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WTF is this, Titans fan! Your team was 0-6. We were supposed to be dead. Gone. Kaput. Finished ! Fertig! Verfallen! Verlumpt! Verblunget! Verkackt!
Now, after ripping off 5 friggin wins in a row, you're back in the playoff picture!
HUH?
I guess that Peyton Manning jersey really did give your team the power to win.
Just like the last meeting, writers like myself, shake n bake, and others are at your disposal to answer any questions you might have about the upcoming game. Please keep it clean and not act like Texans fans.
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Hey atleast we can agree on one thing
the Texans fans.
Colts have had some close calls in the last few weeks…what has been the issue?
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Answer
Not so much an issue but more a sign that there is a fine line between winning and losing. Also, it’s not like the Colts have played punks the last few weeks. The Patriots, Ravens, 49ers, and Texans are all quality teams. Now, they get the Titans who have managed to respond to an 0-6 start by proving that they too are a quality team.
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Mostly it's facing good teams.
If I had to boil it down to one thing for each game that “caused” each game to be close, it would be:
49ers- Very good defensive game plan that confused our offense most of the game
Texans (Part 1)- Not converting inside the 30, which let a good offensive team hang around
Patriots- The freak that is Randy Moss
Ravens- Offensive turnovers
Texans (Part 2)- Freeney being out
Those are oversimplifications, obviously, but it gives you a general idea for each game.
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25 players on the injury report last week (or the week before)
Are they healing up?
Is that the reason for some of the “close calls?” (A win is still a win in my book)
Answer
The injuries drive people like me nuts, and they are likely a reason why the Colts have played so many close games this year. You gotta think that if Kelvin Hayden is playing against the Patriots that Randy Moss doesn’t go nuts in the first half. You gotta think that if Dwight Freeney played last week, maybe the Texans don’t jump out to a 17-0 lead.
The silver-lining is younger players have been able to play significant roles in many key games. If Anthony Gonzalez does not go down in Week One, then players like Austin Collie and Pierre Garçon likely do not develop as quickly has they have this year.
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Also the high number had a ton to do with the Colts listing players that were injured but didn't miss any practice
for the first time ever. A large chunk of the players on that report fully practiced all week.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
I dont know how, but the Tennessee Titans will beat the Indianopolis Colts this week.
Just thought you’d like to know that.
by TITANS 'n LAKERS FaN 4 Life on Dec 1, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions
Opinion
Well, I know how they could, and I don’t think it is a stretch to say they will. And I’m not even a Titans fan.
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Wow.
VY threw fro 350+ yards and now BBS is admitting that it’s possible, not probable but possible, that the Titans could win. WTF indeed! Crazy world out there.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
OK.
Thanks for the info ;-)
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Just how good is Peyton's supporting cast?
It’s a question I’ve been pondering. My initial reaction is beyond Reggie Wayne, not too good. The running game is bad, the offensive line gets no push, and if we switched Kenny Britt and Austin Collie I maintain Collie wouldn’t be getting off the bench here and people would be hailing Britt and Reggie Wayne the new… Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
What do you think? How much is Peyton responsible for the play of Collie, Clark, Garcon, Brown, etc., etc.
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While I respect your opinion, you’re not much of a judge of talent. You might remember Austin Collie making Keith Bulluck look like a lost child waiting for the school bus in the earlier meeting this year. Collie scored on a TD just before halftime, beating Bulluck in the slot and plowing his way into the endzone. And while I agree with you that Kenny Britt is a fine young receiver, factor in that Britt has 33 catches for 521 yards and 2 TDs. Collie has 43 receptions for 483 yards and 4 TDs, and he plays much of the game at slot receiver (aka, doesn’t start). Collie runs excellent routes, has great hands, and is very posed for a rookie WR. He is a legit Rookie of the Year candidate, but since people think Peyton Manning could make a blind camel look good as an NFL receiver, Collie won’t get much mention for RotY.
Also, while the numbers do not look great, the Colts running game is actually pretty good. They’ve run very well in the fourth quarter of games, allowing them to ice several of these fourth quarter comebacks.
