Sam Bradford
Bradford will miss 4-6 months after shoulder surgery. That means he probably won't be able to participate in the combine. Assuming both he and Jimmy Clausen come out, and assuming the Titans pick in the top 5, is it better to take Clausen in the top 5 or trade down for Bradford. Go..
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taking QBs in the first round is such a crapshoot.
jamarcus russel, alex smith (minus yesterdays performance), vince young, matt lienart.
lets get a defensive stud and sign the best available FA QB we can find. draft a qb in the 3rd or 4th.
i cant believe im talking about the draft in october… FML
by ryansax on Oct 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
I would like to see Suh from Nebraska, or McCoy from MizzouI think, they are both killer DT’s. Then in the 3rd round take Lefevour from Central Michigan. He has a great arm, and at this point in the draft he would not be much of a crap shoot.
by bullrider73 on Oct 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Superhorn
I knew it was a big 12 School just could not remember which one
by bullrider73 on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why on earth do we need
to pick a DT with our 1st rd pk? Am I missing something? If anything on D-Line we need DE… Our Run D has been pretty solid, Jason Jones is a stud. Pass rush could use some help, but this team needs a QB in the worst way. We have a Beast waiting to be unleashed at WR.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right DE
is a huge need however if we are picking in the top 5, there are no current DE’s projected that high. You have to admit that in this day and age it is getting harder and harder to trade those top picks away since we have no rookie salary cap. So for the sake of argument we are picking top 5 cant trade the pick than who do we pick.
I agree that we need a QB however I am not complety sold on any of them this year. Bradford is hurt, McCoy plays in the same Texas spread VY did and you see where that led us, Locker is a Junior, Snead looks awful, and Clausen I just cant yet buy the hype. So that leaves best player on the board. With some of the recent projections it is a toss up between Berry and Suh being the best player. Suh is a beast of a DT think motivated Hanesworth that will command a double team to free up the ends, thus making our ends look better than they really are. And by taking him I still think we can get that Lefevour kid in the 3rd or maybe trade up to the second and in all honesty there is not much dropoff between him and the more popular names thrown around here daily.
by bullrider73 on Oct 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the difference is
I really think Clausen is that dude… And I am one of the biggest Notre Dame haters ever.
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free agent QBs
Here’s the current list of FA QB’s:
Charlie Batch UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller UFA St. Louis Rams
Mark Brunell UFA New Orleans Saints
Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins
Kellen Clemens UFA New York Jets
Brodie Croyle UFA Kansas City Chiefs
Jake Delhomme UFA Carolina Panthers
Tarvaris Jackson UFA Minnesota Vikings
Jon Kitna UFA Dallas Cowboys
Josh McCown UFA Carolina Panthers
Matt Moore RFA Carolina Panthers
Kyle Orton RFA Denver Broncos
Chris Redman UFA Atlanta Falcons
Sage Rosenfels UFA Minnesota Vikings
D.J. Shockley UFA Atlanta Falcons
Troy Smith RFA Baltimore Ravens
Brian St. Pierre UFA Arizona Cardinals
Charlie Whitehurst UFA
Finding “the best FA QB available” seems pretty difficult….
by TNTitans on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jason Campbell can make a career at being a great "game managing" quarterback.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I think he could do well in our offense
He and Kellen Clemmens are the only two we would probably consider from the FA market, Clemmens was pretty good when he played for Oregon and just never got his shot at NY.
damn we suck this year
by Sheriff McLawdog on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take:
Brodie Croyle
Kellen Clemens
Tavaris Jackson
That’s it. None of them are great, but I think they could be a stop gap. We’ll probably end up with another year of Collins tho, which is likely why Fisher is slow to bench him.
by theologic on Oct 26, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brodie makes Chris Brown look durable
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Very true, but the couple of times he was healthy he wasn’t that bad.
Who would you take?
by theologic on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orton
is the only guy I would want off that list really.
The jury is out on Clemens I guess.
