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The Secret About Albert Haynesworth

Do you want to know a secret?

Do you promise not to tell?

The Titans don't need to resign Albert Haynesworth. And they probably shouldn't.

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Now, I have read what  a lot of message board fans of our beloved team are thinking: "YOUR A MORON ALBERT IS THE BEST!!!! HE IS THE KEY TO OUR DEFENCE!!! WE HAVE TO SIGN HIM HE IS THE KEY TO OUR DEFENSCE!!!"

Look, this was true in 2007. When Big Al wasn't in, our defense was not the same. We gave up chunks of yardage in the run game without him in, and this was well documented in Football Prospectus 2008. But this year....

This year was different. They played absurdly well on defense as a team. They plugged in undrafted free agents, rookies, late round draft picks from Winston-Salem and it didn't matter. Their sack artist from 2007, Kyle Vandenbosch, missed much of the season and produced 4.5 sacks, and they STILL had a killer pass rush.

The point is, due to the past few years of good drafting by Mike Reinfeldt, the Titans are loaded with defensive talent, especially on the Defensive Line, where you can never have enough players.

Believe it or not, there are concerns with Albert Haynesworth not just related to the absurd amount of money he will command on the free agent market. Do people really forget what Big Al was before the 2007 season? It seems so.

Let's remember, this guy was an underachieving, lazy player who didn't get along well with teammates and was the butt of a lot of jokes regarding stomping on the neck of fellow human beings. Then his contract year (surprise surprise) he turns into a beast, being the leader on a defense that spent 2007 carrying the Titans to 10 wins and a playoff birth. Then they franchise him and PROMISE him if he reaches certain numbers and incentives they will not franchise tag him, thus providing him the extra motivation needed to have another stellar year. Which he did. He played wonderfully. And as a fan, I had a blast watching it. But it is weird when you motivate people with $70+ Million what they can achieve.

It's also weird how people never maintain that same intensity after getting the $70+ Million. The Titans have no guarantee whatsoever that the second he puts his John Hancock on that dotted line for a fat contract he won't go back to getting easily injured, surly, missing 6 games while giving a half effort in the other 10. And keep in mind, in two bigtime motivation money years, he still got injured fairly frequently.

Remember Jevon Kearse. We all hammered our front office when he left for the Eagles. Why didn't we pony up the money? He's a star! He gets sacks! He is the key to this defense! Yet.... they were right. Our front office didn't pay up, he took his $64 Million and then never got more than a few sacks in a season. It took a lot of money off the Eagles cap, they reached NFC Championship after NFC Championship and even a Superbowl and never got over the hump. Dumb, fatass meatball Philly fan blames Donovan McNabb. If I were them, I would blame it on the fact that the Eagles couldn't sign an extra veteran or two to provide depth on their defense or get better WR's. Why couldn't they? Because that money was tied up in Jevon Kearse.

The Titans can't make that same mistake the Eagles did. They can't afford to. And they don't need to. The Titans Defensive Line depth is incredible. If they let Haynesworth go and pick up another DT in the draft somewhere, they will be just fine. If anybody disagrees with me, go sign up for NFL.com's Rewind and re-watch the Week 15 Pittsburgh-Tennessee game. Then get back to me. The Titans had a 2nd round rookie from Eastern Michigan get 3.5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles.

So, the Titans should offer him what they have in their budget to offer, wait for Haynesworth to decline, and then watch him get completely overpaid by some lower stratus team where he won't be the same player and eventually will become irrelevant, while we continue onwards and upwards building through the draft and stockpiling young, cheap talent. It's what the Patriots do, it's what the Steelers do, it's what the Titans have started and should continue to do.

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I’d have to partially agree with you. HOWEVER, if we don’t resign Big Al, I’d like us to use all that cap space that we have (which is a whole lot by the way) to improve our offense in a big way. (see the thread about Anquan Boldin). not by signing Justin freaking McCareins or someone of the sort, but someone who will tear it up for us. signing someone that is equal impacting to our offense that Big Al was to our defense.

if we don’t improve our offense, I’d say letting Big Al go was a mistake. if we do, I think we have enough depth on our D-line to make it out okay. besides, the best defense is a good offense.

by Apeman3289 on Jan 21, 2009 1:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree

with this… I think we could survive without Albert. He’s a monster, but after this deal you never know what he’s gonna be like. We are pretty strong along the D-Line so not spending an outrageous amount of money on a guy that your uncertain will keep giving you 100% is scary. All that being said, I still think I’d rather have him than not. He’s really good.

If not we have the perfect reason and opportunity to upgrade and spend money on a major position of need… WR! Preferably Anquan Boldin. LoL

Trade the 1st and 3rd for Q… draft a DT in the 2nd and go CB in every other round. We got Finnegan late. Maybe we can find another gem. We have been known for stockpiling a certain position in the draft. This yr make it CB.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 21, 2009 2:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

As others have said...

…this is a fair point, and one that’s been brought up before. That said, two years is a Hell of a long time for a guy to sit there and try to spotlight. By now, I think that the habits of work are probably pretty ingrained.

Yes, resigning Albert is a gamble—and one the Titans may not take. But that said, it’s part of a coach’s job to find ways to motiovate these guys, and I think Fisher can do that, even in the case of Big Al. That said, I wouldn’t necessarily count on his work ethic if the team were to start losing.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 21, 2009 6:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is stupid

The Titans currently have alot of cap room. If they don’t resign Albert, they will have a surplus of money to spend elsewhere, but where do they spend it? I believe they are 35 million under the cap right now. You can say the Titans can do so much with that money if they don’t spend 13-15 of it on Albert. But the thing is they aren’t in need of any players in positions that command a ton of money.