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It's nitpicky,
but Collie does actually start. I’m at the Luke for the player introductions, and they announce the starters as a 3 wide receiver set with Clark as the TE. Just a tidbit there.
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NFL.com has Gijon listed as starting 7 games this year though.
I don’t doubt Collie has gotten some starts, but I think most of the time he hasn’t gotten the (somewhat arbitrary for the O’s 5th option) nod.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
That's weird.
I don’t ever remember Robinson being announced as a starter during player introductions this year. Possible disconnect between player introductions and official starting data? I have no clue.
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Depends
Sometimes they start with 2 TEs, but with Gijon Robinson out the last few weeks, they been starting 3 wide.
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Re:
Collie has 43 receptions for 483 yards and 4 TDs, and he plays much of the game at slot receiver (aka, doesn’t start).
I’m not sure if this was intended to imply that Britt has been a starter, and thus should have better stats. But, Kenny has only started the past three weeks, in place of Justin Gage when he got injured in the San Francisco game.
I think that's actually somewhat true
but just because of how the teams use players. The Titans 3rd WR probably doesn’t see all that much time on a team with several decent TEs and a real fullback. While the Colts had a vacancy at a starting WR spot thanks to Gonzo’s injury.
If they switched teams the PT would get very unbalanced in Britt’s favor.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Agreed.
Britt + Manning = All-World Superstar.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Might be a little early for that...
but Kenny Britt is going to be a very good WR. I really hoped that the Colts would take either he or Hakeem Nicks last year. They would have been an excellent #@ accross from Reggie Wayne. That said, Austin Collie was a steal in the 5th round and has met or exceeded all expectations. I don’t think anyone is complaining about that pick.
Also,
Garcon is really weird. In the preseason, he couldn’t catch swine flu in a crowded high school, then he had several good plays in Week 2 and 3. So, after we got all excited for Garcon, he suddenly started dropping everything that was thrown near him. If I remember right, in one game, he was targeted some 13 times and only caught 3. So, after we get to the part where we groan every time we see Garcon targeted, he has looked like he superglued his hands to the ball for the last 2 games. I can’t figure him out.
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Colts defense
I think the real reason you guys are undefeated right now is actually your defense. Now dont get me wrong, I’m not saying the reason why you’re team is good is because of your defense, just undefeated. Big difference. My evidence:
1) 14-12 win against Jacksonville – even Jacksonville has gotta think they win if they hold Indy to 14 points
2) 18-14 vs 49ers
3) 20-17 vs Texans
4) 17-15 vs Ravens
Those are 4 games in which I remember the Colts offense struggling and looking “mortal”, but the defense played really well. 4 out of 11 games is a pretty big percentage.
What makes this year’s Colts defense better than previous years and able to step up when the offense is struggling?
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Thank you for noticing. I agree with you 100%.
The answer to your question is Colts defensive coordinator Larry Coyer. It is my opinion that players respond better to him than they did Ron Meeks, who was not bad but lacked something that would allow this defense to take the next step and stay there, consistently. Coyer has implemented more blitz packages and defensive alignments that maximize match-ups for players like Freeney and Mathis. Also, guys like Daniel Muir, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt, and Jerraud Powers are playing at a very high level now. They’ve all made a big difference.
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You are completely right,
and we are very proud of the Colts #1 scoring defense. The simple answers to why they are so good is Coyer and Polian. Polian has stocked this team with incredible talent and depth, and Coyer has done a very good job as defensive coordinator with his schemes and in-game adjustments.
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Whats your prediction for Chris Johnson in this game?
Keep in mind, last time he only got 9 carries and we were still a totally deflated team.
Also, whats wrong with Peyton Manning and the picks lately? Is it protection, reciever miscommunication/mistakes, or something different altogether?
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
Peyton: too much pressure and too many targets that he hasn't gotten a mindmeld type bond with yet.
