Redskins Busted For Tampering By Their Own Player?
by August West on Mar 11, 2009 1:48 PM CDT
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The morning free agency started, Redskins RB Rock Cartwright went on ESPN 980 in D.C. to talk about the Albert Haynesworth signing. What he said should go a long way towards proving the Redskins tampered with Haynesworth while he was still under contract with the Titans:
Host: At what time did you learn Albert Haynesworth was going to be a teammate, Rock?
Rock Cartwright: This morning when I woke up I put it on NFL network and breaking news went across the screen saying he had signed for $100 million, but I kind of had an idea they were going to sign him anyways because one of my teammates said they have same agent* and he said that they had been talking.
* (ed. note: WR Malcolm Kelley is also represented by Albert's agent, Chad Speck)
That's textbook tampering. The Bears got a pick from the 49ers for tampering with Lance Briggs, and they seemed to have much less evidence. Plus they didn't even lose Briggs, whereas out attempts to re-sign Albert were blown to bits once that crazy offer hit the papers.
This is tampering at its worst, and Snyder should be hammered by the Commissioner for this. The 49ers were docked a 5th round pick and had to swap their 3rd rounder with the Bears, so anything less than multiple late picks from the Redskins would be an insult in this case, IMO.
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Interesting
Picks would be sweet because that gives us fodder to either get a midlevel guy or move up in earlier rounds in the draft without losing much.
Kath?
This is awesome. They need to really push it to have it resolved by the draft.
Did the Bears get their picks that draft? Or did they have to wait a year?
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This is not a smoking gun...
" I kind of had an idea"
We all did…it was public knowledge Dan Snyder and Chad Speck met. It is DUMB none the less.
It's not a smoking gun
but it’s better evidence than one usually gets in a tampering case… the case was already pretty strong when every major paper knew the dollar amount 2 days before free agency began.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
Well...
As ‘dr wnc’ from the Skins blog mentioned:
If tampering existed, prior to it becoming a bidding war, it should have been noted. With other teams NYG $80Million, Tampa and Redskins 100M it’ll be hard to prove any tampering.
SF was the only team involved with Briggs at the time.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't disprove tampering.
That merely shows that there was a bidding war in addition to tampering.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
There are considerable differences
Between the Briggs case and Albert.
The tampering in that case occurred during the regular season. That’s when his agent was “illegally” contacted without permission. Briggs was under franchise tag at that time as well. I don’t believe the Bears got a 5th round pick in compensation. They swapped 3rd rounders, moving up a few slots, what the NFL evaluated as equivalent of 6th round pick. The 49ers lost a 5th round pick, but that was just charged to them, the 9er’s didn’t receive that pick.
Post season “tampering” has to go on all the dang time, otherwise nobody would ever be signed in the first several days of free agency. The combine is probably chock full of tampering. Yeah, there’s a rule, but unless you’re a poster child of violating it, the NFL probably is gonna look the other way.
The size of the contract and Redskin player statement might classify this as a poster child case, but keep in mind even if it does that all the Bears got is a third round pick moved up five or six slots – no extra picks at all.
sorry
make that the 49er’s lost a 5th round pick, but the bears didn’t receive it. my kingdom for an edit button ;-)
sure
titans have nothing to lose except some fees to lawyers. absolutely pursue it. I’m just sayin’ – don’t get your hopes up, and don’t expect a bunch of extra picks, cause the flagship tampering case under goodell resulted in a grand total of one third round pick moving up five slots. big fat hairy deal.
lost for the 9ers
but the injured party did not get that 5th round pick. The bears got zero extra picks after all the fuss in that case.
there's a considerable difference
Lance Briggs is still a Bear, where as Albert is gone. Post-season or in-season shouldn’t matter if it can be proven.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
Agreed
But, what I was driving at is that the volume of post season tampering is very high – has to go on all the time for these contracts to get done so early in FA, even though it is technically against the rules. The NFL may have picked out the Briggs case in 2008 because a team went after a tagged player during the regular season; that’s pretty bold.
It was resolved same year by the way, someone else asked that. Happened during 2007 season and ruling was made in March 2008 and enforced during the subsequent draft.
Not necessarily
in reagrds to the postseason tampering frequency you think you’d see the effect on day one, but there weren’t any other big deals involving players who hadn’t been released well in advance (like Fred Taylor).
Albert was the only one.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
Tampa?
