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Oddly enough, the term 'mentally deficient' doesn't make it in there, but maybe we're supposed to just assume that based upon the reasoning Matt Williamson gives... I mean, who really thinks that that a single team on our schedule last year was SURPRISED BY HOW MUCH WE RAN THE BALL? Then how could they possibly be selling-out more against the run? How can you call our opening game against the Steelers 'brutal' when we stomped them literally and figuratively just a few months ago?

This a pretty good argument against looking at these divisional-oriented writers as full-on NFL analysts. Matt Williamson obviously knows as much about the Titans as Mary Hoge could drivel to him.

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I don't agree with him but...

At least he was able to answer the question with complete thoughts. When I read the title, I half expected his response to be “duh… I dunno. Who are the Titans again?”

I can respect that he doesn’t expect Collins to be able to do it again next year.

by theologic on Jun 1, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

17 is too low

But, what this guy is saying isn’t Peter King crazy.

I don’t know if Haynesworth is going to be a huge success in Washington, but I am sure that he will be drastically missed in Tennessee. I do like their young D-Linemen and I am not taking anything away from the guys who will see action, but no one is like Haynesworth during the past two seasons. He just demands so much attention, is incredibly disruptive in both the run and pass game and makes the other 10 defensive players’ job much easier.

That’s pretty spot on. And, Kerry had a career year last season. I don’t think an improvement, or even repeat performance from him is likely.

Still, though, 17 is way to big of a dropoff.

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

respectfully disagree

I think this statement is disrespectful of what KVB brings to the D.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If healthy. And that's a big IF.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 2, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being a Texans fan and a Titan-hater

I still have to say that 17 is ridiculous. Sure, losing Fat Albert will hurt, but I still don’t think the Titans will have a dramatic dropoff next year. A dropoff – yeah, but not a big one.

by HoustonDiehards on Jun 1, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Titan-hater

Vy for DeMeco Ryans straight up….would u bite?

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. That would be the most lopsided trade in sports history

I’m a big UT fan, but I never wanted VY on the Texans.

You don’t actually think that’s anything remotely resembling a fair trade, right?

by HoustonDiehards on Jun 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, but...

Their front office might be. No team except the Raiders has spent more money for fewer results.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just completely inaccurate

I mean, if you’re talking about the previous regime (2002-2005) then sure, but not the current guys. Sure we struck out on Ahman Green and Anthony Weaver, but a ton of the middle of the road FAs have worked out well.

by HoustonDiehards on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Titans 17th

Assuming is a huge part in predicting pre-preseason rankings…Naturally we’re to assume Kerry isn’t going to put up the numbers he did last season…but whats the difference in assuming that, and saying Peyton gets hurt tomorrow during OTA’s…that puts the Colts at 30th in my poll. I understand the next response is going to be “track records” and such…but if i remember correctly nobody dropped the steelers 10 or so spots “assuming” Roethlisberger chose not to wear a helmet and ride a motorcycle…he had a pretty good “track record” before that….look, all i’m saying is we should put a lil more focus on last seasons numbers and not so much in “what ifs”…after all…“what if” we chose anyone not named Chris Johnson last draft? Just sayin…Keep it Blue, Even on a sunny day Titans….always keep it Blue!

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is crazy
Naturally we’re to assume Kerry isn’t going to put up the numbers he did last season…but whats the difference in assuming that, and saying Peyton gets hurt tomorrow during OTA’s

There is an enormous difference. Kerry put up his 3rd best QB rating of his career last year. To expect the same numbers as last year isn’t realistic from a 35 year old journeyman QB. Contrast that with Peyton who hasn’t missed a start in 169 games, second only to Brett Favre.

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats an honest statement….so now we can compare character? Roethlisberger is riskier on the street than peyton is on the field? Your missing my point….can we really knock a guy who’s been in the league for what seems like 25 years and manages to some how put up his 3rd best qb rating of his “entire” career….so what your saying is that its more predictable for Kerry to flop than Peyton to ride a horse and get his knee crushed (god forbid, I always wanna beat them at their best)? Cause nobody saw Ben motocrush into pavement and barely make it back. I understand that numbers rule, but assuming Kerry’s gonna flop (which may very well happen) but we lose 14 spots because he’s coming off a year which a system finally fits him? I get the age and bull….i just find it hard to believe you lose ground after a career year….i dont get it!

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that numbers rule, but assuming Kerry’s gonna flop (which may very well happen) but we lose 14 spots because he’s coming off a year which a system finally fits him? I get the age and bull….i just find it hard to believe you lose ground after a career year….i dont get it!

It should be just the opposite. When you have a career year, we should expect a regression to the mean. I feel like I’m living in bizarro world! I mean this is crazy.

Speaking of Peyton Manning. Just ask him, he set the world on fire in 2004. Every year after that his rating has regressed back closer to his average.

so what your saying is that its more predictable for Kerry to flop than Peyton to ride a horse and get his knee crushed

YES! Is this some kind of a joke? Where’s Ashton Kutcher?

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I'm at it...
can we really knock a guy who’s been in the league for what seems like 25 years and manages to some how put up his 3rd best qb rating of his "entire" career

Most people aren’t knocking him. In my case, I’m living in reality. It’s nothing against the guy. If anything, it works to his advantage. Putting up these lofty expectations for him will put undue pressure on him. Expectations were zero last year, and there was still a QB controversy going into the Steelers game.

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it not possible

that playing for the titans is why kerry did so well last year? cuz that’s exactly how i explain it at least. when a savvy vet takes over a system that plays to his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses, it only makes sense that he would have some of the best numbers of his career. he’s still playing for the the titans next year, so why is it so improbable that he will duplicate, or even improve on last year’s performance? kerry had a LOT of baggage off the field early in his career that he has taken care of. last year, to me, is the most important indicator for next year.

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Jun 1, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Especially considering...

The improvement at WR and a full year on the Offense. To say “He had his 3rd best QB rating of his career last year so he will most likely flop…” I don’t buy it. 3rd best is not AMAZING. His rating was not off the charts, his stats were not off the charts. To expect the same performance or a similar performance is not unreasonable.

www.tracsposse.com - A bomb-diggity blog on the Titans.

by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The WR core isn't that much of an upgrade.

And, nowhere did I say he will flop. I’m just saying that expecting a performance better/equal to than his 3rd best when he’s in the twilight of his career seems a bit optimistic.

And, we’re in agreement about his rating/stats not being off the charts. But, for him, it was a career year.

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

!

If you can’t see that Nate Washington, Britt, Guice, and Cook are a MASSIVE upgrade over B Jones and JUSTIN MCCAIRENS, you probably watch football for the pretty colors.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What football are you watching?

Nate Washington’s stats aren’t that much better than Brandon Jones. It’s an upgrade for sure. But, the guy was a #3 receiver on the team.

As for the rest, how many rookies have you seen put up big numbers their first year? It’s few and far between. Good production is a bonus out of a rookie WR in year one.

This comment is laughable at best. Nate Washington is the only player of the bunch we’ve even seen play in an NFL game. Guice wasn’t even drafted, and you’re ready to call him an upgrade over Brandon Jones?

by SuperHorn on Jun 2, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh.

so you’re one of those stat guys who can’t evaluate football based on what you see? (you don’t have to answer; it’s obvious)

I watched every snap of the Titans last year and when they threw to mccairens I winced.

You don’t have to put up big numbers to be an upgrade over what we had last year. Look it up.

As for your last question, absolutely!

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point.

First of all

I watched every snap of the Titans last year

Me too.

You don’t have to put up big numbers to be an upgrade over what we had last year.

I think we may be arguing about the same thing. Yes, I think the receivers are an upgrade. It would be damn near impossible to not get an upgrade over last years group. But, I just don’t think the upgrade is as significant as people want to make it.

by SuperHorn on Jun 2, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

we both want the same thing. we’ll have to wait and see if we get it.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

brandon jones

was the text book definition of mediocre. at no point in time was he ever a threat to change a game. THAT is what washington, britt, cook, and hopefully also edison and guice bring to the table. we are no longer showing up to a gun fight with nerf darts. we actually have talented, dangerous player on offense, or at least those with potential to be such. that is a massive upgrade over the worst regular rotation WR in the league (mccairens), the lazy, effort -averse rookie (hawkins) and boring incarnate (b. jones).

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Jun 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, though.

I don’t see how you can call something a “massive upgrade” without ever seeing them set foot on an NFL field. It would be similar to calling Mike Williams a “massive upgrade” based solely on potential.

I hope these guys have a huge impact, but I don’t think expecting big things out of Edison and Guice is all that different than expecting the same out of Chris Davis and Paul Williams last year.

All that said, I think any of these guys would be an upgrade over McCairens. Davis and Williams included.

by SuperHorn on Jun 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"massive uprgarde" may be too strong

but it was really bad last year. really really. i do think the guys we have now will be a lot better than what we had last year. potential upside is a big upgrade over known suckitude/mediocrity.

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Jun 2, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couple of things

1) I think we face a more difficult schedule this year and lost the best player in football. Rarely, did Kerry have to carry the team or play from behind. I suspect that he will deal with more difficult situations this year, which will force him to be more than a game manager.

2)

last year, to me, is the most important indicator for next year.
This is true for most QBs. Eventually, though, age will take its toll. It just seems unlikely that in what may be his final year he will put up career numbers. That rarely happens.

3)

so why is it so improbable that he will duplicate, or even improve on last year’s performance?

It’s not “so improbable”. It could happen, and I wouldn’t be absolutely shocked. But, if I’m going to Vegas and betting the over/under on Kerry’s QB rating based on last year, I’m taking the under every time. You wouldn’t?

by SuperHorn on Jun 1, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now your back tracking

No sir….Brett Favre’s still out there huh? I rest my case…..