CJ (Titans): the Colts are very good at limiting big plays (one Frank Gore run and a couple Brady to Moss deep balls notwithstanding). CJ will probably have a better game than last time, but I don’t think he’s likely to pad is line with a long score or two like he’s been doing all year (minus the first Colts game).
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Eh,
80 yards or so if he gets a lot of carries.
About Peyton, yeah, what Shake said.
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I have to disagree
I can’t see how CJ doesn’t get more than 120 yards. Last time we played, Lendale got more carries than CJ for some reason, and you got out to an early lead, which has been proven to be the only way to stop him.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Dec 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point,
and I can see that happening, but I think that the Colts will be focused on bottling up CJ and VY (when he runs). Other than the Dolphins game, the run D has been very stout, and that’s against backs like MJD, CJ, Steven Jackson, and Frank Gore. This run D is very proven, although CJ is a beast to the highest power.
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I agree that that's very likely to be the game plan.
It could work to, save that so far CJ has found at least one crease every time. That said, I think we might see another big day for VY passing—something that no longer scares me like it once would have.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
that's pretty bold
some of those holes houston was opening up for chris brown in the first half would have been all cj needed for 20+ yard runs, if not home runs. your linebackers have to play perfect football for 60 minutes in both tackling and gap control in order to pull that off, and perfect is a tall order. unless the colts get out to a huge early lead (a definite possibility, i still don’t trust the secondary that much) i think you can bank on 120 all-purpose yards at minimum. he’s just in another zone right now, and i expect him to get a lot of touches, both rushing and receiving.
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well put. cj was great last year but this year is unreal...
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by stetix01 on Dec 1, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Week Five
9 carries, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 3.8 a carry.
It’s not bold. It’s expected.
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that was with KC holding the reins.....
and with that, any defense is going to account for CJ and drop the secondary back into coverage playing against him. totally different qb at the helm now. not here to add wood to the hype fire, but the colts D will have to game plan for Vince’s ability to use his legs, which i think will ultimately open things up for CJ as they have been doing for the past 5 weeks. so overally i think you should expect the unexpected. lol. will be a great game, a continuation of the VY-Peyton matchups.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
that is true we do have to account for that but the past would say we have done well with that in
the past but yes we do have to take that into account but i am not sure it will be a huge effect as we historicly do well slowing that down with the speed of our defense also the fact we blitz more should slow it down as well
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
yes your defense......
has gotten better and i have not forgotten about freeney and mathis, but only the second of the two will be playing(right?).and blitzing imo is not really a great thing to do, if our line does pick up the blitz and a lane opens up vy is going to take what the defense gives him, either that or he is going to dump it off to CJ. which are both dangerous options. not to mention our group ) of young talented receivers(like yours) that have surfaced this year. VY has had some success against the colts before and that was, as jeff put it, a different man wearing number 10. and all season the colts have played your typical pocket passers, for the exception of garrard maybe, but even he is nowhere near as talented a scrambler as VY is.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
actually wrong
both will be playing freeney missing last week was a one week thing to give him a few more days. also we may have hayden back but will know more later this week. you may be right about blitzing but we seem to blitz the middle more anyway and i just ment speed D and blitzing may help against vince in particular but we dont blitz a ton still so it wont be easy to pick up. also i still think the key is stopping CJ as we did last time if we do i have no doubt we win
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
actually.....
i thought maybe they would sit him down this week too, but thanks for clearing that up for me. ill bet dwight and rob are licking their chops about this game, but i would also bet VY is also, not just b/c of his abilities as a runner but also with the help/reassurance of our o-line. and plus anybodys D looks fast when they have to chase KC around in the pocket. and that i think is going to be the match up to watch, both lines going at eachother. VY has shown to play reasonably well against pressure so far this year, peyton, not so much. especially when those feet get moving. but with our new found offense, i too have no doubt, that CJ will shatter the number he put up in the first outting.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
plus VY has always been up for the big games.
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by stetix01 on Dec 1, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
im not sure that the numbers agree with your statment on peyton though
but if you can give me numbers ill mabye believe that i seem to think he has done well when moving. at least not horrible and he has played and done well under pressure i think. yea CJ will do better this time but if we can hold him under 100 that would to me be a win. and i think we can do wit but it will be very hard and thats why i say it is the key
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
i think mike tirico put it best......
