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Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Time Outs To Spare Edition

Tennessee_titans_30x21 So I'm hearing all of this anger over Fisher not using his time-outs (and here) at the end of the 4th quarter and letting time run out, and I'm just not getting it.  Had you people seen the fourth quarter?  Our defense was gassed and the offense couldn't put one foot in front of the other!  What did you think was going to happen if we got the ball back on our own 35 with under a minute left?  Three and out, and that's only if our swiss cheese defense had made the stops to force the punt in the first place... which they hadn't done all half.  Once we didn't get the safety and they got it out past the 5, the right call was to give the defense a rest and steel yourselves for overtime, especially when the opposing QB is an INT vending machine!

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Chris Johnson can kiss any talk of breaking Eric Dickerson's record good bye, but I still like his chances at getting to 2,000 yards since both the Chargers and Seahawks struggle mightily on defense.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 However, CJ is only 253 yards away from breaking Marshall Faulk's single-season yards from scrimmage record.  He's also leading the NFL in rushing by nearly 400 yards.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Vince Young continues to be a mentor and inspiring presence to Steve McNair's young sons, and yesterday they spent time in the locker room after the dramatic victory.  I'm serious when I say that this whole situation is one of the best and most heart-warming thing I've seen from an NFL superstar in maybe my whole life.

Follow us through the jump because it hasn't done ya wrong yet, has it?

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Tennessee_titans_30x21 If you wanna kill Fisher, do it over the Harper-Hood debacle.  Harper is still trash at defending the pass.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 None less than Jimmy Johnson doubts that we make the playoffs this year, but loves what we've got to move forward with on offense.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Paul Kuharsky asks if Vince Young and Chris Johnson combine to make the most electric duo in football?  After looking at he competition, you have to say VY-CJ is right there at the top, if not king of the hill.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Sucks to be a Dolphins fan today.  I'm just hoping we're not feeling like that on Friday night...

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Wow.  Just wow.  Peter King has Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets. on his MVP list and not Chris Johnson.  Peter King had actually gotten a little better this year, but with that one he's right back to publishing digital litter-bix liner for the kitties at icanhazcheezburger.com.  I mean Revis is good, be he's not that good.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Expect no mercy this Friday, as what these Chargers, lead by their mouth-breathing punk of a quarterback, did to the Bengals team mourning the loss of a family member was just cold-blooded.

 

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On the timeouts

There is also a 50% chance that that same defense is going to be on the field first in overtime. Why not see if you can get Henne to throw a pick down there and set up a field goal so you never have to go to the dreaded coin toss?

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by Jimmy on Dec 21, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

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Had you people seen the fourth quarter? Our defense was gassed and the offense couldn’t put one foot in front of the other! What did you think was going to happen if we got the ball back on our own 35 with under a minute left? Three and out, and that’s only if our swiss cheese defense had made the stops to force the punt in the first place… which they hadn’t done all half.

Did you see the Cardinals game?

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

They put Vince in at safety in the 4th quarter.

He jumped, intercepted a pass at the 50 yard line, and landed in the endzone. Touchdown.

I can’t believe you missed it.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

It'll be a real test.

But, if you can’t beat a team like the Chargers, the playoffs don’t matter anyways.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, I think they are gonna treat us like the Colts.

And end our playoff hopes.

I don’t like our chances without 53. Cause we sure looked bad without him yesterday.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not even worried about the playoffs anmore.

Too much math involved. I’m just rooting week to week and seeing where the pieces fall.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

to quote Kramer

a hipster-duffiss

"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"

by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t understand that comment at all.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

i cant help you out then.

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by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

dude....

that is a FUNNY ASS picture.

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by kg_2005 on Dec 22, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Couple things:

Re: Fisher and the timeouts. I was more upset that we didn’t try to go for the kill at the end of the first half. We just picked off Henne, had all the momentum in the world with the Snowflakes getting the ball back to start the second, we have the ball close to midfield with two timeouts, and we walk off the field. Use the momentum!

And what is up with this ADub?

Expect no mercy this Friday, as what these Chargers, lead by their mouth-breathing punk of a quarterback, did to the Bengals team mourning the loss of a family member was just cold-blooded

Were they supposed to roll over and let the Bengals win? Would that honor Chris Henry’s legacy?

And that reminds me. The second quietest I have ever heard LP Field was during the pregame moment of silence for Chris Henry. Awesome.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

Ahhh...I just misread your use of "cold-blooded"

I’m feelin’ ya dog

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

it was definitely meant to be a begrudging compliment

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Punting from their own endzone we would have gotten the ball back at around midfield.

And 30 sec to go 20 yds for a FG? I’d like our chances. It was a poor decision plain and simple. I remember yelling at the TV “You’d better hope we win the ****** coin toss Fisher!”.
It was simply inexcusable to not go for the win in regulation. The dolphins were being conservative, whos to say they wouldn’t have run it 3 times? If they didn’t the defense only has to stop 1 pass play.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Come on man

you guys can say you disagree, but the venom and hyperbole around this is absurd. You can’t act like this was a complete no-brainer unless you remove all context. We were sucking badly in that 4th quarter and needed some time to break and circle the wagons.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

The Snowflakes were cutting through our defense like it was hot butter.

But you gotta love our Coach showing faith in his team.

They should have refused to come off of the field when he called for a punt on 4th and inches at midfield when we could have put the game away.

Does any boneheaded decision Fisher makes surprise anyone anymore?

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

No

they don’t but they are still infuriating. I swear almost EVERY play goes towards Harper and he’s continually getting beat, thrown at, behind the receiver, missing a tackle, etc…

Definitely not good for the blood pressure.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

What is so infuriating

Is Fisher’s attitude of “Well, I’m the coach and you’re wrong because you’re not the coach.”

Sorry, coach, but you were wrong this time, and a multitude of other times recently, and it’s starting to wear a little thin. Oh, and then this:

“We had our chance to win (in) regulation on the series before,‘’ Fisher said. "We went three-and-out. My gut feeling … a lot of times I make decisions like that, I gut feel. What I didn’t want to do was call timeout, send a signal to them and force them to take a shot and make a big play down the field, because then they had three timeouts.

Well coach, the situation was different on this go-round. They only had one timeout this time, which is far different. Sorry, but he was wrong.

And let me put it another way: how do you feel about Fisher’s “gut feelings” about Ryan Mouton? Nick Harper? (Dare I say) Kerry Collins?

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Completely hypothetical

but just think about the Jets game if we had had a return man in there that could CATCH THE BALL.
Things would be a lot different. But again, completely hypothetical. Go with your gut Coach.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Every coach has that attitude

lets assume he’s 100% in the wrong, what do you want from him? You want him to throw a player under the bus? You want him to grovel to fans? Drop to one knee and sing ‘Danny Boy’ ala Al Jolson?

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. Drop to one knee.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, in that case, I would like to change my answer to grovel.

Yeah, grovel.

How about “I think I could have played that one differently. I think I will have a better strategy next time.”

The problem is, he doesn’t think any of this garbage he is doing is wrong. He is not changing. It would be OK if he did not admit he was wrong and then didn’t do it again (Nick Harper). But he keeps on making stupid decisions that make no sense to anyone.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Accountability. It’s the truck that’s changing it all™.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Come on man

Wade Phillips is just about the only football coach who would say something like that after a loss and you know it.

You want someone like Wade Phillips coaching this team? Didn’t think so.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Wade Phillips coaching the Titans

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I want his job.

Fisher’s done. I think this team is talented. I think they are “deep playoff run” talented. And, Fisher has managed to screw that up, and he tried to screw it up again yesterday.

This team was lighting it up all game, and once we get a comfortable lead, Jeff calls off the dogs and plays Fisherball. This team is better than that. Stick with the vertical passing game and we might have topped 40 points yesterday. That’s not even my biggest issue with Fish.

It’s his loyalty to the older players. A good coach puts the best players on the field. If I could see the writing on the wall three games into the season with Kerry’s performance, I have to believe that Fisher did too. The way he’s handling the Rod Hood situation is unconscionable. It defies all logic.

I don’t think this is a Super Bowl team. I do think it should be a playoff team. When playing at their best, this team is top 6 in the league. Fish has squandered that.

Instead of seeing it like that though, people are only going to talk about the turnaround this team has had and Fish will keep his job. Ugh. If you made the right decisions in the first place, you wouldn’t have to turn things around to begin with.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I can see your reasoning, but...

I don’t think it’s going to happen so I don’t see the point in talking about it.

Adams wont fire Fisher over this. Especially when our team is 7-1 since VY took over the starting job.

We’re a hot team that is going in the right direction now. A new coach means we lose that momentum an likely have to learn a new offense.

by theologic on Dec 21, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Not if it's Dinger.

I mean who doesn’t at least try to use those timeouts and kick a field goal for the win?
But you’re right, Adams is too old for a rebuild. Fisher is safe until Bud “moves on”.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I just want a Coach that will put the best player on the field.

And actually play to win instead of playing not to lose.

It is really getting old. And he has personally screwed this season away.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

I don’t think sitting a guy that isn’t performing is the same as “throwing him under the bus.”

If you aren’t playing well, you get benched for another guy who is.

That’s just football.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he meant

Coming out in his press conference and saying “so and so sucks and he screwed that up.”

I can appreciate that.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t think Fisher should come out and say “Harper blows goats.”

I think he should Jevon-Kearse his ass.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yessir

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus

wouldn’t it be fun to say Harper is Kearsed?

by Titan in WV on Dec 21, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

You need to trademark that dude.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to Harper on that one,

Harper should be thrown under the bus, I agree. I meant more so what happened with Mouton and Kerry… those kinds of things.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Hey Coach! I looked up at the scoreboard and saw it say “1” next to TOL by the part that said “Dolphins.” What scoreboard were you looking at?

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing when I read it first

But I think he’s talking about the previous drive that ended with a Miami TD and 2-pt conversion. They used 1 TO during that drive and 1 during our ensuing drive. They had 1 left at the start of their final drive before the end of regulation.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I would argue

that a timeout is an opportunity to take a break and circle the wagons. Then could ford the river, float across, or hire an Indian guide.

I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.

by DonFrancisco on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Always, and I mean always

hire the Indian guide when available. He never lets you down.

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by Jimmy on Dec 21, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

depends

that Indian guide can be pricey. If you are a banker that is one thing, but if you are a farmer…

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by DonFrancisco on Dec 21, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

We had plenty of time and timeouts to get into field goal range and Fisher sits on his hands.

I’m so sick of Fisher. It’s like bonehead move after bonehead move and he answers to no one.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

cant argue. and the sad thing is it wouldnt have mattered IMO if we did

get the ball back at the 50 with 30 seconds. i’m guessing fisher would have gone conservative there too and played for overtime. since i detest pussy-ball, i’m probably rooting for the wrong team.

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by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Mouth-breathing punk?

Oh man, this week is going to be fun…

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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

August's love for Rivers knows no end!

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by Jimmy on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm one of the bigger VY homers out there,

but Fisher’s most egregious error at this point is not what happened with VY, or even game management. It has to be the Harper situation. And why the hell is Hood inactive every week?

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions  

I disagree….Biggest F up is how he handled the VY KC situation…..0-6 start…after 0-4 VY shoulda had his chance….Not wait for a bye week to give him a extra week to learn…0-6 = 97% chance the season is over.

by Dont worry bout it on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I just don't think we beat Indy or NE, even with Vince.

And the way it has played out will do/has done so much for Vince’s confidence. I can certainly see your point, however, and don’t think it is a slam dunk either way.

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Even just one or two wins

in the first 6 change thing dramatically. I don’t think anyone believes our D can hang with Indy or NE.

by Titan9 on Dec 21, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely.

Had Vince been the starter at the beginning of the year, we at least win one out of Pittsburgh, Houston, or Jets. I was just responding to

after 0-4 VY shoulda had his chance

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Vince finds a way to beat the Texans.

That one extra win puts us in a really good spot right now.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

come on guys

If Vince starts from the beginning of the season he probably looks more like the crapstorm we saw in pre-season than he does the veteran we’re seeing now.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Eh. Possibly.

The main reason I would disagree is CJ. This latest stretch is the first time that VY has gotten significant run with CJ. I think they have such a beneficial effect on each other’s games. Also, we’ve all seen how much better Vince plays when “the lights are on”.

As far as how starting then would have changed his performance over the last 8 games, I can’t say anything credible either way. I guess it just depends on when you think Vince became a good QB. Was it in the off-season, or was it watching 0-6 happen? I lean towards the former.

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Once again, eh.

The one thing I do know is that he wouldn’t have lost more games than Collins did, no matter how bad his decision making and mechanics.

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless he plays CB as well, probably not.

That’s something you think, not something you know.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm talking about this year, when Collins was 0-6.

How exactly would Vince have lost more games than that?

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

ahhh

I was assuming you meant to say wins.

I’ll show myself out now!

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries,

I’m the same flavor of stickler for the difference between “think” and “know”. Drives me insane when people state opinion as fact!

It is the worst thing anyone can do, ever.

by ctex80 on Dec 21, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

i have to disagree here bro....

i thought VY had a very good pre season, he showed glimpses of his improved ability to run the ball efficiently and despite what you say was very good throwing the ball and hitting the right receivers all with composure and the feet set. which why the transformation after the 0 and 6 start shouldnt come as such a surprise, i would think.

yeah there were some things that you took a look at and say he needs a little bit more work, but for the most part was very decent. all of this coming on short time in the preseason, playing actual ball again after riding the bench the whole year before,splitting reps b/c all of a sudden there is a qb controversy for the BACKUP position. the backup position?!?! patrick ramsey over VY??? plz ppl (for those that thought like that) so the rust had to be shaken off in the preseason, and remember, ITS PRESEASON. not something that should be a strong basis of judgement to how the season is going to go.

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by kg_2005 on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

You really think those 6 weeks were THAT important?

I don’t. Most of his learning/maturity certainly came from last year and this offseason. You don’t get that much better in 6 weeks.

And, I wouldn’t call it a crapstorm either. I’d call it, not playing with CJ and the first team offense.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Let me add to this.

Vince has always had the athletic ability to be great.

The difference this year is making the right reads and better footwork. That takes time. It takes longer than 6 weeks.

Time is continuing to help Vince. And, no doubt he got better in those six weeks. But, the notion that he would have been a whole different player just because he didn’t have those six weeks is silly. The Vince we’re seeing now is a product of over a year of hard work and learning.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I do.

VY looked bad in the preseason, and I completely buy that he needed at least 4 or 5 weeks into the season to be completely ready.

I mean do we remember the pick 6 he threw to the Browns?

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That's one boneheaded play.

And, I should remind you that, while playing with the second team offense and without CJ, he was still better than Kerry. Better rating. Better YPA. 2 more TDs with 1 more pick.

Has he gotten better in 6 weeks? Yes. He’s getting better every week.

Was Kerry better than him in week 1? No.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

and how many picks has jay cutler thrown.....

in the REGULAR season? all the hard work had already been put in prior to this season in regards to VY. i would have to agree, things like that dont just happen in a span of 6 weeks. i believe he was already on the track back before the season started, needed to get the game experience to find out just how fars hes come and to get the rust back off, i thought he played well and there was already a difference in play then what we’ve seen before from VY. it could be something to say that he used what data he gathered in the preseason and used that to break down how he needed to practice from that point on to further ready him. but i believe VY came into this season a changed man. he just needed the opportunity.

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by kg_2005 on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

just to add.....

even brett favre and a bunch of other qtr backs have started to struggle or have been in the middle of the season when your supposed to be “warmed up” by the middle of the season. it wouldnt be a surprise to struggle a little bit your first time back playing actual football, and not garbage time during the season as a backup. this was so it would sound im pouring it on cutlet the whole time, im just saying, thats ALOT of total picks for the season….so far.

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by kg_2005 on Dec 22, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I've never been one to think that....

holding a clipboard on the sideline makes you a mature QB.

by titansfan4ever on Dec 21, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

It does when your primary problem is maturity

VY took note of the ups and downs Kerry went through, and that has to be a big part of the reason he’s so much better at bouncing back from a loss or some bad plays. He was terrible at that in 2006 and 2007.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

here here

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by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Yards From Scrimmage

If CJ can break 2000 yards and snatch the Yards from Scrimmage record from Faulk then I would be very happy. It’s the better record by far; I don’t care what anyone says.

by theologic on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

I am with you on that.

Posse made me see the light on these records.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, things have turned again. Now August is defending Fisher and I want his head

I just dont care how the offense had played in the 4th up to then. The offense played like that because the coaching staff choked the offense for 2 quarters, then expected them to be in rhythm for a final drive. That’s beyond stupid. He played Fisherball despite the fact that 1) we have a good offense; and 2) we have a bad defense. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS DICKHEAD!!! THROW THE FUCKING BALL ON FIRST DOWN EVERY ONCE AND AWHILE!!!!! LET YOUR OFFENSE KEEP PLAYING WELL!!!! YOU CANT PLAY FISHERBALL WITH A SHITTY DEFENSE, ASSMUNCH

Okay, I’m done.

by T--Rac's Posse on Dec 21, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Now we just need hal to come to the darkside....

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually think August has a point about the very last regulation possession

although I prefer going for the win when you have control, but I understand the logic. I also don’t like to challenge individual playcalls unless they are beyond stupid.

But the overall strategy was atrocious. When you have a bad defense and a good offense, why the hell would you then say “Okay… lets put this game in the hands of our defense.” It’s so, so, so, so dumb. If you want the offense to kill the clock, LET THEM GET A FIRST DOWN.

He coached the game like we had the personnel of the 2007 team. That isn’t who we are anymore. This team right now is a team that should be winning by putting up 30 points. The Titans should’ve won the game 31-17 yesterday. It wasn’t hard to get there. Just don’t treat Vince with kid gloves. They played like they were afraid he would lose the game. Like I said, as if we were all of a sudden in 2007 again. HE’S A 4 YEAR VETERAN!! HE HAS LIMITED HIS TURNOVERS THIS YEAR!! HE WAS PLAYING AWESOME!!!!! LET HIM SUCCEED!!!!!!!! STOP HINDERING HIM!!

This has to be the maddest I have been after a win.

by T--Rac's Posse on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I am with you.

It’s weird to be upset after a win.

But we did blow a 15 point lead in the 4th quarter when we had two chances to put it away and pussied out.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just thinking....

what would guys be saying if we would have lost? Just playing the devil’s advocate for a second…what happens if we do go for it and don’t get it…we give the ball back to them at mid-field, right?

by titansfan4ever on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

They scored anyway.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

And to elaborate

I am a firm believer in seizing and using the momentum and going for the kill when you have the chance. So it’s a surprise that it took me this long being a Titan fan to lose faith in Jeff Fisher.

Same reason the end of the first half really pissed me off.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

They scored on that drive

thanks to the dumbest play I’ve ever seen. They really only had to drive 30 yards because 50 of it came on the near INT-tip-bobble-catch.

I thought we were doomed after that… shades of Bill Buckner.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey Vince was the one out there skipping passes of the turf.

he was pretty rough in 4th quarter on his own.

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

That actually surprises me

I think I let the whole team’s inept performance in the 4th jade my vision of everybody.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I was skewed by how bad the incompletions were

VY had one good pass to Britt. The rest were dump-offs that went nowhere, including two 3rd down passes that were way short of the line that Scaife tried to make a play on.

Here’s the log:

1st and 10 at TEN 49: V.Young sacked ob at TEN 49 for 0 yards (K.Langford).
3rd and 5 at MIA 46: (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to B.Scaife to MIA 42 for 4 yards (V.Davis).
[punt]

2nd and 10 at TEN 20: V.Young pass short right to C.Johnson to TEN 25 for 5 yards
1st and 10 at TEN 25: V.Young pass short left to K.Britt to TEN 38 for 13 yards
2nd and 9 at TEN 39: V.Young pass incomplete short left to A.Crumpler.
3rd and 9 at TEN 39: (Shotgun) V.Young pass short left to B.Scaife to TEN 45 for 6 yards
[punt

1st and 10 at TEN 32: (Shotgun) V.Young pass incomplete deep right to N.Washington.
2nd and 10 at TEN 32: (Shotgun) V.Young pass incomplete short right to N.Washington.
3rd and 10 at TEN 32: (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to B.Scaife to TEN 39 for 7 yards
[punt]

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by August West on Dec 21, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

OK

But the dumpoffs go to T-Rac’s point, namely that the coaching was atrocious.

VY took what they (the coaching staff) gave him.

by TNTitans on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention Hands Washington made another appearance when we needed him most.

Put freakin Hawkins in there. I don’t care how much Hands is making.

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by gramsey712 on Dec 21, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

With the exception of that one throw to Nate, the staff removed the deep ball from the equation in the 4th quarter.

In this same log, here are the stats from what they consider “deep” balls.

4/6 94 Yards 3 TDs, INT

And, I’d add that 9/10 that INT is an incompletion. It was the right read, just needed a little more air.

The deep ball was working yesterday and the staff went away from it. They played not to lose in the 4th quarter.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Play to his strengths!

He’s been infinitely better in short-medium routes lately, but that’s not his strong point. Stretch the field!

When you have a quarterback that’s been money on deep routes AND can scramble, I don’t know why would stop with that strategy. Do you know how terribly difficult that is to defend? Instead, we just stuck to running the ball and short crossing routes that didn’t get to the first down marker. So frustrating. The right playcalling could have hung 40 on that team yesterday.

by SuperHorn on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Infuriating, actually.

I put this all on Fisher. Did you see him and Dinger walking to the tunnel before the half? Looked like Dinger was telling Fish to quit being such a pussyassbitch.

This team could be SOOOOOOO good if we knew where the jugular was and attempted to go to said jugular.

by T the D on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

The way they tried to ice the game...

Run on 1st. Throw on 2nd and 3rd. Every set of downs.
Predictable, stale, wrong. MIX IT UP!

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 21, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

I had visions of deje vu 2007 yesterday

when everything needed to line up for us to make the playoffs and we went and lost the game. would have been a mf’r if henne didnt throw the pick.

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by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

Man, I'm glad I didn't watch the game

Never seen so many people being so mad after a win, but I guess after watching the lead disappear, I would be mad too.

I had never understand too things, stop playing aggressive after a big lead and playing prevent defense. Why not keep playing the way that got you there, VY was destroying the rookie CB. And if they kept throwing down field surely CJ would have busted a big run with the defense wary of the pass. Some times coaches underestimate how important is keeping your team in a rhythm, because once you take out of it getting it back is a lot tougher. Glad we won because I can’t imagine how people would be feeling after a loss.

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by Lord_Drist on Dec 21, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

cheated

"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"

by stetix01 on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulluck out for rest of season

just saw that on yahoo sports news. torn acl

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by CeeHow on Dec 21, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

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