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VY+CJ+Harvin=Wildcat?

This is something I have been pondering upon for a while now. I thought we had the right pieces to run the Wildcat last year with VY, CJ, and LDW but if we add Harvin to the mix it could be a MONSTER. I want to know everyones thoughts about it. Harvin or not, we probably would never use it. Would we? I know it is a college football style offense that goes totally against the grain of the ball control style we play. As far as stats, records, awards, and championships go, we already have the best college offense in the NFL. Minus a receiver. Wouldnt it be beautiful to see VY split out wide with CJ in the shotgun and Harvin lined up next to him. The ole fake draw QB reverse pass. I will have an order of that please! Its seems like VY would have more success passing out of this formation than any other. I know it is too unconventional, but VY has never been a conventional QB either. Does anyone else feel like in order for VY to be successful that we need to tailor an offense toward his strengths? I thought we would have built a package or two for him while he was riding the pine last year. It would have been a great added dimension to our offense in the playoffs or the perfect no huddle situation. If we keep adding blazing fast playmakers then at some point defenses will have to play VY honest in order to compensate. Then maybe he can get back out there and have some fun again.  

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Would you give up this years 1st round pick for VY to play like he did his rookie season?
Yes
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No
34 votes
Who cares? Trade him
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.......this made me chuckle

ha

_The Time to Hesitate is Through_-J.Morrison

by titansfan615 on Apr 10, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

the wildcat became less effective as the season ended

I don’t think you’re going to surprise anyone this year with the wildcat.

However, I do agree that there could be certain packages for VY to maximize his running threat

by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 10, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we wouldn't exactly run the wildcat

But those three playmakers on the field at the same would strike fear in any defense we face.

Cortland Finnegan is a beast

by Titansfan_559 on Apr 10, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 10, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree.

The wildcat was ineffective by seasons end. Miami did all they could with it as fast as they could. We actually have better personnel for it than Miami did. Plus we have an added dimension. VY. Pennington doesnt have Vince’s athleticism. A package for Vince at H-Back as a decoy would be nice.

by bull4real on Apr 11, 2009 3:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Please

Put V.Y. back on the field. That way Daryl Smith can knock him out again, maybe in the second week this time.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

And then Kerry Collins will come in and......well we all saw how that ended last year. Twice.

What was the point of your post? Ya’ll don’t have anything else to worry about down there? Like maybe finding a safety that won’t get abused by Justin Gage?

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by gramsey712 on Apr 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

I’m still trying to figure out how Justin Gage torched us up last year. Half of his stats for the season came against us in that game. The Jags must be missing something, because apparently Gage isn’t the best wide out in the league. Reggie just needs some good ole’ film study, and maybe he needs to revisit his old high school’s practice to learn how to tackle.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 11, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would suck soooo bad to be a Jags fan

The Titans are going to abuse you insanely bad twice next year and there’s nothing you can do to stop it. You guys COMPLETELY SUCK!!!!

Cortland Finnegan is a beast

by Titansfan_559 on Apr 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wo, Wo

Did you guys forget my lecture last time I visited. I told you, don’t let the facts get in the way of the truth. The facts: Sure, you guys won the division last year. But then you guys choked in the playoffs, Alge Crumpler fumbles in the fourth quarter, and Joe Flacco and the Ravens win. Pity, Pity…. The truth: Get ready for some Jaguars domination.
Jaguars: 12-4
Titans: 4-12

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 11, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take my facts over your truth,

because its obvious someone has lied to you. Your Faguars are the 4th best team in this division AND THAT IS A FACT! Or would you call it the truth? It seems you have lost touch with reality. I bet Matt Jones was your favorite player. You probably have an autographed credit card of his. Oh wait, his credit cards seem to keep popping up as police evidence. And what is Jaguar domination anyway? Your starting runningback could buy his t-shirts at Baby Gap. Maybe I should come over to your site and give you all a lecture on how to not let what is fiction get in the way of what is false. Your Jags 12-4, now thats fiction. Our Titans 4-12, that is false. Week 17- Ravens 27 Jaguars 7, now thats a fact. Cincinnati RB Cedric BENSON runs for 104 yards vs Jags, FACT. Jaguars finish 1-6 in last seven games, another FACT. i could do this all day. Our coaching staff could take Byron Leftwich and 21 other free agents and come down there to our second home stadium and beat your David Garrarbage led team. And Thats Good For Another Jacksonville… Loss.

