Tennessee Titans Agree to Terms with Patrick Ramsey
Discussion point: Does this say anything about the organization's view of Vince Young?
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Uh, no.
I don’t think Vince has anything to worry about.
VY has a ROY award and the cover of Madden.
Patrick Ramsey has nothing but another 3rd string job
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 3, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Madden cover really means a lot
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by Jimmy on Apr 3, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay mr. smarty pants
I said that to show that VY has a track record of accomplishment. Ramsey has nothing
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol "track record of accomplishment"
you mean sub 60% completion, 10 more picks than TDs, a QB rating under 70, and 0 seasons with a DVOA better than -5.
VY is/has been all potential, no production.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you weren't saying that
when he led the Titans to the comeback victory against the Giants? Or maybe his game winning run against the Texans?
I don’t remember anyone winning the ROY award with no production. Do you?
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 3, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
51.5% completion, more picks than TDs, 66.7 QB rating
he was all hype. He’s a QB who can’t pass (or charitably. Can’t pass yet).
Addai, MJD and Colston all deserved OROY more
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say he was ALL hype
but there was a lot of hype involved. My point is, of course we would all love to have the VY from that season, but until he does something to show that he still has that in him, he is not even a decent option for this team.
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by Jimmy on Apr 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was his better season by far
his second year he regressed as a runner, and didn’t improve as a passer (jump in comp% canceled up by jump in INTs)
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after the quad injury
it was like he was afraid to run. if he’s not running at least some of the time, he’s damn near worthless.
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by hal41605 on Apr 4, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should be qualified though
it’s easy to talk about how bad he was that 2nd year, but the deck has been stacked against him the whole time he has been here, with no weapons and norm chow. if it hadn’t been for that whole soap opera at the beginning of last season, i would be fairly optimistic about his chances to work his way back onto the field and succeed when he has guys like CJ, Nate Washignton, a contract year LDW and hopefully Torry Holt. i just don’t know if he has the fortitude to get back up after flaming out like that.
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by hal41605 on Apr 4, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where are the rushing TDs?
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 4, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He scored
10 TD’s rushing over his first two years, but if we are going to include them, then we’ve got to include his 22 fumbles as well.
by furrycolt on Apr 4, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and guess how many fumbles Patrick Ramsey has...
25 fumbles and 14 lost
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 4, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And guess what
Fumble recovery is completely random.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Apr 5, 2009 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY
not just a Titans fan that understands statistics, an FO reader.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's completely random, why keep track of it?
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 5, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a better desciption would be, "fumble recovery is a non-repeatable skill"
some players fumble the ball more than others, some players force fumbles more often than others, no players have been shown to recover fumbles at a rate better or worse than average from season to season, or game to game.
To answer your question specifically, because fumbles lost effect a game’s outcome. That a player lost a fumble doesn’t tell you anything more about their abilities than just knowing they did fumble, but it does tell an important detail of the game it happened in.
For why it’s in individual player stats, why are walks not counted as ABs and why were they disregarded in the main evaluation of hitters (batting average) for most of the history of the game? Because the box scores were created at a time were their importance (or un-importance in the case of fumbles lost) wasn’t yet recognized.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your answer on why it's on the individual player stats...
is pretty weak but thanks anyway.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 5, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not mainstream knowledge yet
you hadn’t heard of it, and I had never heard it before I started reading FO.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Fisher said,
The Titans have been a 3QB team for awhile, and they were looking to keep it that way. Hes insurance, capable, and has experience with Heimerdinger. I dont think you will see him coming in before they give VY a chance.
now with less meyton panning.
by Pride of the Southland on Apr 3, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's garbage.
They were a 3 QB team last year—for the first time in a long time. Otherwise, they’ve tended to keep jobbers on the practice squad as the 3rd/practice QB. The signing of Simms struck me last year as an opportunity, but the signing of Ramsey is the actual start of a new, different trend in favor of veteran QBs.
It’s hard to imagine that Ramsey has has much value, but I doubt they sign him if they have full faith in VY, not when they could draft a guy for the practice squad in the 5th or 6th round.
DannoE
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by DannoE on Apr 4, 2009 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's just a
replacement for Simms no?
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 3, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Means nothing to Vince.
Just like Chris Simms meant nothing to Vince. As PotS said, Fish likes to carry three qbs.