“stats are for losers”….of course thats not a direct shot at you or the number crunchers, im just telling you what i heard. of course there will be numbers saying that he has completed a pass on the run, but i bet most times when he is on the run you see the mr. hyde of peyton manning, and he is not quite so efficient. the man just doesnt like to get his jersey dirty, and its quite obvious, colts jerseys are white. lol jk bro (dont go finding me pics of peyman with dirty laundry) and i like how were giving more playing time to our DL and theyre taking advantage of it very well, as our sack count is up since the bye week. will be a battle in the middle.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
oh i am not saying your wrong
i do know that he is not anywhere near as efficient on the run. so i wouln’t then say he isn’t good uner pressure but if you want to say out side the pocket id say ok yea your probalby right his completion percentage goes down cause he throws it away. yea of course most pocket passers don’t and manning isn’t really a running QB at all VY is
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
oh theres no confusion there.....
im just acknowledging the total different side of peyton when the pressure knockin at the door. with that said he has always had the luxury of a good line, so alot of times he doesnt have to worry about that and if they hold up sunday against our line, the one thing i do fear is peyton looking toward harps way when he drops back. harp just gives opposing receivers too much space to work in, and thats not something you wanna give wayne whos good both on the short and long yardage plays, collie whos workin at the slot, and garcon with his speed. although i do think harp has lost a step he is still a good cover man and a good tackler who limits the YAC a majority of the time, and he didnt look so bad as he has in past games against a good receiving corp in arizonas wr’s. so im pulling for him to continue to play well and make the adjustments, especially against his former team.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
Bucs HC Raheem Morris also says stats are for losers
on one hand he’d probably know about losers, but on the other that’s probably not the way he meant it.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
hey its not the guys fault.....
ill bet he didnt see the implosion of byron leftwich that caused the qb shuffle coming either. just another example how you cant really judge preseason play too much.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
but the quote "stats are for losers" is so not true
of cource they dont mean everything but they do have ther place and you cant completly ignore them
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
of course......
you cant completely ignore them, thats not what im saying. but it cant be the sole basis of arguments, stats dont let you know the situation the player was in, the amount of pressure the player was enduring, etc. i mean its a total difference between CJ getting that long TD catch and run against the texans early in the year than it is when its a dump off pass and he makes a few 6 players miss and has a large amount of YAC. but yet on the stat sheet its just a TD with some yards thrown in there, shows nothing about what he had to do to get the touchdown, thats how players should be judged. anybody can have a stat sheet full of CJs run in with the texans, but the real player is seen when his abilities are put on for show to let everybody know what he can bring to the table.
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
umm you're a fan of an AFC South team
and you won’t fault someone for not foreseeing a meltdown from Fatty McButterpants?
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by shake n bake on Dec 2, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
lol nice......
i thought leftwich was a pretty decent qb through his years in jax, and i just thought that maybe with his newfound starting role that there was a small chance he could take that and run with it. obviously not the case, hey i said small chance. lol
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
If the Colts come out and play their A game...
and the Titans still beat them down for the win in the 4th, that would, like, suck for you guys right?
It would suck that we gave them their first lose instead
of them tying the Patriots record for consecutive wins but us coming back in the 4th would be more like getting a taste of your own medicine.
Taylor Mays > Eric Berry
I'm not saying we're down in the 4th
just that that’s when we “impose our will and beat them down”
i would like for us......
to “impose our will and beat them down” qts 1 thru 3 also. lol
"Waiting for the return of the Mac"
"Let VY loose, give him the chance to play his heart out. for himself, for the titans...and for mcnair"
"Titans & Texans fan, dont bug me w/your petty b.s., life's confusing enough."
Yes.
Yes that would suck, although if the Colts do lose, I have a feeling that I won’t be thinking afterwords that they played their A game.
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^^this
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by peytonsthebest on Dec 1, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Answer
Losing in general sucks. But, going undefeated in the regular season is not something I necessarily want the Colts to do. If it happens, yay! If not, my concern is seeing them lock up homefield advantage.
Also, if the Titans bring their A game and the Colts bring their A game (and both teams are reasonably healthy), the Colts will win. The Colts are, quite simply, more talented and are playing at home. The Titans have not won a meaningful regular season game in Indy since 2002.
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If you guys win the Superbowl
Can you convince Peyton Manning to retire as a champ? Thanks it would be appreciated.
Taylor Mays > Eric Berry
If the option was
sure Superbowl and the leagues top player left
vs
6ish more years as a SB contender, but no guarantees on a title
I’d take option B. I think it was a Texans fan that I told I’d rather the Colts be the Braves than the Nationals.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Nah.
Peyton can retire as a champ all he wants, but it better be in 6 years or more. Peyton retiring as a 6-in-a-row champ would be pretty cool, don’t you think?
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There is no way that the Colts can beat the Saints.
They may well beat the Titans this week, but the Saints just VAPORIZED the Patriots, and quite honestly, if they’re on their game, they’ll vaporize everyone else, too. Look, the Saints are the only team that can get into a shoot-out with the Colts and Pats and reasonably expect to win. That’s HUGE.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
While I enjoy anyone saying
that the Patriots got vaporized (awesome word), I think you’re going a little overboard there. The Pats and Colts are completely different teams, with different strengths and weaknesses, just like every other team in the NFL. I don’t see how the Pats’ vaporization has anything to do with the Colts.
I also think that you are underestimating the Colts D. It is much, much better than the Pats D.
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colts d may be better than the pats d
but the saints are clearly the team with the killer d of the 3. i can’t remember the last time someone made brady and co. look so out of whack. if the saints play like they did monday night every game, they aren’t losing.
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agreed
but what are the chances of the Saints playing perfect every night? I mean the Saints were perfect in every facet of that game Monday night. The Colts when they played the Pats were FAR from their best game. So essentially I’m saying, don’t read too much into it.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Fair point, but I think I still agree with Hal.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
The Colts totally blew out the Rams while the Saints very nearly lost to them
NO WAY the Saints could beat Indy
(see the issues with judging by one game?)
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by shake n bake on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
but if you are going to judge that way, judging against top competition is far more accurate because that’s what you face in the playoffs. the best defensive performances come against the best offenses, not the worst, that’s why the saints performance against NE gets so much weight. even though ya’ll did scrape out a win, brady still torched you. big, big difference between that and what the saints did, making the pats look as bad as they have in a very, very long time on offense. it’s really not so much a shot at the colts as a “holy shit” moment for the saints, because they played the best football game of the entire season on monday night.
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But the Pats are a Colts rival.
So the games are much more intense (like when we play anyone within the division – no matter how badly a team sucks (see: Texans) they always play hard and the games are close) Plus the Pats know the Colts alot better than they know the Saints.
I agree the Saints are a great team. On both sides of the ball. But, Indy is capable of beating any team in this league.
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by peytonsthebest on Dec 2, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
im not trying to say
that the colts would lose 10 out of 10 to the saints or anything like that, but i would give a slight 6-4 lean to NO at this point in time, not that it matters. of course peyton has a good shot to win any game he plays in.
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that's not what you might be trying to say, but it looks like someone in this thread is trying to say that
There is no way that the Colts can beat the Saints.
Hence the argument
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
i think there's a big difference between getting caught in a trap game with your pants down
and just squeaking by some average to slightly above average teams. you may have w’s but not very convincing w’s. the saints made one hell of a statement on monday. I dont think the colts have yet. which is not to say they you wont or that you’ve had many opportunities.
i hope you arent going to compare your win against them to the saints win against them? (for the record, i still believe they got the first down)
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by stetix01 on Dec 2, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
so you downgrade a close win against an above average team worse then a close win against a terrible team?
How does that make sense?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
*for a close win
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
no, i would downgrade what appeared to be near total dimination
by the pats over you (which i couldnt in good conscience call a good win) vs. total domination by the saints over the pats. its simple math.
if A dominates B, and B dominates C, then A must dominate C in theory. simple.