by bull4real on Apr 12, 2009 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, Ok

Your facts are lookin’ pretty good. But, your letting them get in the way of the truth. Just wait till next season, game 1 prediction: Jaguars: 20 Titans:14

Good one on the baby gap, LMAO

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 12, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

nice. Faguars. Hahaha. :-D

Go Titans!

by Pinoy Titan on Apr 12, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats my boy bull4real!

I would rather root for the prissy Colts than be a faguars fan

Cortland Finnegan is a beast

by Titansfan_559 on Apr 12, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

ah, c'mon...

you know you love us – Peyton, at least ;-)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 13, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

ew gross.

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by August West on Apr 13, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

;-D

And to think, if Peyton had signed with Tennessee, I’d be a fan and we’d all be friends…

hmm. I feel dirty now.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are You Sure

Root for the Colts over the Jags? All of you guys should join the winners circle down here in J-Ville and convert to Jaguars football. See yall real soon.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 12, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

What are you guys smoking down there. This whole thread was hysterical!! ;-D

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 13, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Remember

Bamarulz. He showed up on Auburn’s blog for a while. Where did he go? Is it one of you guys?

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

auburn AND the jags?

how do you even still enjoy watching sports?

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Apr 13, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

It was a bit of a disappointing football season. But seeing the Titans choke in the playoffs nullified all of those bad feelings, and replaced it with one good one.

:p

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So are there actually other Jaguars fans besides yourself?

You’re like the only guy at the party wearing a Member’s Only jacket………

The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!

by BigW on Apr 14, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is where we go all Colt fan on you:

“At least we made the playoffs

Nope, doesn’t make me feel any better.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on Apr 14, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who here...

…remembers 1999???
What a fun year for the Jaguars!

That was THEIR year!
I mean, seriously, nobody could beat them at all!
Except for the…

Titans number 1 fan in Brazil

by brazilian #1fan on Apr 13, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

14-2

in the regular season!
Best record in the NFL!
Only 2 losses!
Can anyone name the 2 teams who beat them that year?
What about playoffs?

Titans number 1 fan in Brazil

by brazilian #1fan on Apr 13, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wo, Wo

I sense a bit of hostility here. Is it the Jaguars domination in the air, we will all find out. Trust me boys. Don’t live in the past guys, its not healthy. Rather live now, and what is now? Jaguars domination time. See you guys this september.

Peace Out :)

And, oh yea, Go Jaguars.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the present is what really sucks for you Jaguars

You have a mediocre QB, ZERO talent at WR, a battered and inferior offensive line, a midget at RB, only one good Defensive Lineman, and you’re a small market team so you’re skrewed if we have any uncapped years. Plus you play the Titans and Colts twice a year each so that’s automatically four losses a year.

GOOD LUCK JAGS!!!!!!!

Cortland Finnegan is a beast

by Titansfan_559 on Apr 13, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks For The Good Luck

But thats what the draft is for. The uncapped years ahead will actually benefit us, I could explain but I’m afraid you might not understand…anyway, our talent is lacking at receiver, but isn’t yours as well? Our quarterback is closer to elite than both of yours, and our defensive line is mostly young, while yours is looking pretty old as of late, and the same for your linebackers. How many effective years does Keith Bulluck have left? We could compare teams like this all day, but I think I may just wait until the season kicks off. Only then will we see who is truly dominant(my guess is the Jags, but thats just me).

Peace Out

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No i think you should explain it.