Beyond Vince, if Fish and Co are bringing in Patrick Ramsey to compete as a starter in the future, we have larger problems as an organization. His career stats are nearly identical to Kerry’s, which is to say average, but good enough to be a serviceable backup.
by SuperHorn on Apr 3, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's really difficult
to draw many conclusions from his stats. He’s only played in 4 games in the past three years. Through out 2008, he completed 2 out of every 3 passes he threw. However, he only threw 3 passes total. Not statistically significant.
Three things can happen when you throw a pass, and two of them are bad. So, we don't need no WRs.
by JimR on Apr 3, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did
signing tim rattay say anything about the organization’s view of VY? The timing is interesting, however: 1 day after Cutler was traded. Coincidence?
by joshuaboone on Apr 3, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Ramsey sucks
Cortland Finnegan is a beast
by Titansfan_559 on Apr 3, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Career comparison
Completion % VY 57.7 to 56
Touchdown % Ramsey 3.8 to 2.8
Interception % Ramsey 3.3 to 4.4
Yards per Att Ramsey 6.5 to 6.4
Yards per Comp Ramsey 11.6 to 11.2
QB Rating Ramsey 74.9 to 68.8
AdjNetYard/Att Ramsey 4.4 to 4.2
FO stats say the were both below average, but above replacement in all of their seasons as a starter.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is that one stat
that matters?
Win %
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 3, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize I was comparing teams
Vince Young’s career “Win %” is much higher than Kerry Collins. The Titans must have made a huge mistake last season.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn't realize
we were comparing VY to Collins…
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if QB win% meant anything then shouldn't the better QB on the Titans have the better Win%?
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY
wasn’t benched for KC due to being ineffectiveness, he was injured… There really was no decision to be made on the Titans part with what followed. So to even say sarcastically they made a huge mistake makes no sense…
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why didn't he get the job back?
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because we were 10-0
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by hal41605 on Apr 4, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not have known
we were 10-0 I guess… Never know we may have been 10-0 w Vince at the helm as well. But your definitely not gonna change qbs after such a great start
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't include rushing yards / tds
Compare VY’s rushing yards/td’s to Ramsey
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 3, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh he's better on the ground no doubt
but he’s a worse passer than a journeyman nobody
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should compare Collins first 3 yrs to VY's
VY has only 3 years in the league. It’s too soon to throw him under the bus. As I remember, the Colts seemed to fear him :)
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 3, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
riiiiiiigght
fear him, that’s why every time there was a comment from the organization about VY maybe closing or taking over from Collins Stampede Blue erupted in cheers. You guys love QB record so much. VY is 1-2 against the Colts starters. Collins is 1-0.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We love QB record so much...
Who doesn’t? Isn’t that the goal?
Obviously you love all of the other stats but wins…
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning% is a team stat
if I’m talking about QBs I’ll use stats that don’t include the defense and running games’ performance.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats dumb to put it bluntly
How can you mention every stat and leave it out? For a QB winning is the most important stat.
You have to consider everything when evaluating a QB…
Win% is a team stat, but the QB is the fall guy and the most important guys when it comes to winning no matter how you look at it. If Peyton Manning put up all kinds of stats and never won would anyone look at him the way they do? Peyton makes that team go and always has. So while he’s an individual with Great individual stats, winning isn’t the most important stat for he and the team?
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
players should be evaluated in a way that includes as little of other players performance as possible.
QB A: has a great running game and elite defense.
QB B: has an awful running game and terrible defense.
Winning % will vastly overrate QB A compared to QB B because of factors that have nothing to do with the QB’s ability.
Was Kerry Collins the best QB in football last season?
The Bears won 9 games, The Broncos won 8. Does that mean the Broncos got the better QB in the Cutler trade?
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
We are discussing VY and Ramsey not Collins…
Your logic fits maybe if your evaluating a draft pick…
This is the NFL, winning is all that matters.
You comparing Cutler to Orton now, totally different situations.
So your basically saying you would rather have Ramsey than Vince Young? LoL
Since you want too, lets talk about Vince and Collins. They both had the same level of defense in their time as starters here. Collins had a better running game this year than Vince ever had. Vince and Kerry are just as effective throwing the ball in all the shorter routes. Vince brings something to the table in mobility that Kerry nor Ramsey do. Kerry is better at throwing the ball downfield which is the main and really the only reason I’m all for him being the starter, well other than Vince’s mental stability right now. Regardless of stats, Vince and Kerry have been able to win. Win in different ways. Ramsey has not.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This series is about the merits of winning%
your last post was the first in the series that even mentioned VY or Ramsey.
