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Pretty Boy Quarterbacks: Ruining the Game

This is just something thats been eating at me for a long time, and since i am new to Music City Miracles i thought maybe i should make a post about something. Just as a warning, it's probably going to be a lot of rambling.

The problem of the pretty boy quarterback (PBQ) is something that is often overlooked by people that complain of media bias, but to some is clearly evident. (And by the way, this isn't about Brett Favre. While he may be a diva, he isn't exactly the PBQ type i'm talking about.)

The mother of all PBQs is obviously Tom Brady. Every year the patriots are picked for the super bowl. Much was made of their 16-0 record breaking season. Here is an example of the PBQ bias. Everyone knows the Titans went 13-3, with a great 10-0 start. What did we hear during it all? Easy schedule. Clearly their easy schedule. If only Kerry Collins was a bit prettier. Would someone kindly remind the media that Brady went 16-0 in a division with the 1-15 dolphins, the 4-12 jets, and the always 7-9 bills? He ran up the score agsint division opponents for those passing records. However, because Tom Brady is at the helm, and not random quarterback guy, it's clearly his quarterbacking prowess. Also, some of you may know they instituted a new rule where defenders can't dive at the legs of a quarterback after being blocked to the ground. Let's see if they make that rule if Tyler Thigpen goes down instead of Tom Brady. I won't even bring up the fumble that wasn't in the superbowl against the Raiders.

There are plenty of other quarterbacks that are beginning to be PBQs. Philip Rivers is clearly the #2, and Jay Cutler has been enhancing his PBQ status as of late. And every year it's the Chargers that are ready to take that superbowl step and now suddenly Chicago is a strong contender. And yet, somehow the team that manhandled the superbowl champions and only lost 1 player of importance is going to fall out of the playoffs? Really? I would almost guaruntee that if we had a media favorite PBQ that we would be preseason superbowl picks every time.

Now this has been pretty much a rant against them so far, but i do have points. These PBQs are ruining the game by denying the fans of non PBQ teams the fair and balanced coverage their team deserves. (See: Any power rankings made up by media writers. Also pre and post game shows have a tendency to talk more about the PBQ team). And the fact that a PBQ can change the game (have a rule/call made) because they are a PBQ completely undermines the integrity of the game.

This is a topic i have a very high hatred for, so if you find me crazy from this post, note that i am not this crazy on all things.

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*tuck rule play was the AFC championship game

otherwise spot on.

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by hal41605 on Jun 21, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

er, um divisional round

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is crazy.
The mother of all PBQs is obviously Tom Brady. Every year the patriots are picked for the super bowl. Much was made of their 16-0 record breaking season. Here is an example of the PBQ bias. Everyone knows the Titans went 13-3, with a great 10-0 start. What did we hear during it all? Easy schedule. Clearly their easy schedule. If only Kerry Collins was a bit prettier. Would someone kindly remind the media that Brady went 16-0 in a division with the 1-15 dolphins, the 4-12 jets, and the always 7-9 bills? He ran up the score agsint division opponents for those passing records.

Ummm…..Really? Tom Brady posted a quarterback rating of 117, the second highest in NFL history. He set the single season Passing TD record with 50. Kerry threw 12 last year. Not even a quarter of Brady’s. Yet, he had only one less interception. I don’t care who Brady was playing against. Those numbers are remarkable. Kerry’s, on the other hand, were about as average as you can get.

However, because Tom Brady is at the helm, and not random quarterback guy, it’s clearly his quarterbacking prowess

Yes.

There are plenty of other quarterbacks that are beginning to be PBQs. Philip Rivers is clearly the #2, and Jay Cutler has been enhancing his PBQ status as of late. And every year it’s the Chargers that are ready to take that superbowl step and now suddenly Chicago is a strong contender.

Have you taken a second to consider that it might have more to do with their excellent quarterback play, and less to do with their good looks? Per Football Outsiders, Rivers and Cutler were the third and fifth best quarterbacks in the league, respectively.

As for this:

And yet, somehow the team that manhandled the superbowl champions and only lost 1 player of importance is going to fall out of the playoffs? Really? I would almost guaruntee that if we had a media favorite PBQ that we would be preseason superbowl picks every time.