Uncapped years will not benefit anyone. Players will get paid. Everyone will get greedy and in the end it will be us, the fans, that pay. Teams will not overpay in those years because it will be too detrimental when they do establish another cap. And yes, we could use another WR but we dont need one when we play teams like the Jaguars. Its sort of overkill. I think the Jags need an entire receiving corps. Do you really think that Garrard is better than Collins and VY? When Garrard became the starter he played above average his first season. We all know how he played last season after teams had an offseason to watch film on him. As far as our defensive line being old, your wrong. We have two veteran defensive ends that will be old in three years, Kearse might not even be here after this season anyway. How many years does Henderson have left? He is your best defensive lineman and he didnt do anything last year without Stroud next to him. Keith Bulluck doesnt age, he is invincible. Tulloch is a young guy and has developed into a head-buster, once he improves his pass defense he will be a solid all around MLB. Thornton has some years, but he isnt irreplaceable. We arent worried about our linebackers over here, but its obvious you are. And why are you bring up age anyway? You claim that your Jaguars will be dominant once this season kicks off and age will not be a factor this season. Age will be a factor for our defense around the time we have those uncapped seasons. So I guess our team could benefit from an uncapped season, but now its your turn Bestjagfan.

by bull4real on Apr 14, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Keith Bulluck doesnt age?.....amazing

I also heard he counted to infinity….twice.

_The Time to Hesitate is Through_-J.Morrison

by titansfan615 on Apr 14, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

i heard

bulluck can sneeze with his eyes open

"But do you know what happen in my defense? I named Smash 'n' Dash and after the Tennessee game it was aired, right? So, your Fans decided to Swagger Jack Me"

by v1nc3_pr1nc3 on Apr 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keith Bulluck can lick his elbows...

… and now you are trying to do it. :)

Go Titans!

by Pinoy Titan on Apr 14, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some Explainin' To Do

Uncapped years can actually benefit everyone, but small market teams may be the only ones to catch on. When you draft a player in the uncapped years ahead, the average rookie contract will be, lets say, 7 years long. The average playing length of a players career is something like 5 years, and then they fizzle out. When the players 7 year deal is up, let him walk. Only resign your core players, the play makers that win you games. A team will most likely have 2 franchise tags now, so it will be easier to retain players. As long as you draft well, your team shouldn’t get old, and you won’t spend a ton of money on high dollar free agents that will probably bust anyway(Jaguars learned this from Jerry Porter).

Henderson probably won’t be back, potentially being traded on draft day. Our D-line is young, with Derrick Harvey on the cusp of a breakout season, Quentin Groves flashed great potential, and Derek Landri looks to be up and coming. Age can strike at any time. How do you know that some of your older players will be effective next season? This could have been their last great year.

If you need another turn to cover anything up, its your turn Bull4real.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 14, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i heard...

Keith Bulluck is 1/8 Cherokee, this has nothing to do with ancestry…he just ate an indian.

_The Time to Hesitate is Through_-J.Morrison

by titansfan615 on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

7 year contracts to rookies? Your explanation brings up even more questions.

Are you serious? You want to sign these guys to seven year contracts! You said it yourself that the average career is five years. So what if your team drafts the second coming of Matt Ryan and you shell out 7 years 70 million only to have him turn into Ryan Leaf? Thats a lot of cash your gonna give this dude when you release him because of the signing bonus. Its also a big hit on cap penalties. You base your whole hypothesis on the fact that you arent going to draft any busts. There is absolutely no way to know that. Also, when you sign a guy to a long contract like that you are going to end up with situations that are exactly like Anquan Boldins. And the whole “only re-signing players that win you games” bit. Let me ask you this. If you subscribe to that logic how many players would you have on your team after last season? Rookie contracts are so out of control that it may be the achilles heal of the entire CBA. Putting an end to overpaying rookies is a must for the NFL. It doesnt sound like you mind it too much though. You wanna shell out seven year contracts! And….dont get me started on the whole Jerry Porter conversation. Last years free agent wide receiving crop wasnt at all as talented as their contracts said they were. Id be pissed too if I were Boldin, and Javon Walker is getting over 50 million. You claim uncapped years are going to help your team, but you actually spoke in no way about how it would help your team directly. Everything you mentioned is something that will be available for every team. In response to your D-Line. We dont know how good Harvey is yet. He was great in college but not coming to camp on time didnt help him at all last year. I bet if you were GM he would have been there early-with a seven year contract. Groves was a decent SEC starter at end but I dont think he is good enough this year to be a factor against our line unless we have injuries. And the reason I know that this isnt the year that we show our age is because we are actually a young team. We were the only team in the NFL in 07 to have a roster that averaged less than 26 years of age. We arent going to get that old in two years. And last year your teams average age(27.95) was higher than ours(27.72). It would have been even lower had we not added Kearse. The Redskins led the way in age with an average of 28.63. The Patriots and Cowboys were tied for second with 28.22.