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ignored Orton
Cuz I figured there’s 0% chance we outbid Denver for him.
by theologic on Oct 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
McDaniels seems to have an uncanny ability to turn any quarterback into a superstar.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like orton the most on that list... but that's becuase he is a solid game manager.
he knows how to win (just look at his overall record). the other is more of a chance take and risk. i would possibly sign clemens for a year and see how he turns out. but it’s taking a risk. there is a reason why he was not really given much of a chance. but it’s possibly just cuz he didn’t fit that system as well. but i see both of them resigning with their teams and solid back ups for years to come. orton may even game manage for another year or two until mcdaniels finds his guy and develops him.
by TitansFanForever on Oct 27, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont care if i get flamed
but anyone who watched troy smith at osu (minus the bcs game against florida) or watched him grow with the ravens before flacco stole his spot, knows what he can do. hes not a typical run-first qb like i think alot of people think of him as. id have no problem bringing him in, drafting suh, and then if you can get a later first rounder or early second (how nice would having that pick back be) and grabbing bradford. let the two of them battle it out as ive got conifdence in smith until bradfords ready
by mattd97 on Oct 26, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Campbell all day
Washington is a nightmare and not due do to him
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton is the only one I would take based on this year. If based on previous performances, I would take Dellhome, despite this bad season, he has been on and led some good teams.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jury's still out on leinart
he looked pretty good in the preseason…
by vancouverTITAN on Oct 26, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jury is not out as far as I am concerned
Leinhart is a bust. Josh Johnson also looked good in the preseason.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft some D
And let Cj play QB, we will never have neone to catch the ball so lets just go wild cat and have all RB.
thats my 3 cents (inflation)
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by Titan4Jah on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither of them.
I’m obviously biased, but I’d take Colt. Main reasons: I think total wins are important, and I have concerns about taking an underclassman.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are some problems with McCoy though
His size and any QB who runs the spread (Bradford included for me) raises the issue of how quickly they can adjust to the NFL, and 2-3 year projects are not gonna help the Titans, will probably lead to coaches being fired, and thus another system and further setbacks.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
But, the reality is that, with the exception of Clausen, all these guys run some form the spread. Notre Dame is in the minority of college football programs that runs a pro style offense. The distinction you may be trying to draw is that Colt and the other “spread” guys take most of their snaps out of the shotgun. To quote Mike Leach:
“And you can send that message to the whole NFL. Any coach who has ever said or uttered those words or considers that a concern, here’s my message for them: How could you possibly look yourself in the mirror and consider yourself an NFL coach and not be able to teach a guy to run back three steps, five steps and seven steps? I can teach a child that!
“Any coach in the NFL who can’t do that ought to be fired!”
And Leach wasn’t done.
“I can do that,” Leach said of teaching a quarterback to drop back. “I only need a three-hour window. I’ll have a great clinic for all the NFL coaches who are so horrible that they can’t teach a guy to take a snap under center and go backwards.”
I think that the spread is here to stay. I could be wrong. But, the rules continue to favor using the forward pass. It’s getting harder and harder to defend. Fans like touchdowns, not grind it out 9-6 wins. You can be guaranteed that Roger Goodell knows that too. He’s not concerned with keeping the integrity of the game, he wants to increase ticket and ad revenue.
I’ve really digressed here. The point is, it’s going to continue to get harder to find “pro style” quarterbacks out of college. From a talent evaluation perspective, I think it’s a mistake to look at it that way because: A) You’re ruling out the majority of the talent coming out of college. and B) I think we’ll see the spread more in the NFL in the future.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC likes 9-6 games
and National Championships.
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Leach is right
That’s why his quarterbacks are so succesful in the NFL.
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by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed that Mike Leach
could put me in is offense as quarterback and I would throw for 500 yards?
He is an awesome qb coach, apparently.
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by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Titans
should hire Leach as their next HC
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And me as quarterback!
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by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leach
intentionally makes it about something trivial like “taking steps”, when everyone knows the real issue is to be able to read the defense on the move. the shotgun spread makes it way way easier to read a defense pre-snap because it is so spread out. that’s probably the biggest thing vince has struggled with, and it has nothing to do with his legs or taking steps.
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by hal41605 on Oct 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know.
I thought it was funny more than anything else.
by SuperHorn on Oct 27, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading
I hope they trade down regardless and try to make up for the lost pick from the Cook trade. I’d honestly take one of the premiere DTs (Suh or Cody) before I’d go after a QB unless I was certain that he was a can’t miss guy.
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by Thunder Jones on Oct 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradford had alot of questions coming into the year, and the shoulder injury didn't help
Clausen, Tony Pike, and FSU’s Christian Ponder are all better Pro prospects
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd go with neither
I prefer Locker over both of these two
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's probably my least favorite.
Mainly because he’s a project. His completion percentage is ~56 %. And, his career TD/INT ratio is 27/22. He is completely carrying his team, but he isn’t very polished. I have no faith in this coaching staff’s ability to develop a quarterback.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does run a pro-style offense, though
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by Michaeltastic on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you would take a prospect with clearly inferior numbers just because he's in a pro style system?
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I would.
In a heartbeat.
Peyton Manning never won a NC in college.
Vince Young did.
Who would you take?
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by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Because that's obviously a fair comparison. And what does a NC have to do with anything?
Here’s one back at you.
Drew Brees ran the spread offense at Purdue.
Matt Leinart ran a pro style offense at USC.
Who would you take?
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leinart of course
Why do you people keep asking these silly questions?
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by Jimmy on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is my comparison more unfair than yours?
Someone who has more time than me should go through and see what kind of offenses all the starting quarterback in the NFL ran in college.
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by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying is that using Peyton as a basis for comparison will never be fair.
Because you’ll always be right.
The analysis above would be more interesting.
Back to your original point though, while Locker may run a pro style offense, most would compare him to Vince, not Peyton. His mobility is what makes him so attractive.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about Peyton
That was the lazy example for me to use. Too easy.
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by gramsey712 on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me check out my updated
madden ratings for this
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SuperHorn, I agree that pro style vs. the spread isn't everything
But your Drew Brees point confirms mine made earlier. I pointed out that the danger with McCoy is that you risk needing 2-3 years to develop and by then, Fisher/his replacement could be gone with 2-3 subpar years, which then adds a new coach and a new system and that is never good for a young QB.
This happened to Brees. He took a couple years to develop. He took long enough to where San Diego decided to draft a new QB and they traded him.
If the prospects are equal, then I say the offense they run in college factors in. If it’s between McCoy and Clausen, I personally take McCoy. I think Clausen is a HUGE bust.
I know I am alone with Locker, but I think he could be really good and so the offense they ran matters. I think Locker could be good quicker than McCoy.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're in agreement about Clausen.
And, you’re point about Colt makes sense. He actually reminds me a lot of Drew Brees. Great footwork/mobility, and unreal accuracy.
Locker is completing less than 60% of his throws. Check out this article:
To add some substance to my thoughts, I want to look at every quarterback drafted in the first round from 1997-2004 who didn’t complete 60 percent of his passes during his final college season to show the alarming rate of failure.
1997
Jim Druckenmiller, Virginia Tech (Completion Percentage: 54 percent)
1998
Ryan Leaf, Washington State (Completion Percentage: 55 percent)
1999
Akili Smith, Oregon (Completion Percentage: 58 percent)
Cade McNown, UCLA (Completion Percentage: 58 percent)
2001
Michael Vick, Virginia Tech (Completion Percentage: 54 percent)
2002
Joey Harrington, Oregon (Completion Percentage: 59 percent)
Patrick Ramsey, Tulane (Completion Percentage: 57 percent
2003
Kyle Boller, California (Completion Percentage: 53 percent)
Rex Grossman, Florida (Completion Percentage: 57 percent)
2004
J.P. Losman, Tulane (Completion Percentage: 59 percent)
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Cutler and Matt Ryan both completed 59% of their passes their senior year.
by SuperHorn on Oct 26, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I am just impressed he has played well in a program where the talent around him is really, really bad is
It seems those guys have a mental toughness that is harder to develop at a USC, Texas, Florida etc., etc.
