49ers-Titans: Ask 49ers fans from Niners Nation
Hey folks, this is Fooch from Niners Nation, your resident 49ers blog. Our teams are squaring off in what should be an interesting battle. At the beginning of the year I was particularly concerned about this game. As the season wore on I shifted to the other side of the spectrum. However, after your win this past weekend (even if it was the Jaguars) has me a bit concerned about this game. The 49ers sit as 4 point favorites, although it opened at 5.5, meaning folks are throwing money at your Titans.
The most intriguing matchup, at least right now, would be the Titans big time rushing attack against the 49ers very solid rushing defense. Chris Johnson is an absolute beast, while the 49ers are #1 in yards per carry allowed (3.2 ypc). To date, Adrian Peterson (85 yards, 4.5 ypc) and Michael Turner (97, 4.4ypc) have had the most success against the 49ers, so we'll see what Johnson can bring to the table.
The 49ers have been an inconsistent team thus far showing signs of awesomeness, while laying eggs at other times. There is a lot to talk about this week, so fire away with your questions.
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Prediction for the game?
Whats the x-factor you think? I see 2 very similar teams squaring off:
-QBs are former first rounders that you don’t know what to expect each week.
-RBs are stellar on both teams..Gore/Coffee vs CJ/White
-WRs I see as a wash..no clear cut #1 proven talent on either team..Morgan, Crabtree, Davis vs Washington, Britt, Gage, Scaife/Crumpler
-Both teams can stop the run (besides 2 huge mistackles on MJD, we pretty much kept em in check)
-Both teams have a spotty secondary..looks good for a few plays and then gives up a big one..so hard for me to go either way.
I’m having a hard time trying to decide where the edge is..my only conclusion is SF playing at home, and maybe coaching (I would normally give Fisher the edge, but 1st 6 weeks still give me goosebumps).
I think its going to be a close, brutal battle..My prediction: Titans 23 49ers 20
What’s your take?
by TITANS 'n LAKERS FaN 4 Life on Nov 4, 2009 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
x-factors
I don’t think there’s 1 specific x-factor. I think the QB matchup will be big given the ability to stop the run. I do think that means Chris Johnson vs. 49ers rush defense is probably the most important matchup. If the 49ers can’t stop Johnson it won’t matter what VY does. If the 49ers can contain Johnson I think they win this game.
As for prediction, I’ll have one later in the week.
by Fooch on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
deep threat?
I think you’re over looking the Young-Britt connection. Don’t ask me why, call it a hunch, but I think that is going to be a key to a Titans win.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 6, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel that coming too
maybe it was the pre season chemistry…but I think young likes britt and knows he will fight for the ball.
by zero defects on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-QBs are former first rounders that you don’t know what to expect each week.
With Smith we don’t know what we have yet. We suspect he’s going to at least be solid, but we’re fearful of the return of happy feet from his early career. He’s been out 2 years with injury, but hung around learning the pro game.
-RBs are stellar on both teams..Gore/Coffee vs CJ/White
At this point White is much more consistant than Coffee, but we see signs that our Rookie could be good with time. Gore and CJ are different styles of runner, but both are very successful at what they do. Our run game in general would suck if not for the big runs Gore cranks off periodically.
-WRs I see as a wash..no clear cut #1 proven talent on either team..Morgan, Crabtree, Davis vs Washington, Britt, Gage, Scaife/Crumpler
I’d take our young guys today over your receivers. Preseason I don’t know if I would have said that. Davis has come on amazingly. Crabtree is a rookie, but he’s going to be very good, you’ll see quite a bit of him this weekend. Morgan could be a Colston or Boldin in the making, but he’s got aways to go.
-Both teams can stop the run (besides 2 huge mistackles on MJD, we pretty much kept em in check)
We’ve seen several teams resort to short underneath passing to their backs almost in place of a traditional run game. With Clements out it remains to be seen if we are as strong on the edge as we have been, Clements was a beast in run support.
-Both teams have a spotty secondary..looks good for a few plays and then gives up a big one..so hard for me to go either way
Our secondary has been pretty solid overall. We kept Manning out of the endzone, only a trick play the colts have never ran in a game but had in the playbook for at least 9 years caught us last week. I’m using this as the base since that’s the only game we’ve got without Clements starting this year.
by Dave R. on Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Mike doing as a head coach?
