What is the Fascination with Bo Scaife?

by Jimmy on Apr 1, 2009 10:00 AM CDT in Commentary Comment 31 comments

So Bo Scaife was a no-show at Titans workouts yesterday? I am not sure why that is such a big story. He has been a no-show since week 11 of last season. Why would the offseason be any different?

To be honest, I was mad when they franchised him. Sure they have extra money lying around, but they could be using that to lock up some guys that are up at the end of next season. Think about it, the Titans are going to be paying Scaife top 5 tight end money next season. Top 5. Now be honest with yourselves, is Bo Scaife really a top 5 tight end in the league? If you answered yes to that question, please step away from the computer for a second, remove your two-toned blue, burnt orange colored glasses, or both and think about it again. Still think he is....let's take a look at some numbers, shall we?

2005 receptions/yards/touchdowns- 37/273/2

2006 receptions/yards/touchdowns- 29/370/2

2007 receptions/yards/touchdowns- 46/421/1

2008 receptions/yards/touchdowns- 58/561/2

Career average receptions/yards/touchdowns- 42.5/406.3/1.75

Here is where Scaife ranked among tight ends in 2008:

Receptions- 7^th

Yards- 13^th

Yards per game- 16^th

Touchdowns- 21^st

Also, Alge Crumpler had a better yards per catch average, 10.7, than Scaife did, 9.7. Scaife's career yards per catch number is 9.6. That just isn't impressive at all and definitely isn't worth top 5 money.

Scaife is a nice player, but he is easily replaceable. The Titans were crazy to franchise him and would be even crazier if they were to give him a deal with a lot of guaranteed money. He just isn't worth it.

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You're right on

#80’s services are DEFINITELY not worth top 5 TE money.

1)Gonzales
2)Gates
3)Witten
4)Clark
5)Winslow

Scaife probably isn’t even in the top 10.

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by InFisherWeTrust on Apr 1, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Heath Miller

Chris Cooley
Anthony Fasano
Owen Daniels
maybe even Tony Scheffler

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Apr 1, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I AGREE!

I have never been a huge Scaife fan. He has had a couple of big catches (at least one comes immediately to mind), but i was all for him leaving. I always worry that Scaife is going to fumble….don’t know why. If Pettigrew is somehow available, I say that is the route to go and get rid of Bo. Gonzalez would be ok too :-)

by gotitans27 on Apr 1, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wait...

You put Kellen Winslow in your top 5 – that’s just insane. Owen Daniels, Zach Miller, or John Carlson should be before Kellen on that list, according to last years stats. Winslow is not top 5, not even top 10, maybe top 15. Jimmy I 100% agree with you. He’s out top reciever, but thats not saying a lot in a run first offense.

Staunch Defender of the Round Mound -

by TrenchantTitan on Apr 1, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Am I making this up...

or did I see a stat saying Kellen Winslow led the league in DROPS last year or some year recently?

(sometimes I mis-remember, lil halp here)

by palpacino on Apr 1, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last year was McSuckins. Had to be.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on Apr 1, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Braylon Edwards with 16

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

Gage made the list with 6.

by SuperHorn on Apr 1, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree as well

Scaife could EASILY be replaced by an athletic H-Back in the third round.

Cortland Finnegan is a beast

by Titansfan_559 on Apr 1, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good, good article Jimmy

The numbers don’t lie. Could you compare his numbers to Wycheck? That would be interesting.

by pigskinpundits.com on Apr 1, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps he's very replaceable

While his number’s aren’t huge, it seems kind of silly to look at those numbers and not see a clear trend upward. I’m guessing his numbers would be a lot better if he were on a team that threw the ball more, especially in the red zone.

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 1, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

fair point

But when the Titans do pass, TE is a frequent target. To be fair, though, Jimmy’s stats should include a ratio of the number of times thrown to. Otherwise you can’t be sure you aren’t comparing apples to oranges.

Scaife seemed better to me last season than in the past. I’d like to see them keep him on, but not at top 5 numbers, so the tag surprised me too. I was figuring they’d give him a 3 or 4 year deal with moderate salary numbers rather than tag him.

by numbertenox on Apr 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that depends on who the QB is.