Also, those guys usually come into the league knowing how to throw with guys around them and no protection, which is a good skill in the NFL. Matt Leinhart, Mark Sanchez, and even VY to some extent have struggled with that and I think it’s because in college they never had a consistent pass rush in their face.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers aren't that bad.
Especially considering the rest of his team. The fact that he runs the pro-style offense means that we know he can drop back from under center and complete a pass. I understand that a player can be taught this, but I’m not willing to take the chance in this again.
Besides, I don’t want a QB that was in the exact same system as our last failed attempt. Sure, there’s a whole lot of potential, but there’s a whole lot of risk to come with it.
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by Michaeltastic on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard “Mike & Mike” (and guests) talking about Bradford this morning on ESPN Radio and…
… they were saying how he is considered to be something of a “project”. They seem to think his stock will drop because of injury concerns and the fact he needs to work on going through his progressions, which he hasn’t really done in college… mainly due to the type of offense Oklahoma runs. That and other things he supposedly needs work on. They said he may be 3 to 4 years away from being an NFL starter… and that’s if he can stay healthy.
Clausen, on the other hand, is supposedly more ready for the pros. They figured he needs only a year, maybe 2, to be NFL ready.
Apparently, these opinions were formed from talks with certain unnamed NFL personnel people. If what they are saying is true, then obviously Clausen should be taken before Bradford.
Personally, I’d take Clausen ahead of Bradford just based on the injury factor alone…
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by steeler-hater on Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan LeFevour
Doesn’t get as much recognition as he deserves. Watch him play sometime, he’s a big-time player.
I’d take him over Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, and probably even Clausen.
by madhjsp on Oct 26, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clausen...
…if Vy doesn’t work out and we can stop Fisher from another “game manager” QB signing……
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by The Jade Scorpion on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned Claussen just a couple of weeks ago on here,
and was summarily poo poo’d for being an idiot. Go figure.
by Titans_Girl on Oct 26, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it makes you feel better, I still think you're an idiot
I jest, I jest.
I still think Clausen is fool’s gold though.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Oct 26, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Clausen is there
when we pick he has to be the guy. He’s the clearcut #1, it’s not close… Healthy Bradford has to be #2 and Pike is clearcut #3 right now
by Big Bad Bulluck on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone but McCoy or Tebow
Locker is the guy that I have been most impressed with, he’s been great at Washington and they would be winless, again, were it not for him. As someone pointed out above, his numbers are actually very similar to Cutler’s and Ryan’s in college. And honestly, college numbers mean very little, which is why Leach’s Graham Harell is playing in the CFL, right now. I’d personally go with Locker because I think he’s going to be a star, but I’d have no qualms at all with Clausen, Bradford or even Pike or Ponder. I like Lefevour, but he just seems like a project. I’m a little skeptical of Clausen because of Brady Quinn’s struggles and Quinn also looked really good at ND. With Bradford, there are injury concerns, as well as his ability to transition from the spread. But that guy’s accuracy is unreal, though. Pike or Ponder if we somehow turn this season around and end up picking a little later and the other guys are gone.
I really, really don’t want Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow. If they were picked with our top five pick, I seriously would consider abandoning this franchise because of its sheer stupidity.
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by Kellster on Oct 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
As someone pointed out above, his numbers are actually very similar to Cutler’s and Ryan’s in college.
The only similarity is that they are below 60% passing, which is an excellent indicator of a bust. Beyond that, Locker is vastly inferior at passing. His TD/INT ratio is 27/23, while Cutler’s was 31/14, and Ryan’s was 56/37. That’s a huge difference.
I really, really don’t want Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow. If they were picked with our top five pick, I seriously would consider abandoning this franchise because of its sheer stupidity.
How many times have you watched Colt play, and what are your issues with him?
by SuperHorn on Oct 27, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously...
i like mccoy over any of the others.
by TitansFanForever on Oct 27, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Jonathan Crompton?
He has all the tools to be a top-flight NFL QB!
6-4, 225 lbs, cannon arm, and a sweet, sweet Mountain Man Mustache!
After he wins the Heisman this year he will be ready to take the NFL by storm.
Or maybe I need to stop drinking moonshine for breakfast.
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