As a kid growing up he was one of my favorite players, I was intrigued when he took over the job, but just have not had much of a chance to see him in action.
I think of a Singletarry led team as power running and killer defense (simlar build to the Titans) I know about your running backs and Willis the stud at LB but is the rest of the team built in this mold or is there still some key peices lacking?
by bullrider73 on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
Well, the transition into the Mike Singletary has certainly had its highs and lows. If you want to read an interesting article about it, check this columnist out (his articles can be annoying at times, but he makes a lot of good points).
Singletary has changed the culture of the team, but he’s also showed some ability to adapt his own philosophies. He wants a team that indeed is a power running team with the great defense. However, given the struggles of the offensive line, the offense has had to mix in some more pass-friendly plays. The team actually tends to pass more than run at this point.
In terms of pieces missing, they definitely need help on the offensive line, and getting a big time pass rusher would probably help as well in getting to that framework of power running and top notch defense (although the defense is definitely much improved).
by Fooch on Nov 4, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the article
it was a pretty good read
by bullrider73 on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I freaking love Mike Singletary
His attitude is what I would want in a head coach. A guy I would want to play for.
As opposed to someone who puts on the jersey of our division rival. “For charity.”
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by gramsey712 on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too early to tell yet...
just how good Mike will do as a head coach, but I agree with you about his attitude! Dude is intense! As far as the “jersy” incident, I wouldn’t read too much into it. Although, considering the circumstances, I would have to say it was done in poor taste.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
straight talk out here would be refreshing. fisher keeps it all close to the vest.
"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"
by stetix01 on Nov 6, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch...
Did you REALLY just link to Ratto? I’m quitting. :[
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
by Ninjames on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ratto
I thought it was a rare quality article from him.
by Fooch on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surprisingly enough, so did I.
I like his eloquence, although usually he’s pessimistic, critical…this one wasn’t bad.
by Tre9er on Nov 5, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, actually.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
by Ninjames on Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The inevitable Alex Smith question...
In your mind, is Alex Smith ready to assume the mantle of franchise quarterback and solid starter, is he a decent starter with an as yet uncertain future, is he a serviceable stopgap until the draft, is he an illusion, or is it somewhere in between? I guess I’m wondering specifically if 49ers fans are as deeply divided on the Alex Smith question as Titans fans are about Vince Young, and what you think the future holds for him.
by Knox the Fox on Nov 4, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
Do you all have a thread dedicated to the Alex Smith vs. Shaun Hill debate?
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by Michaeltastic on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
We’ve had numerous discussions about Smith versus Hill. Too many to count really.
I think at this point Alex Smith is at worst a serviceable stop gap. He’s not an awful QB, but rather has been in such a horrific situation that it has stunted his development. It’s entirely possible he could be the franchise QB of the future, but it’s really too soon to tell. He could end up being nothing more than an average to below average QB and that wouldn’t surprise me. But I do think the tools are there for him to potentially become a long-term answer.
However, I don’t think I could answer that question at this point. It’s one reason I’m exciting for the remainder of the season. We’ll get some kind of answer in the Alex Smith debate after years of injury and excuses.
by Fooch on Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
I think that most people want just the best QB. Right now it looks like Smith. Some people want Alex Smith to fail and some people wanted Smith all along because of Shaun Hill’s lack of physical tools compared to Smith. Personally I just wanted the best QB. Alex Smith didn’t show that he was the guy during the preseason games. Against the Falcons and Texans Hill couldn’t do anything with the offense. They put in Smith and he looked good. So it seems that things are starting to click for Smith. Hopefully he can live up to being a good QB because the past couple of years have been very frustrating.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
I don’t think anybody wants Smith to fail. I think many expect it, but I’d imagine every single 49ers fan out there would be ecstatic in the end if Smith turned into a franchise QB.
by Fooch on Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I guess you're right
it was just frustration with Smith.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds familiar.