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by stetix01 on Dec 2, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's pretty tough to call something domination when the dominator lost
games are 60 minutes. At the end of 60 the Pats had lost the football game. I don’t see a reason why dominating 46 minutes should mean much when in the final 14 the Colts dominated to such an extent that they overcame the previous 14 minutes.
Why does outscoring a team 31-17 over 46 minutes mean more than outscoring your opponent 21-3 in the final 14 minutes? It’s time vs extent.
It’s just silly to determine who played the best by the score at any point but the final. I could care less how a team had played at halftime if the tables get turned on them in the 2nd half. Likewise for the start of the 4th quarter. The Pats “dominating” the first 3 quarters didn’t mean much given how badly they were dominated in the 4th.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
*they overcame the previous 46 minutes.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
you wouldnt be saying that if you lost
which technically you did. but if you feel better about telling yourself you earned that win then there’s nothing i can say that will change your mind.
I mean no disrepect to you guys. peyton is amazing. but the way you are winning games would make me nervous as hell. you guys have had much better teams than this year and its no doubt because you’re really banged up.
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by stetix01 on Dec 2, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
gfto with that bs
technically the Colts lost that game? What kind of tortured logic does it take to get to the conclusion that the team with more points at the end of the game technically lost?
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darn shake you got to it before me runed my moment :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
umm i cant agree
i do however agree with most of it exept for the ignorant comment by you that we technically lost. hahaha hilarious you cant be serious have you seen the score. if you want to speak technically then we technically WON not lost wise the score wouldn’t be what it was.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
ok. i'm crying uncle on this!
let me shift gears for a minute then. give me your top 5 afc teams at the moment please?
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by stetix01 on Dec 3, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
the top 5 mean nothing to the point but mine would probably be
colts, saints, vikings, bengels, chargers (6th just for the sake of it pats)
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 3, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
afc
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by stetix01 on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
AFC teams
1. Colts
2. Pats
3. Chargers
4. Ravens
5. Broncos
(DVOA is down on the Bengals and I think they make a good case that Cincy is a ok, but inconsistent team that’s gotten hot in the right games to pull out a good record so far).
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by shake n bake on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
a snapshot of today
1. Chargers
2. Colts and Pats (tie)
3. Titans
4. Steelers
5. Broncos
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by stetix01 on Dec 3, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
You're crazy
Your number 1 team, who you are putting over an undefeated lost to your #4 (5 really), split with you’re #6 and lost to a team outside your top 6 (the Ravens)
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thats my point
i dont think that being undefeated makes you the best team. i dont think we were last year at 10-0 either. and look what happened to us.
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by stetix01 on Dec 3, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
man your just crazy do one thing for me
say we wont against the pats cause if you cant see that we won against the pats then i wonder if you are just in denial or something else.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 3, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
did I insult you?
if you dont like my opinion then say so. I would not go on to your site and start calling you all names.
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by stetix01 on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
look not trying to start things and im serious about that but
i just think that it is pretty bad if you say we lost even though the score says something dif. now if you want to argue we didn’t play better then ok ill let you do that but not what you origionally claimed which is what i am getting at.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 3, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
for the record
were not all crazy and think the chargers are the best team in the afc.
colts
pats
titans
bengals
steelers/ravens
(and yes i honestly think this very minute titans can beat anyone in teh afc outside of indy and new england – and we match up well with indy)
point taken
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by stetix01 on Dec 4, 2009 5:43 AM CST up reply actions
This logic is silly guys
If we go by that, then the Colts are gonna beat us by 60.
(But I still think the Saints are a better team than the Colts.)
I actually like the way we match up with the Saints...
That offense is a rolling ball of butch knives, but the defense is decidedly average. Not much in the way of a pass rush and their run D is less than stout. I think Peyton can keep pace with Brees well enough and if you need a 4th quarter drive to win a football game, I’ll take Peyton over anyone.