by bull4real on Apr 15, 2009 4:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Rookie Deals

Yeah, a 7 year deal would be the way to go in my opinion. Who says you have to give the guy 10 million a year. From the second round back sign him to the rookie minimum, gradually increase the pay over the years, 350,000 first year, 400,000 second year, etc. The contract will also be heavily incentive laden. For a running back, for example, start 16 games, 50,000. Score 15 touchdowns, 500,000. Don’t forget you can always restructure deals as well, so if it is felt that a player is not earning his money, but another is going above and beyond, give the great player more money. Rookie deals for the first round will still have to be high. Unless the whole league and the players association agrees, this will never come down.

The way it could benefit a smaller market team such as the Jaguars is simple. They may not have as much money to spend or as much pull, so they will not be tempted into signing free agents to huge deals. Any team, even the Cowboys and Redskins could do this. Will they? Probably not, because they love signing free agents past their prime, or players that are peaked right now and may only have a 3-4 great years left(Albert Haynesworth going to the Redskins, for example).

On your roster age, you have to admit that some of your core players are getting up there. Kerry Collins, who you all claim is better than Vince Young, is 36. Kevin Mawae is 38, pretty old for a center; one of the most physical positions in football. Jake Scott(whose birthday is tomorrow by the way, so really he is 28) and Eugene Amano are both closer to 30 than they are to 20. Ahmad Hall is 29. He will be thirty by mid season. Jevon Kearse is 32, Kyle Vanden Bosch is 30. Nick Harper is 34. David Thorton is 30, Keith Bulluck is 32. A lot of your better known, and better players overall, are damn close or on the greater side of 30.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 15, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

?

In case you haven’t noticed bro, trash talk time is over. We are trying to have a semi-intelligent argument here. I think its your nap time.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 16, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

I get it now.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 16, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Top 10 picks will get paid.

The rest of the first round will get two-thirds or half as much money. I would definately have to disagree on the ten year contract. They might work in baseball or the NBA, but not football. Even if you did sign a player to a 10 year contract he would never see all ten years for the team. With the back half of most contracts being so loaded, you would see too many situations like McNairs. Not too many teams are going to shell out 23.95M for one season. 15 touchdowns is worth more than 500K. No agent would let his player sign a contract like that unless he was a 5-7 round pick. And sure you could sign your 2nd 3rd and 4th rounders to the minimum on years, but they are going to want more money in return.

So you are saying that not being tempted to sign big money free agents during uncapped seasons will help your team? It may not help over a short term, because all those players could end up in your division. However it would help over a long term because obviously you would have more cap space than most teams when the cap is put back in place.

Our defense has more age on it than our offense definately. But our D gets off the field so fast that they tend to stay fresh. Your point about Mawae is exactly why I think we draft Alex Mack in the first round.

by bull4real on Apr 16, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

10 Year Deals

No way. 7 year may even be too high. 5 might be the way to go. On the free agents, a team should refrain from that, because a large number of big name free agents bust. When you sign your 2nd and back players to minimum deals, you reward the ones who play at a high level(like we just did with MJD; he was making the minimum even last season). The ones who don’t perform, they walk.

I don’t really know how soon the cap will be put back in place. I have heard some say that it could be upwards of 15 years, so this could be a good strategy to survive those times.

Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.

by Bestjagfan on Apr 16, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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