"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"
by stetix01 on Nov 5, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that there's a positive vibe towards Smith among 49er fans
That’s not to say everone’s convinced he’ll be the future of the franchise, only that the offense looks better under Smith, and he may yet become the QB fans are hoping for. He looked great coming in to relieve Hill in the 2nd half of the Texans game, and he looked solid against one of toughest pass defenses in the NFL. Indy is only allowing 5.5 yards per pass attempt and had only allowed 2 TD passes all season. The fact that Smith passed for a TD and averaged 6.2 yards per pass attempt showed that while not great in the game, he played at least better than most of the QB’s to go up against the Colts this season.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
by urnext on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my response to is Alex the future
would be to answer a question with a question:
Is Vince Young ready to assume the mantle of franchise QB…etc, etc?
I think we’re both in the same boat. We just want a guy who plays well, moves the offense, can win some games in the 4th quarter if necessary, and throws it to the right team.
At this point though, neither of our teams know for sure if the current starter is that guy yet.
by Tre9er on Nov 5, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really see this as a battle between 2 Lazerus QB's
I think whichever QB can play the best in this game gives his team the best chance to win. I think the running game on both sides will be halted by good defense. So I think whichever QB can make the plays down the field will prevail. Smith has been eased into the starting job, slowly brought along and given a little more each week. I think Vince kinda got thrust into the job and told to sink or swim. Hopefully we see the A game from both QB’s and we get a good old fashion shoot out. The x factor for the Niners might be Vernon Davis, who has had an awesome year so far. He really is too fast for LB’s to cover him and too strong for corners and safeties. I hope it’s a good game because I’ll be there screaming with my son !! I see it being a tight game 24 – 21 Niners at home.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i personally would rather have singletary than fisher as my hc.
by TitansFanForever on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
he would never wear a
rams, seahawks, or cardinals jersey
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
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by gramsey712 on Nov 5, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great
a coach that has never done diddly besides show that he can be a hard ass to vernon davis(no disrespect meant at 49ers ppl). you guys need to get over the jersey crap and worry about football again.
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by hal41605 on Nov 5, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to clarify again
this is not a shot at the 49ers or singletary. but the idea that you would rather have a guy w/ a 8-8 lifetime record as a coach over fisher who is in the top 5 in coaching wins over the last decade simply because of that jersey mess struck me as ridiculous.
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by hal41605 on Nov 5, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The jersey was just Fisher's last straw, man.
Just the last straw.
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by gramsey712 on Nov 5, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
funny
his only straw too.
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by hal41605 on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the one that meant the most to me.
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by gramsey712 on Nov 5, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boys
Can we take this to another thread?
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by Jimmy on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Idea!
Manning jersey vs. Oiler shirt thread!
Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...
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by Michaeltastic on Nov 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s out of proportion too. C’mon man. Ya gotta have fun with life. Honestly if for some reason Sing got canned and so did Fischer…I’d take Fish in a heartbeat. He’s a great hard-nosed coach and I’ve always liked him.
by Tre9er on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hows that working out for you?
with the whole having fun wit life thing ? lol he WAS a great hard nose coach
by TattedTI on Nov 7, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck fisher..he's washed up..
ill worry about football soon as fisher stops wearin manning jerseys!!
by TattedTI on Nov 7, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the weakest part of the SF defense?
Will the loss of Nate Clements hurt?
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by pigskinpundits.com on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mark Roman (#26) in Dime situations
He hasn’t been as bad this season as he was in 2008….but he’s still pretty terrible.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Losing Clements will hurt. He is really good in run support. He isn’t afraid to hit anyone and he can make big plays. Hopefully Shawntae Spencer (#36) and Tarrell Brown (#25) can play well. Dre Bly is a decent #3 CB with the ability to gets INTs and also the ability to drop potentials INTs right in front of him. Clements also has the ability to return punts. Its really sucks because we haven’t found someone who can be our PR week in and week out. Brandon Jones had a few shots and caught one on the 3 yard line.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 5, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
defense
The loss of Clements hurts in all aspects, but actually could be a pain in the rush defense. Clements is a great open field tackler against running backs. However, Tarell Brown and Shawntae Spencer should be able make things happen.
The issue will be getting some kind of pass rush on Vince Young. Although VY has great mobility, if he has to make passing plays under pressure, I’d like to hope he’d struggle.
by Fooch on Nov 5, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep hoping....
did you see him avoiding the rush against the Jags.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the secondary
it’s not horrible but it has always been, and continues to be the weakest link in the defense. When the secondary was getting INT’s it sorta made them look a lot better. That’s what we need from them. We have consistently played bend-don’t-break coverage which is fine because we’re all so used to getting beat deep over the years…still…a shutdown defense is where we want to be and we’re just a few players away from it.