It is frustrating, but I don’t think it has to do with an absence of a glamour quarterback. Tennessee is a small market team, and let’s face it, they don’t have the ‘sexy’ play that the media loves. The bread and butter is boring games (to the casual fan) involving a lot of running and great defense.

by SuperHorn on Jun 21, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Thank you.

People always want to crap on Brady, but he was doing it for years before he had Randy Moss. When he won his first two rings, he had almost Titan-like WRs. Hell, for a while there DAVID GIVENS was his go-to guy. DAVID GIVENS!!!!!!!

I’ll give you Jay Cutler as a Pretty-boy QB, but Rivers has been pretty impressive, with minimal help at WR, and with almost no threat of a running game last year. LT was dismal. They lost Lorenzo Neal in FA. They lost one game SOLELY on the basis of Ed Hochuli’s mistaken call—a call he publicly admitted was badly blown. And, oh yeah, their best defensive player was out, too. And yet, the Chargers still not only made the playoffs—fluke though that was—they actually WON a playoff game, something the Titans could not do even with the top seed and a vaunted 13-3 record.

Rivers is a clown and a jerk. Still, it’s not like he’s out there making Viagra commercials, and he throwns a mean pigskin. No one can take that season away from him. And the fact that KC went to the Pro-Bowl, albeit at alternate, instead of Rivers, that my friends was a travesty. Rivers threw for almost 4,000 yards last year!

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of them are top quarterbacks.

But being a PBQ is all about the image/attitude that the quarterback presents. Oops, hit enter too soon

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even close

Brady is hyped up because he is that good. He’s light years ahead of Collins. Anyone who thinks Collins even remotely compares to Brady has some more football watching to do.

If you’re theory is true, Jesse Palmer would have been a media-hyped QB, and many articles would be written how he should be back in the league.

The Titans are overlooked because of the market. That’s it. It has nothing to do with this pretty boy quarterback crap. Some QB’s personal lives are followed by the media more because of looks, but they normally don’t get free passes for being bad. Furthermore, their teams don’t get extra special consideration as a whole either. Manning and the Colts have often been hyped up before the season begins as well. Why? Because when you have a great QB in Manning, you always have a chance. Likewise, if you have a guy like Brady, you always have a chance.

And really, Jay Cutler is a “pretty boy?” That’s pushing it.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 21, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

People follow Brady's private life because he bangs the hottest women in the world.

Four Super Bowl rings also add to their interest in him.

DannoE

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did he get his 4th?

And he won the first 2 because of his kicker….just sayin’

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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh... what's a Super Bowl between friends?

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is quick to put words in my mouth (post?)

Nowhere did i say they weren’t good quarterbacks. Nowhere did i say Kerry Collins is in any way equal to Tom Brady. And PBQ doesn’t mean looks in particular, more general image/attitude of the person.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 21, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I get what you're saying man.

Brady is a good QB, but he gets a lot of positive coverage because he’s super marketable. The media wants him to succeed because he’s a good face for the NFL. Same with LeBron and Kobe in the NBA. Tiger Woods in Golf.

by theologic on Jun 21, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See above.

I didn’t put words in your mouth. I responded to each of your comments.

But, to your point, the most marketed person in the NFL, Peyton Manning, looks like a turd. Like all the other guys mentioned above, he gets his love from the media because he is excellent at what he does.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as many hate Peyton Manning

He’s not much of a PBQ (Except maybe in his commercials). There are ways to be in the media without being one, but so many times they have whole PBQ attitude. Pretty Boy was probably the wrong term to use because everyone jumped to looks, but i couldn’t think of a better one to describe the attitude and image of these guys.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure the term is material

Look, you can not like them. And, that’s fine. But, to suggest that they are getting any extra credit just because of their looks/attitude is a stretch.

The guys you’ve mentioned above are all top 5 quarterbacks. The reason Tyler Thigpen and the like don’t get much credit is because they aren’t good, not because they aren’t ‘hip’.

Here’s an exercise for you: Give me a quarterback that is getting too much credit based on him being PBQ and isn’t good.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes NO sense.

Manning may or may not be “pretty.” I really have no idea and less interest. BUT he makes more commercials than any other two players in the League combined. If that’s not acting like a “pretty-boy”, then cleary I have no idea what you’re talking about.

DannoE

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manning hardly acts like a "pretty boy"

even in his commercials. He does so many commercials and is marketable based on his willingness to be a dork. He’s a dork and he’s ok with that. He has a good sense of humor and is self-depricating. That’s hardly acting like a PBQ.

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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true enough.

And look, it’s not like he doesn’t deserve the attention. That said, the guy is not the “quiet, humble field general” out there. He’s the best at what he does, and he rides it off the field to purposefully build an image outside of football.

I don’t have a problem with it, but the effect is one—probably the only one IMHO, save possibly Romo—that actually fits the specifics of the poster’s comments.

DannoE

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure we were putting words in your mouth at all

You said quite clearly you felt these alleged pretty boys were ruining the game because of imbalanced coverage in favor of their teams. I’m saying that they get football coverage based on their skills. Now, if you want to argue that it gets annoying that the media follows around their personal lives, than I’m with you. But if you’re going to try to argue that the actual football attention they receive is unmerited, I can’t agree. You clearly insinuated that if Kerry Collins was “a bit prettier,” he and the Titans would get more preseason hype. I respectfully disagree. If he was 7 years younger and just came off a season throwing 25 touchdowns and he got overlooked like that, then I’d see your point. That’s not exactly the case.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and by the way

Running up the score against terrible teams does not = being great.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 21, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In this case, yes it does.

He set an NFL record. I don’t think anyone else in the league could have done that other than Peyton Manning.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly set an NFL record. And he's a great QB.

I just wish people would put it more into perspective when they talk about it. Going up 56-10 against the bills and other games like that are things he did to set that record when other teams tend to kind of lay off after going up by 30 points.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, the guy was great long before he had any WRs.

You tell me who Brady was throwing to during that first Super Bowl?

And it’s not like it was a run-first/only team. The Pats that year had been mediocre at best until Bledsoe went out and Brady came in. Brady came on, and it was like flipping a switch. The guy is just that good, I’m sorry to say it, but it’s true.

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

For whatever reason…..no one wants to praise the titans when they win….prime example… the titans showed the nation last year that they were legit by stomping the steelers…but since we stomped on the towel at the end…that gave the media something to talk about besides how great we played.

I was so pissed.

by zero defects on Jun 21, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I get what he is saying.

I think the choice of words was a little off but I get the intent. I am pretty sure that the complaint here is how much coverage the poster boys get that has nothing to do with talent. He just happened to pick the top dogs in his example.

Try this one. Carson Palmer vs. Tom Brady with injuries. Carson Palmer is a good QB stuck on a crap team, but the man has skills. He isn’t the poster boy of the NFL like Brady is though. While Palmer is otu hurt you get the occasional press update on his injury and maybe the odd appearance or so. While Brady is out he can’t wipe his ass without making media headlines about it because he is a “Poster Boy”.

Brady is the best and deserves all the credit that goes along with that. The problem is he is in the hedlines for everything and only half of that has anything remotely to do with Football. When our wives and daughters go all crazy because some star marries another or a new couple shows up we look at them like they are stupid, but when Tom Brady or Eli or Payton are a part of that couple most football fans are just as bad. Let them have their commericals and get the credit they deserve because of the skills on the field… leave ll the rest of the junk out of the headlines. I think that is what the point was.

An off thought though… since everything VY says or does gets him in the headlines even though he is still a backup, dos that mean he is a “PBQ” ???

by Titan in WV on Jun 22, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Romo is another example.

He is mediocre. He is far from a “pretty boy”. But he is in the headlines constantly because of who he dates because he is a “poster boy”.

by Titan in WV on Jun 22, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because he's on the Cowboys.

That franchise is an anomaly.

As for Carson Palmer, I think you hit the nail on the head, he’s on a terrible team. It’s not his looks. It’s the lack of talent around him.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Titan in WV

That is what i mean. I just have terrible word choice.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And nobody has responded to Tom Brady getting his own rule

It wasn’t the first time that kind of injury happened to a player. Just the first time the foremost poster boy was injured.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have a valid point.

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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 22, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I conur with you on that one.

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by gramsey712 on Jun 22, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

But, I think if it happened to Peyton Manning, they would have done the same thing.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely yes

which would make it just as despicable.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bit hypocritical

for Titans fans to criticize QBs who receive too much “hype”. Vince Young received way too much hype, and if he had had a decent year in ‘07 and played last year, he’d be a star right now. He made it on the cover of Madden in a year he threw more INTs than TDs. The only reason we don’t have a “PBQ” as you call it is because he regressed in ‘07 and didn’t play in ‘08. Think if our QB Kerry Collins replaced was Chris Simms, we’d be seeing him on interviews with Michael Smith?

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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 22, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Horns fan

Even I would be a bit hesitant to call Vince Young “pretty” :).

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

@TheElusiveShadow

Vince Young is just as “pretty” as Phillip Rivers, who looks like the Pillsbury doughboy, or Cutler. His qualifications would’ve fit VY perfectly had he played better.

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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 22, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was one to not buy into the VY hype

People were looking at one game and just don’t realize that quarterbacks that run just don’t work for long. I think people are quicker to try and put qualifiers on the success of those that aren’t poster boys (Kerry Collins wasn’t great, but you’d be a fool to not call the season successful at the time) but when the poster boy quarterbacks are doing successful NOBODY mentions any qualifiers such as easy schedule, good defense, what have you.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a difference, though.

Kerry was successful in the sense that he did what he was supposed to…protect the ball. He didn’t exactly carry the team. Brady did. That’s the difference.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady hardly carried the team

Maybe the offense. Their defense sure didn’t have any problems.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I don’t really understand your comment. Are you suggesting Brady should play both sides of the ball?

Football Outsiders has the 2007 Patriots defense as the 7th best in the league. Their offense was #1 by a WIDE margin. Their DVOA was 40% (ie. they would be expected to score 40% more points than the average NFL team). He did carry his team. And, if it wasn’t evident at the time, it was abundantly clear when he went down in 2008.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying you can't say a QB carries the team when they have a good defense.

Also, i wouldn’t call an 11-5 season “abundantly clear” that Tom Brady was all they had.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you SuperHorn

I think Brady is totally legitimate, I don’t see how anybody could argue anything else. 50 TDs is 50 TDs. Think Peyton didnt run up the score the year he threw 49? Go take a look. It’s the NFL, if you can’t keep the other team from scoring 56, its not their responsibility to hold off.

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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 22, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes the qb carried a team

with number 1, 2, and 6 ranked defenses, all ranked higher than the offense those year. that tom brady is friggin LETHAL when he blitzes off the edge, and man can he turn a game around faster than a sunuvagun with a big interception and td return. he led an offense that was stealing defensive signals, that’s what he led.

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"he led an offense that was stealing defensive signals, that’s what he led."

This is why I will never give Brady or Belichick any credit whatsoever.

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by gramsey712 on Jun 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the things that kills me about brady, as someone who has had to live in boston for the last 4 years:

is that each of his 3 rings was built on the back of incredibly stingy, opportunistic, playmaking defenses. guys like ty law, vrabel, seymour, harrison, bruschi, mcginest, roman phifer, asante samuel, tyrone poole, and vince wilfork, should be remembered up their with the steel curtain years. yet it’s all about tom brady “carrying his team” to the super bowl and other such bs. the one year where the offense was better than the defense, well, we all know what happened. the GREATEST OFFENSE OF ALL TIME put up a whopping 14 points in the super bowl, yet no mention of brady choking, even though his last 2 playoff exits CERTAINLY qualify (21-6 halftime collapse against the colts also in 06 as well). also, he fumbled the game away against the raiders in the 2001 divisional rouind, yet was gifted a second chance (by a stupid technicality that was immediately changed after the season) and his kicker cashed it in. but no, he is the MOST CLUTCHEST ATHLETE EVAH!!!!

and let us not forget, ladies and gents, that we know his coach was stealing defensive signals, which would have gone straight to his ear and made his job infinitely easier. people talked about what it meant for belichick’s legacy, but it was astonishing how no one in the mainstream media could put two and two together and see that it also calls brady’s achievements into question. if a QB (and his OC calling the plays) knows exactly what a defense is about to do, it’s shooting fish in a barrel out there.

brady is a very good qb who was put in the most perfect situation imaginable: great playmaking defenses, a killer front office, and a cheater/genius head coach. but there are at least 20 other qbs from the last 15 years who could have performed just as well given the same support. he fumbled the game away against the raiders in 2001, yet was gifted a second chance that his kicker cashed in.

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i hate hitting post accidentally

 last sentence should be deleted. WHERE THE HELL IS THE EDIT BUTTON?? we say this all the time, but seriously, even third-rate, rat hole message boards have an edit feature.

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, Hal, you cannot tell me that Bledsoe was gonna lead them to the Promised Land that year.

And his is a better than average QB.

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by DannoE on Jun 22, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To say 15 or 20 QBs would do what Brady has done, I disagree

By this argument Joe Montana wasn’t much of a QB. Tom Brady in regards to coolness in the pocket, decision making, managing a game, and accuracy is up there with some of the greatest. And I HATE Tom Brady. But lets not be stupid. 3 out of 4 Superbowls. Most years with a shit receiving core. When he got a good one he threw for 50 TDs. I refuse to believe just any other QB could do that. Brady may not be Brady without Belichick, but Belichick isnt Belichick without Brady. and Bill Walsh isnt Bill Walsh without Joe Montana, and Mike Shannahan without John Elway, and on and on. Multiple Superbowl winning teams have great QBs, except for the one anomaly, the Joe Gibbs Redskins.

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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 22, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i said very good. he is very good.

bledsoe was pretty average at that point. what im trying to say and what i think this whole post is really about, is how the media can pick out one guy, because of his position, outward appearance, attitude, whatever, and turn him into the end all be all of his team, when the truth is the pats defense and their kicker are what really made those teams great. winning with mediocre receivers is a lot easier when you know what coverages are coming, too.

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hal hit it right on the head

You have to be able to put all talent in perspective. I just feel the perspective is left out when talking Brady, Manning, Rivers, or whoever it may be.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the way it goes, though.

If the QB is worth anything, he will always get more credit than he deserves. He also takes more blame than he deserves when things go bad. That’s just the way it is.

It’s not worth arguing about how much he’s worth to his team, because that’s fairly subjective.

My point is that the credit he is given is almost entirely due to his performance on the field. Plug in any quarterback in the NFL into the same situation with the same stats and the media love fest will be the same, regardless of looks or attitude.

by SuperHorn on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his performance on the field

and those uber-sexy brokeback mountain photos in GQ!

i totally agree that it’s the way it is in general. sports journalism is lazy, and like so much in the general media, they try to condense things into the most simplistic terms possible, which leads to something like this: effective QBs who win on great teams= great qbs. i just think that in reality, it’s so much more complicated than that. i would say, though, that any qb, just by the nature of the game, has less control than say, a starting pitcher in baseball, or a really good center in basketball, or a great goalie in hockey. there is just so much going on in football, and so many players who can change a game. qbs have to have so many other good people around them in order to ever look good. those other positions i mentioned can dominate a game regardless of what else is going on around them. you just cant say that about qbs.

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THis is all true. This is why football is the ultimate team sport BUT...

Of all the positions n the NFL, QB is the single most important and the one that most determines in football who wins the game. And I think over a career, one can begin to tell how good or bad an actual QB is. I think Brady to Cassell is a great example. Brady is roughly 5 wins better than Cassell, who I would consider an average QB. That makes sense to me, and 5 wins is a whole hell of a lot. Consider how Kerry Collins gets a lot of love from a lot of people for his season last year, and he was only 3 wins better than Vince Young, and its probably more like 2 to 2.5 wins.

The Vikings are another example. I think everyone could admit if the Vikings had a probowl level QB like Drew Brees or Jay Cutler the past two years, they’re a 12-14 win team both years.

Also, there are types of QBs in the NFL for good teams. There are some where they are asked to just play within themselves and not screw it up. Kerry Collins fits this profile. Trent Dilfer did in Baltimore, Joe Flacco did in Baltimore, Brad Johnson with the Bucs, and even to some extent Troy Aikman with the Cowboys. His stats were not remarkable.

Then there is the QB who is a weapon and expected to win the game for them. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are at the top, because if these two don’t play well, their team most likely loses, especially Brees. Brady was in the first category early in his career, but he is in this category now, and deservedly so. Favre is in this category, even now. And Vince Young is in this category to some extent. I don’t think you can ever stick Vince in as a game manager. He is a playmaker style QB. These QBs will always get more attention than one can say they deserve because more is put on their shoulders.

So, I guess my point is this: Quarterbacks may get more credit and more blame than they deserve, but they still are the most important part of a game and have more influence than any other player on the field consistently. And because of this, they will always be overhyped because stars sell in America, and the NFL knows this, so it makes sure their stars get marketed. If we ever get a big-time star, it’ll be the same here. He’ll get marketed non-stop and at Titans games his jersey will be the predominant one found in the stands. So, I just think it’s easy to point out the flaws in the system when we don’t have a great QB, but if we ever get one, Fan Posts and Fan Shots will be dominated by material on that player. So let’s not be too hasty in casting the first stone.

T-Rac's Posse - Just do it. T-Rac wants you to.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 22, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hal, you're going to drive yourself crazy like that.

I mean, look, I can appreciate how you feel. It’s a complicated world, but most people try to understand it in soundbyte terms. They look for the pat, non-challenging answer. They want it to be simple. And it’s even more frustrating when the supposed learned sources also start dumbing it down, making it look like people who ought to know better really don’t. You can very quickly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE IS A FREAKIN’ IDIOT! And that’s not true, though the number of people who can sit down and honestly, rationally think for themselves is—and always has been—small.

But then, this whole debate shouldn’t be about the QBs. It should be about the coverage. And I think we all already knew that most of the coverage is crap. Media-guys are writers first and subject-matter experts second. As a facet of plain writing, they look for a way to make the complicated relatable. That way is often via QB play because, bottom line, an idiot can see when a pass play works well: one guy throws and the other guy catches.

Two things sell: sex and the lowest common denominator. Beyond that, you have to get into really specialized media in order to learn anything.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 23, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i will just quote your sig on this one

and hope that i’m not the only one.

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by hal41605 on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

I’m not much of a Beetles fan, but that song really speaks to me. ’Course, I like the Tool version better, but the words are all the same.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big fan here.

Minor correction. Beatles is spelled with an A. And, ‘Imagine’ was a John Lennon song post-Beatles.

by SuperHorn on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

See… told you I’m not much of a fan!

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you already in line for the beatles version of rock band, superhorn?

cuz i know my dad is.

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by hal41605 on Jun 23, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I am probably bias and irrational about this particular subject, but i wanted to incite some discussion in these boring summer months and become a regular commenter of sorts.

Who doesn't want to be a promiscuous dope fiend?

by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well you already have the best screen name on here

so that’s a start!

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by hal41605 on Jun 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah

Thank you for that. Though i’m sure that there are more people who don’t know what it is than those that do.

Who doesn't want to be a promiscuous dope fiend?

by BonzosMontreaux on Jun 22, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I just can't stay away from this topic

no qb beats Tom Brady for looks or skills in my book. He is a great looking guy, if he couldn’t play football I would love to watch him on prime time in a drama or CSI or whatever, he has got it. Kerry Collins does not come close, sorry Kerry, I like how you play, but you are not superhot.

Joy Kat

by Joy kat on Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Argh!

Reading the word “superhot” to describe an NFL player just made my eyes bleed!

by Titan in WV on Jun 24, 2009 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JK, you sound like the girls over at the Cycling Forum.

The occasional discussion of a race mixed with endless mooning over this or that European bike dude. But my main complaint is this: it’s fine to oggle the guys, but they should spend equal time covering women’s cycling; oggling can be an equal-opportunity exercise.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 24, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The return of Joy Kat!

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.

by Jimmy on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joy Kat Redux!

Official MCM Hater!
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by gramsey712 on Jun 24, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite Brady picture:

Personally, not my cup of tea, thankyouverymuch.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 24, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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