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He posted a rating of 81 last year

There is a distinction between playing and playing well.

by SuperHorn on Jun 2, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to TitanStrong6

Thanx to my the peeps that understand….welcome aboard hal41605

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hal41605

Exactly my point! Welcome to TitanStrong6!

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might want to specify which comment you're talking about, or quote the part you're talking about

You have 3 posts right above this that all say thank you

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Im new to this..again i apologize….very passionate when it comes to my Titans……most of it is towards SuperHorn…..he’s seems like a nice Titan fan…

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most people

You must know something us Titans fans don’t

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt and Matt = Football knowledge at it's fullest

Matt Willamson and Matt Millen….hmmm…not feelin the first name “Matt” right now….Keep it Blue baby…always keep it Blue!

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anything outside of the top 10 is ludicrous

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Jun 1, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm an MCM first timer

Can somebody text me/call me and explain how to do this….281-854-8108….cant wait to hear from you SuperHorn……thanks everybody

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by TitanStrong6 on Jun 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I got lost in some of the back-and-forth up there, but...

I think it’s VERY fair to call what KC did last year “system quarterbacking.” He played behind a strong O-Line, with a very strong running game, and though he had a few games where he had to throw a lot, he ALWAYS threw against a defense that was stacked against the RUN first. Because, look, if the other team backed that 8th guy out of the box, it was an easy audible to hand it to CJ, and he was an incredible breakaway threat last year against EVERYONE.

Bottom line, a large measure of KC’s success came because he was consistently throwing against Cover 3. I’m not knocking the guy by saying that, either. I’m merely explaining how a 35-year-old guy could suddenly have a breakout year.

And no, KC is not and never will be Peyton Manning, who certainly doesn’t need the other team to stay in Cover 3 to be successful. But if the Titans can again protect with their O-Line—and there is no reason to think that they cannot—and if they can again run the ball effectively—and again there is no reason to think that they won’t be able to, and in fact, it looks like they may actually be BETTER in the run with the addition by subtraction of replacing Chris Henry—then we can reasonably expect KC to have another good year. Because arm-strength is the last thing to go on a QB and because if you decide, “Hey, I’m afraid of KC passing on us, so let me move back to a standard Cover 2,” then CJ will ASSUREDLY torch your defense.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 2, 2009 6:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but...

I also agree with what Superhorn originally said. 17 is way too low and the guy is wrong, but he’s not Peter King crazy.

by theologic on Jun 2, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agreed with that, too.

Like you, I thought most of his logic was sound, particularly the piece about Big Albert Haynesworth. The part that I disagreed with was this idea that teams would be “ready for” Kerry Collins. In that sense, he’s a system QB, i.e. if you’re “ready” for KC, then the odds are that you’re also “ready” to let CJ run for a buck-fifty on you.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 2, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I don't understand.

I’m not sure I quite get the whole “Kerry Collins had a career year in 2008” argument. Yes, he went to the Pro Bowl, and yes he was the leader of a team that went 13-3. And he even won a few games for us with his arm. But that’s the whole idea behind a quarterback.

The thing that really stood out for me about Kerry last season was his leadership on the field. His passing numbers weren’t otherworldly (23rd in yards and QB rating, 25th in TDs). Is it really so absurd that with an improved receiving corps and a potentially improved rushing attack (with a slimmed down LenDale and a more seasoned and hungrier CJ) to think that Collins will surpass his production in 2008 without an equal rise in turnovers? I’m not saying that I think Collins will magically throw for 30 or even 20 TDs this year with fewer than 10 picks, but I think it’s absurd to say that Collins can’t do any better than he did last year. There’s no reason to think that his leadership or judgment will be any less than it was last year, and the offense surrounding him has only gotten better. If you want to downgrade the Titans, do so on account of the loss of Albert, not because of the offense.

by Knox the Fox on Jun 2, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's what *I* don't understand...

I agree with your entire post. But what I don’t understand is that last year, unlike the previous year, we actually played WELL without Haynesworth. We even played well on D without Al and KVB. We’re all speculating, but I don’t see the loss as that huge.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

But it was only one game, and that one against probably the worst O-Line to ever win a playoff game—much less the Superbowl.

 Albert was a huge force last year, and as much as we all want to see the Titans move on without missing a step, it’s still legitimate to remark on his absence. Until we see the proof that he can and has been successfully replaced, this will be a very real question mark. Can J. Jones replace him for one or two games? Probably. But can he do it for SIXTEEN? That’s a legitimate question.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 2, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

But, HAYNESWORTH has never played 16 games!! Or an overriding majority of any 1 game for that matter.

And Pitt’s Oline wouldn’t get NEARLY as much flak as it does if Worthlessburger didn’t hold onto the ball for so long.

by joshuaboone on Jun 2, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played about 60% of the snaps in 14 regular season and 1 playoff game.

You can twist that however you want, but it is still a major contribution.

I disagree about Rothlesburger. Yes, he holds the ball. No that doesn’t make Pittsburgh’s O-Line worse. Those guys were not good at all, and a lesser QB wouldn’t have enabled them even to look average.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jun 2, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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