Our run defense has showed up pretty much every game, limiting some of the best rushers to under 100 yards all year.
by Tre9er on Nov 5, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys had indy where you wanted them...
a couple sacks away from the go ahead win. hows the o-line?
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by stetix01 on Nov 5, 2009 7:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the o-line is an issue
however Alex needs to get more comfortable feeling the rush too. Some times he breaks the pocket too early, other times he doesn’t feel the rush. The o-line looked to play better last game but still we had 4 sacks on our QB.
by Tre9er on Nov 5, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think football outsiders said it might be the worst positional unit in the league.
by hellaninersfan on Nov 5, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
struggling
The team has been juggling lineups. Their season opening starting RT was demoted to sharing the RG position with somebody else. The guy who replaced the RT was lost for the season due to a shoulder injury, so the demoted player was moved back to the starting RT position. Their LT is their best or second best lineman and they lost him for 6 weeks to a shoulder injury.
Basically it’s a juggling act that will struggle all season long.
by Fooch on Nov 6, 2009 2:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are yo guys going to cheat like you did last week?
I KID! Seriously though, what accounts for Gore’s massive jump in total yards last year? Health? Scheme? Improved O-line?
I know these are things that I should probably know, but I kind of quit paying attention to the 49ers once Joe Montana (my childhood hero) left…
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by August West on Nov 5, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
on a related note:
how much do you guys pity us for having to deal w/ BBS twice a year?
on a serious note:
nate clements. you have already touched on his absence, but more generally, how do you guys view him? most people ripped the 49ers for the size of his contract (at the time it made him the highest paid defender ever), is there any buyer’s remorse or has he been worth it?
who is the best player a non-9ers fan has probably never heard of?
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by hal41605 on Nov 5, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've probably heard of him
But defensive end Justin Smith has been an absolute beast this year. He’s only got 1 sack so far but I believe he’s leading all 3-4 ends in QB pressures and hits. He’s also pretty good against the run.
Other guys who I’d say are “underrated” are nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin, strong safety Michael Lewis, and wide receiver Josh Morgan.
As for Clements, he was overpaid but he was still a pretty good player. Physical corner who could help a lot against the run but did get beat a little more than you’d hope for in coverage for an “elite” corner.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best player a non-9ers fan has probably never heard of?
It’s Joe Staley….but he’s injured and out for the next 6 weeks.
How about © Eric Heitman?
You should know Justin Smith (as mentioned above).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Joe Staley
It’d be Justin Smith or Aubrayo Franklin.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 7, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gore
Well the 3 long runs in 5 games is what makes the difference. The offensive line is downright bad usually so they’ve been holding Gore back quite honestly. Also, he gets a lot of carries in this offense.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 5, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
massive jump?
I’m confused by your question. His numbers last season went down from the previous season. Can you clarify what you mean?
by Fooch on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince Young
It all depends on him. He’s our qb. I pray that our d plays and crazy legs can let loose
by Reinhold Messner on Nov 5, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Question for Niner fans:
With the nice crop of QBs coming out into the NFL Draft next April, do you guys want the 49ers to draft one of these guys (if possible) or are you okay with the QBs you have now?
If you do want to draft one of those rookies, which one do you think fits your team the best?
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by steeler-hater on Nov 7, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
QBs
At this point I really want to see what Nate Davis might do down the road. If the 49ers take a QB in 2010, I would imagine it wouldn’t happen until the middle to later rounds. Of course, I also think this answer can’t really be answered with any kind of certainty (and even then not much) until the end of the season. I say this, not just because that’s the canned answer, but also because the team wants to see what Alex Smith can do. If he can finish off the season as starter, we’ll have a much better idea of what we have with him, and can accordingly make a much more informed decision.
by Fooch on Nov 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
we don’t want the Niners to throw him out there too early. We know how that worked out the first time. (Although maybe Smith can redeem himself the rest of this season)
by mountaindew77 on Nov 7, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who Said VY can't throw the...
DEEP BALL?
by datboybevans on Nov 8, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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