A team like the Vikings actually worries me more because they have a stellar offensive line and can generate pass rush with their front four. Overall, the Vikings are a lesser team than are then Saints, but in terms of matchups; I will take my chances with New Orleans.
i agree. and they are flying below the radar a bit thanks to the saints being undefeated.
the vikes are scary.
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by stetix01 on Dec 4, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Can you be totally honest and objective with this question please?
… is the prospect of another fast exit from the playoffs (and believe me, we know how that feels) In the back of your mind? we’ve seen this setup before with you guys. You win a bunch of close ones (a few you maybe should have lost) and the bolts come into your house and spoil the party.
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by stetix01 on Dec 1, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions
honestly somewhere mabye but probably in the depest darkest corner of my mind....
i think it is something we realize is always a possiblity and wont take for granted because we have had it happen so many times. however this time it feels diffrent to me, to me going into the playoffs i was pretty often not sure about the D but now i got more confedince than ever.
for example last week us being down 17 (in past years i would have thought we were done) i felt we still were going to win it and idk exactly why mabye it has to do with our D this year averaging two takeaways per game. also although the bolts have looked better they are less of a threat than in the past i think
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, perspective is a funny thing
over the course of the last 6 years or so I always thought being down 17 points to manning was nothing to sweat. but i guess it depends which side of the aisle your on. it seemed to me that peyton was just getting warmed up. its interesting to know you guys had some tense moments over there.
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by stetix01 on Dec 1, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
yea but once we scored in the second and got that forst turnover i think most came back to beliving we would win
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I never doubted it with just 17 points.
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by stetix01 on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Answer
Yes. That is always a possibility no matter who you are entering the playoffs. That’s what makes the NFL so great. When the playoffs start, the 12 teams in are set back to zero. What you did during the regular season then means nothing.
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man BBS good to see you over awnsering so many questions your self seems like you haven't really done that
since i started posting. also good for others to see your opinion outside of posts and judging based on your bad journalism posts lol witch i dont always like the way are written but udnerstand what your point is
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Questions
I try to answer as much as possible, but I also have other things going on (answering emails, doing Twitter crap, Facebook, setting up podcast, etc.). That’s why shake n bake often does so many of the Q and As on other sites. Also, some sites just plain don’t like me. The QandA with the Texans fans several weeks ago was a disaster. But, then again, there is a lot of uncontrolled douchebaggery over there.
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yea it was mostly a disaster but they liked some of us and respected some of us such as cass and I
but this last week thought i was over some i didn’t much cause though they respect me they were just being dumb a lot. yea i understand though you never awnsered my email on a post idea i sent like a few weeks ago lol or did just not direcly haha. so you think the college threads i have been opening are going well i seem to think they are a huge success i noticed one of the weeks you made one after me and i was shocked
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
whens gonzo coming back
and does he automatically play ahead of garcon and collie
he's probably still 2 weeks away
Once he’s 100% I think he does, but they’d probably to happy to ease him into the offense when he’s first getting back.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Luckily,
they still have plenty of time to do so.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.
A lot of skepticism here...
After the never ending saga of the Marvin Harrison injury, there are quite a few people here who don’t think Gonzo is coming back. My inclination is that he would resume the #2 role in place of Garcon. However, if Garcon keeps that superglue on his hand Gonzo’s return to the lineup might be short lived. Collie plays in the slot and would likely be unaffected.
Fisher and Dungy had a nice tradition
of “giving” the other guy a needed win here and there (granted, usually on the last game of the season). Sooo, whattaya say, Caldwell? Maybe rest a few key starters this week, you know, for old time’s sake? I mean, not that we NEED it or anything. I’m just sayin’.
This one's for you, #9.
Maybe if it was the last game
of the season like other years, but it’s not so you gotta complain to the schedule makers.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.
Having locked up the division...
It wouldn’t shock me. The Colts usually throw in one half hearted performance after clinching. It gets rid of all the 16-0 talk and lets them justify resting the starters later on. Unfortunately for you, we don’t have home field locked up yet so it may not be this weak.

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