Don’t forget, Tampa offered more than the Redskins..so when did they get involved in this negotiations?!?! Seems still to much of a gray area to tag as ‘busted’.
you guys
are really upset that you lost your player huh…in your weak atempt to accuse the skins of tampering you stated that Rock said i kinda knew because " they been talking" who is they ? do you mean Albert and Malcolm, because the last time i check i dint know that two NFL players conversing with one another was tampering. or did you mean teh Skins and Albert because i dont think the NFL’s second richest franchise would do stupid things like that, even though they are the worst free agent pending team in the history of Football. tampering no. the skins have been free agent Guru for 25 years now. So suck it up get over and get better fact s instead of writing lame post
free agent guru?
Who needs to get their facts straight now?
by DonFrancisco on Mar 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
'They' are Chad Speck and the Redskins, that's pretty obvious
and we’re not mad Albert left, we’d just like to cash in on Dan Snyder’s arrogance.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
TROLL CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He uses the grammar of a Squeeler fan! I demand proof of fanship!
Official MCM Hater!
Hmm...
You created a new account just so you could post this?:
So suck it up get over and get better fact s instead of writing lame post
Also…
i dont think the NFL’s second richest franchise would do stupid things like that
Rich=/=smart
The Redskins made Adam Archuleta the highest paid Safety in NFL history just so he could ride the bench and play special teams.
ahh the joys of working, posting and photoshopping at the same time...
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
i really think
you guys are upset that AH left you guys because you knew that last year was proably your last chance yo will ever come any where near close to a superbowl championship again. reguardless if the skins onwer is arrogant or not he still takes care of his player and fans like no other in the league. and just to comment or Chad Speck why didnt you add in that he a Dan had lunch together and a played gold at the Pro day in In, to add a little more spice to your post
???
and just to comment or Chad Speck why didnt you add in that he a Dan had lunch together and a played gold at the Pro day in In, to add a little more spice to your post
"you guys are upset that AH left"
FAIL. Go back through the posts and comments from that time and show me where people got upset? We’ve all seen it coming for two years and feel pretty good that this team will make it back to the playoffs and do some damage once we’re there.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
brief suggestion:
literacy
and also, how does snyder take care of fans? by spending like a moron and never creating teams that compete for titles? please elaborate.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
And raising prices to pay for all the expensive FA's on his bench and on the Redskins' IR list.
Don’t forget that!
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Dan Snyder
actually hasn’t raised the price of tickets in several years.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 12, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate to say it but I agree with numbertenox
I wouldn’t expect much if any draft picks to come out of this, the league turns a blind eye to this stuff every year. I still definitely think we should pursue the tampering charges but don’t expect much to come out of it…
Cortland Finnegan is a beast
It's only tampering
if the team initiates contact. If the agent or player initiates, then it’s not tampering.
That’s the main reason why it’s rarely proven.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
wrong
NFL Anti-Tampering Policy 4
Anti-Tampering Policy applies during that period of the year (before the start of the free-agency period in mid-February) and that tampering violations may be based upon contacts with players at or in connection with the Pro Bowl, including when:
1. Club executives in attendance engage in private conversations or meetings with a player or players under contract to another club; or
2. Club executives directly or indirectly instruct or encourage conversations or meetings involving their own players and players under contract to other organizations that can reasonably be interpreted as designed to express the club’s interest in acquiring the services of such other player(s).
by DonFrancisco on Mar 13, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see
any reference to agents or a player’s representatives in there…?
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 16, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
According to the tampering rules, an agent reaching out to a team is allowed but not the other way around.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 16, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
What is that supposed to prove?
Ryan O’Halloran doesn’t think it’s tampering.
And we all know that Ryan O’Halloran never fails. 60% of the time, he’s right everytime.
Official MCM Hater!
Did you read the article?
That’s not what he said…
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 16, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Tampering is very hard to prove
but then again the evidence usually isn’t this good because most organizations aren’t this arrogant.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Mar 16, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Tampering is hard to prove?
Why has no one though of that before?
by DonFrancisco on Mar 13, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i could care less if he is gone.
just another over paid player.yes a very good player.as for tampering.everyone new what he was going to be offered.it was on the tv 2 days before the free agency period begain.even if big al hadn’t talked with them if he sees that,then is that not the same.if its not then teams can put an annonoumus tip out for any player that they want signed that this is what they are going to offer.and just because there were more then just the skins bidding for him doesn’t make it right either. and like someone said nothing will happen. and like i said i really don’t care,but rules are rules and tampering is obvious in this case.
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