Winning is what matters on the team level, but it’s horribly flawed to judge players by it because it includes things that aren’t even tangentially related to the QBs ability.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole win %
conversation started because you were comparing Vince and Ramsey stats bro. So while I didn’t mention them, its pretty much what our convo was based on.
I realize a QBs win% isn’t the only thing that matters when judging a QB, but it should be a big part. Vince did a lot of things to help this team win tangibly that Ramsey could not have… I realize a SB winning QB like Dilfer could be misleading if a person had never watched football, but that’s not what I’m doing. I realize Kerry and Vince aren’t in the top 1/2 of QBs in the league, but they bring more to the table than player like Ramsey.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any tangible contribution to QB win%
should be reflected even more clearly in the individual stats, with the performance of the defense and running game separated out.
The Collins vs All and Orton vs Cutler examples are relevant because they show the absurdity of giving win% weight in an individual player evaluation.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it relevant?
Like I said maybe an idiot that has never seen football would just say Orton is better than Culter looking at the records. But I wouldn’t just look at Cutler’s stats and Orton’s stats either and say either is better. I would have to watch with my own eyes, which is what I did with Vince… So I saw what he brought to the table. I’m not including the offense and defense, I’m saying I saw Vince help the Titans win games. I saw Ramsey not
So mobility isn’t a tangible? Its a huge part of Cutler’s game…
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler's low number of sacks and 200 rushing yards really suggest mobility
from just the stats.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, there are cues that Cutler can move a bit just from the stats
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If So
that’s why you can’t just go off stats in a situation like Vince vs Ramsey…
If you watched Denver or Cutler at all you would know how mobile he is and how much it helps his game. Look up some stats like Cutler’s rating outside the pocket.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 4, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't honestly believe this.
Why do we need to evaluate win%? If you agree that it is highly contingent on factors outside the QBs control, why look at it at all? If a stat promotes misinformation, it should not be considered.
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by Sam Page on Apr 4, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY
I was starting to worry that there weren’t any Titans fans that understood how to use stats appropriately.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win%
still needs to be factored in when evaluating QBs in the NFL… Otherwise Jeff George was great no?
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
George never made a Pro Bowl
has a career completion % within a percent of VYs, a QB rating of 80.4 and after a long 12 year career the only category he is in the top 40 in league history is times sacked.
You don’t need win% to know he wasn’t the QB that he was expected to be when he went #1 overall.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
everything has to factor in… OK
My point is in our situation Vince helped us win more than Patrick Ramsey would have.
Honestly, I feel like I’m talking in circles at this point. LOL
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 5, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY is probably better than Ramsey
Ramsey’s been a little better as a passer, but VY is valuable as a runner and is more likely to improve since he’s a lot younger.
Win% isn’t why. Running ability and age are. I’ve just been pointing out what an awful passer VY has been.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 5, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY is a terrible passer
I was just trying to point out Vince can help a team win, Ramsey cannot.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 5, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn BBB your good
I agree with all of your points
Cortland Finnegan is a beast
by Titansfan_559 on Apr 4, 2009 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Ramsey's role is be the solid backup...
behind KC and VY.
To take over and manage games (handing the ball to CJ and LDW), in case KC gets injured and VY starts throwing more completions to opposing DBs than to Washington and Gage.
I don’t think this signing has anything to do with the Titans’ view on VY.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 4, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hate to bring it up because nobody can really answer this...
but whe’res VY’s head these days? his physical abilities arent what worries me about him.
by stetix01 on Apr 4, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
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by Jimmy on Apr 4, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
self-psychoanalyzing
I think I had the urge to hate on VY after me and August West agreed on a criticism of BBS.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/4/2/819464/sb-nation-writers-mock-draft-round#13663578
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 4, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think being drafted by the Deadskins was Ramsey’s big problem. He had solid college numbers with Tulane, but when you’re drafted by a team that changes its offense as much as its underwear, that’s problematic. Then, he moves to the Jets behind Pennington, and we all know how great the Jets are for QBs. (insert sarcasm) Then, it’s off to the Broncos where he’s put behind Cutler. Yeah, he was really going to get a lot of playing time and reps there…not.
Give Ramsey a chance. He may still have some of those skills from his college days. At least, he hasn’t given up on his team and refused to go back into a game like another current back-up QB I know.
by Titans_Girl on Apr 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bold Statement!
Mark it down.. VY will be shopped around in two weeks!
If a QB starts to drop in the First round look for the Titans to move up and take him.
The only way this team will be a 3 QB team is if there is uncertainity at the Postition or a Developement QB is on his way in. Fisher is being eaten away on the inside by letting VY start his Rookie year. His Gut told him then not to start a rookie and it’s killing him now for doing so.
The Titans will wait and see if a QB drops and if not then they will be a stop gap before next years class with McCoy, Bradford and many others coming out!
by white02slpss on Apr 4, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would we "shop" VY
He has absolutely no trade value. The only year VY got a full season to start, look at who his weapons were; LenWhale White as the only RB, Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, and Eric Moulds at WR, and Bo Scaife. Not a single one of those players scares opposing defenses, and you expected a second year RUNNING QB to be turned into a pocket passer by Norm Chow and succeed?? Give me a freaking break, it is wayy to early to call VY a bust, and you guys can all scream for him to be traded or for us to draft a QB with a high pick in this years draft but it won’t happen, and he will be our starter at some point next year. There’s my “bold” prediction
Cortland Finnegan is a beast
by Titansfan_559 on Apr 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Deal On Vince
In my eyes, Vince is done in TN. He tried to quit on the team, he’s lost the locker room, other teams have figured out how to trick him (he can’t read defenses), and he has no trade value as a QB.
If he’d swallow his pride and line up as a WR, he’d be a monster.
by Rustmeister on Apr 4, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice
That in VYs rookie season when he would get hit late or someone did something to piss him off he would come back in the next few plays and bust a run or make some kind of a play? To me, ever since that blind sided hit by Shawne Merriman on that fake bootleg he has not been the same player. i thought Merriman broke poor VYs neck on that play. Instead of VY getting up and making a play, Fisher retaliated with a sweet crackback block that not only took Merriman out of the game but contributed to his absence last season. I began to question VY in the season opening loss against the Colts two years ago. As soon as the game ends VY takes his pads, jersey, and helmet off and just starts slinging them in the air as he gets to the tunnel. That rubbed me wrong. Sure he was pissed, but that shows no sportsmanship at all. Dont get me wrong now. I would love to see VY turn it around, but I am not getting my hopes up. The signing of Ramsey erases all thoughts of us drafting Pat White(thank god). Anyone know how much Ramsey is making to ride the pine? Its probably five times less than what VY makes. Hopefully the signing of Ramsey will light a fire under VY and we can see glimpses of him in his ROY season.
by bull4real on Apr 4, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think VY should get some slack
Haven’t we gone overboard with the criticism of VY?
All reports show he’s participating in the offseason program and staying in close contact with many of his teammates.
Remember, this is just his fourth year. He has talent and given the right weapons and system, he can succeed.
I don’t think Norm Chow did VY any favors. The most effective game plan they ever ran with VY was when the ran the deep veer play to Travis Henry against Indy (a Titans win). VY has to be put in offensive situations to accent his talent.
Mike Heimerdinger has only one regular season game with VY at the helm (actually only a few quarters). If Mike had VY as the starter for long, I’m sure he would adapt the offense to maximize VY’s talents.
The Titans had a great year with Collins last year. But, there’s no reason VY can’t do the same.
by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 5, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We have absolutely not gone overboard here
There are reports that he didn’t want to go back in 2 games. You may not believe them, and that is fine, but what other quarterbacks have you heard that about?
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by Jimmy on Apr 6, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm
why?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
by 2d on Apr 6, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince would be a great situational player.
Atleast thats what I was thinking last year. Then he made the field in absolutely no key 3rd down situations and played in only the first and last game. We all know Vince is his best in the shotgun. He has never had receivers good enough for our offense to be a downfield threat out of the shotgun though. Pressure from the safety or nickel is what shuts him down and will continue to until we can back the defense off the line. How can he rollout or scramble with the defense blitzing off the corner? Vince really hasnt been in the right situation to develop as a QB. Hes a qb on a running team that prides itself on defense. Until we have good receivers that draw double teams it will be hard to tell how good or bad he really is. Heres an interesting question. How good would VY be if he were drafted by New England and tutored by Josh McDaniels for three years in that offense with those players. Now ask yourself would Matt Cassel be worth a first round draft pick and 14 million dollars if he were drafted by the Titans. Either way they are both better than Ramsey.(I hope)
by bull4real on Apr 6, 2009 4:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs






