With VY, TE is a very consistent target. However, KC has much more of a tendency to go for the short “out” routes that Gauge and McCareins were running all last season.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Apr 1, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clear trend upward

Take out his 10 catch game in week 10 (which by the way was for 79 yards), and it seems the same. Now I know you can’t take out a game, but think about the fact that after week 10 he caught 15 more passes in the next 6 weeks. That seems like a downward trend to me.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.

by Jimmy on Apr 1, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems the same???

Even if you take out that game, he has had at least 50 more yards receiving per season every year he’s been in the NFL:

2005 receptions – 273
2006 receptions – 370
2007 receptions – 421
2008 receptions – 480 (561-79)

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 1, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great

At that rate he will be a good tight end in about 5 years. I can’t wait!!

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.

by Jimmy on Apr 1, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At his current pace he'll be the best tight end in the league by receiving yards in 5 years

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course that would mean

that he wouldn’t be able to disappear for 6 weeks like last season.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.

by Jimmy on Apr 1, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree but...

… gotta say this guy makes some incredible catches every now and then…
(I guess this is the main problem: “every now and then” is not good enough, he needs consistency)

Titans number 1 fan in Brazil

by brazilian #1fan on Apr 1, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Draft

Shawn Nelson

by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Here is the deal:

Besides CJ, our offense does not have any TOP 5 players in any position! (besides our OL)
Does anyone disagree?

Titans number 1 fan in Brazil

by brazilian #1fan on Apr 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I missed your reference to CJ when I posted my note.

by TitanBlue on Apr 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and that's why none of them are holding out for a big new deal...

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Apr 1, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson

is top 5 at RB

by TitanBlue on Apr 1, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't call it a fascination

But, I’d agree that not showing up to workouts is a stretch. He should be doing backflips for getting top 5 money.

However, I disagree that he shouldn’t have been franchised. Mainly because at this point top 5 TE money is inconsequential.

Scaife accounted for 19.3% of our passing yardage on offense. Compared to the top 5 listed above:

1. Gonzalez – 31%
2. Gates – 17%
3. Witten – 24%
4. Clark – 20%
5. Winslow – 17%

As noted by Jimmy, Scaife is 7th in receptions among tight ends. That’s pretty remarkable considering how little we throw the ball.

I don’t think Scaife is a top 5 tight end, but under the circumstances I think it was the right move. It takes time to coach up a new rookie. Keeping Scaife fills a need for the upcoming 09 season.

by SuperHorn on Apr 1, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you.

I completely agree. Besides, the only easy way to replace the guy was with the draft, and that’s kind of a crap-shoot. Meanwhile, you can think of this year as expensive but affordable TE-draft insurance.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Apr 1, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make me #3.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on Apr 1, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's only an acceptable guy to franchise

because the number for TEs is low, but holding out for a big contract is just absurd. If an All Pro holds out that’s one thing, but not a middle of the pack player…

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Apr 1, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's his problem.

Meanwhile, I for one am happy enough to see Craig Stevens get more reps. The guy can block, but he needs work. Well, now is his chance to get work. This is an unparelleled opportunity for Stevens, if he’s smart enough to seize it and show what he can do.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Apr 1, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed!

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Apr 1, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look guys...

He hails from a Texas school. Everyone knows you immediately have all kinds of street-cred when you’re from Texas.

My older brother was a bruiser at high school ball. When I got there, they all thought I was going to be the next bad ass, too. I couldn’t stop looking at cheerleaders, though. Maybe that’s Bo’s problem?

by palpacino on Apr 1, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is Scaifes year

to impress us. Or hes gone. It doesnt sound like hes gotten off to a great start. In his four years with the Titans he is only 50 receptions and 6 tds behind what Wycheck had in his first four seasons as an Oiler. Wychecks fifth season was in 1999, His 69 receptions for 641 yards and 2 tds might be obtainable for Scaife next year but would that guarantee him a big contract? I dont know. I have mixed feelings on this one because I think he would continue to improve his numbers if we paid him the contract he wanted to stay. But I dont think he would be worth the money someone else would pay him because I think his numbers would fall off in another system. Those of you who think we need him around when VY comes back could be onto something. If VY fails to impress this season we might be saying bye to two Longhorns and HELLO to a lot of cap room. Which might be a rather good ending if the “VY experiment” goes bad. Go Titans!

by bull4real on Apr 2, 2009 2:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs