.

MCM as a blog and a very niche, specific team blog at that, has every right to not post and cover all the aspects that come up on the McNair case. But to call what the Tennessean has done as just plain gossip and deserving of the Society page is one of the lamest arguments I’ve heard for not covering this. It isn’t true. It does matter, and it has a bearing on things.

Hal explained it perfectly for me as to why MCM has chosen to cover the story as they had, and it’s brought me around. Probably because he is much, much smarter than I am, he seems to understand how to approach it as a fan. I am still struggling with that. But I do disagree in saying this has no bearing on anything and is fit only for TMZ and the Society Page. Once a Sports Star, always a Sports Star. That’s how it is. Jim Brown gets a bigger voice when speaking up for civil rights than other people because he is Jim Brown. Steve McNair was able to help and reach more lives in the wake of the Katrina disaster than say, someone like me did (I volunteered in a lot of things to help with that, just a reference point not bragging) because he is Steve McNair. The sword cuts both ways. His great deeds got lots of press coverage, as they should have. But so does his tragic death. That’s the way it goes.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't take it personal Posse

hal is smarter than all of us!

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Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Jul 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha I take no offense to it. I meant as in I am struggling with how to approach the McNair thing as a fan

I am more than at peace with Hal being much smarter than me. Many, many people are. And thank God, or we’d have a very dumb society that is overly obsessed with the Titans and boobs.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 17, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

you guys are too much

can’t i like the titans and boobs too?

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by hal41605 on Jul 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

But OJ's trial WASN'T covered in the Sports Section...

…and covering Jim Brown’s civil rights stuff in the Sports Section makes no sense.

Look at it this way, if McNair had mad a cameo in the new Harry Potter movie, would we cover that in the Sports Section? No. That is obviously Entertainment news, and so you cover it in Entertainment. The only difference here is that this is sad news not happy news.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually yes, both got covered in the Sports section and by sports media outlets

as well as other sections. Same thing here. And if McNair made a cameo in the Harry Potter movie, I’d bet you anything that the bulk of the coverage of his cameo would be in the Sports section.

I know of Jim Browns civil rights stuff from ESPN specials on it and reading it on Sports websites. The OJ thing was lit up by ESPN and, yes, the sports section of the Tennessean.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then those people are idiots.

I’m just frustrated because I personally have no desire whatsoever to follow the sordid details of another person’s personal life. Not McNair, Eddie George, the Pope… nobody. But if it’s here on the Main Page of MCM, then I’m sort of stuck having to see it and read about it. And regardless, I still say it’s gossip, straight up. It definitely IS NOT sports. You can tell because there isn’t a score, and there aren’t any winners.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jul 17, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, they're not idiots.

They put it in the section where the people who cared and related to the public figure pit affected would read it. The people who care and want to know about this McNair thing are sports fans. Same reason why the death of Michael Jackson was in the Entertainment section. Same reason why the trial of OJ was in sports, and the accusations at Michael Jackson were in the Entertainment section, and the sexual abuse cases of the Catholic Church were in the Religious section. It’s called common sense and it’s smart, not stupid.

If you personally don’t want to know the personal lives of people, that’s fine, and easily avoidable. It’s also commendable. But the Tennessean reports on McNair are not gossip. It doesn’t fit the definition of gossip, it isn’t presented like gossip, and just because it’s not sports doesn’t make it gossip. The Tennessean has been responsible and respectful while reporting this McNair thing.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jul 17, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is important to understand--and hal already hit on this

We have choices as fans. I may choose to be a fan of a player because of what he does on the field, and that does not mean that I approve of what he does off of the field. But I also have the right as a fan to not be a fan of someone BECAUSE I do not approve of what he does off of the field.

And for the record, I am not against this conversation, or any other conversations concerning #9 and his demise. I, however, will not stand for the “he deserved it” or “HE SUCKS” or “GET OVER IT11” garbage that we, unfortunately, have been subjected to, even if it was just for a brief time. That was the point of my earlier post.

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Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Jul 17, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

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