QB: have VY, but if they do resign KC it won’t be for more than 8 million, so you can do that and still resign Albert.
RB: Set with CJ and Lendale
DE: Set with Kearse KVB and backups.
CB: They could use a corner back, but even the best players at that position don’t command an insane amount of money. So they could sign a CB and still afford Albert.
WR: I would love for them to get Boldin, but I think the asking price from the Cardinals in a trade would be too much. There are no other Free Agent WR’s out there that would be worth signing instead of Albert.

You can say all you want that the Titans had a great D Line even without Albert this year, but the Steelers game was only one game. Also, you can’t rely on Jason Jones, Bell, Vickerson, and whoever else I might be missing to perform like that again. I’d rather rely on a proven superstar like Albert.

Will Haynesworth cost a ton of money? Of course he will and yes he might be overpaid, but its not like the Titans would be sacrificing at other positions to sign Albert. They have a great young team and only need to sign maybe 1 player that would be a starter for next year.

by NYCTitans on Jan 21, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Keeping on that same page...

I’d say having the high money (not over paid) guy on the D-Line is a motivator to the OTHER guys…the Joneses, Bells, etc to do better and stay focused.

“Hey, that guy is getting all that damn money but I can play well, too. Just watch this…”

by palpacino on Jan 22, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you are saying,

but how often do you have the most dominant player in the league at his position on your team? Sure there is risk involved, but they really can’t let him walk.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.

by Jimmy on Jan 21, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're crazy if you let him go...

…. with the amount of cap room we have. Not to mention who wants to face this guy if we stiff him?

The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!

by BigW on Jan 21, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?????

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 21, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, it depends

on whether or not management thinks he is truly committed, or if he has been playing for a contract. Obviously, they would have way more insight than I would, but my point is, if they think he was just playing for a contract, I say don’t top other offers. Keep in mind, A LOT of teams are going to offer him ABSURD money. And we do have cap room, but that would dissapear quickly if we give him a huge contract, and I always look at it like this: What would the Patriots or Steelers do? And honestly, I think they’d let him go.

Now, I don’t like those teams, and with the Patriots I actively despise them, but they are the most successful franchise of the past decade, and the way they runs things works, and so I think it’s worth to emulate, and I doubt they’d top the money Albert is going to be offered, and I don’t think we should either wants you weigh all the risks and rewards. Keep in mind, this upcoming season will be his 9th. How many top years does he have left? Outside of Bryant Young, once DT’s get old, don’t they get old in a hurry? Warren Sapp was great one year, and then REALLY mediocre the next, and ALbert will be commanding aroung a 5+ year deal. Is he really going to be good for that long?

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

RE:
What would the Patriots or Steelers do? And honestly, I think they’d let him go.

The Patriots just franchised their BACKUP QB. Combined they are paying their QBs $29 million next year. If that doesn’t show you they’ll pay for the players most important to their team, I don’t know what does…

by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Patriots QB

Yes, and QB is infinitely more important than DT, so why give a DT more money than a top QB?

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But you're GUARANTEED

To be paying half of that for a player to sit on the bench…

by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but you can always trade cassel once brady recovers, and they have the cap room and it’s only for one year. now if they pulled a San Diego Chargers and had two QBs for big money on long term deals, like they had a couple years with Brees and Rivers, then yeah, it’s stupid, but they’re just making sure that they don’t lose Cassel if Brady doesn’t make a full recovery.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the logic

All I’m saying is that this shows the Patriots willingness to shell out money for players important to the team…even if they may be a backup. The Patriots identity is being able to spread the ball around and you have to have a good trigger man for it to work.

Similarly, our identity is on defense. Get pressure with the front four in order to take pressure off the secondary and allow the LBs to make plays. Albert makes this defense hum.

So in that sense, I’m saying that if there were a key player that was important to the success of the team, the Patriots would have no problem shelling out the cash to keep them on board. Case in point…Matt Cassell.

by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, but I think DT’s are easier to come by than QBs, and thus not worth the money long term-wise. I just don’t want to see us sign him to a huge contract, he doesn’t maintain this level of play, and we have a big cap figure for sub-par play at a position we have a lot of depth at, and historically draft very well at.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't.

The Patriots are paying big money to the most important players on their team. They let others go. But they have kept the core players. They have quite a few veterans on Defense, to the point where—for the past two years—their Defense has actually been OLD.

Both the Colts and the Steelers use the same philosophy.

If TN is headed in the same direction, and if Big Al is really and truly the most important aspect of the most important part of the team, then it’s in keeping with the philosophy to pay him to stay.

I hate putting it in these terms, but Big Al is the Peyton Manning of the Titans’ Defense, and he’s gonna get paid that way.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 21, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He isn't

But he isn’t the Peyton Manning of our defense. Our defense still plays at a very high level without him. We are still a playoff team without him. Maybe not 13-3, but definitely at least a Wild Card, and possibly still 13-3.

The Colts, on the other hand, without Peyton Manning this year are what, 6-10? Maybe? Haynesworth is nowhere near the value of Peyton Manning. If we had a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady, I would expect us to pay up like they did. But we don’t, and Haynesworth doesn’t have near that type of value. He didn’t even win Defensive player of the year.

And it is a fact DT’s are easier to come by than QB’s. By a mile.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lolz

pwntzors

May Simos smile upon your everlasting soul.

by sampetschulat on Jan 21, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

our team has played at a high level without albert ONCE

against a crummy o-line to boot. not re-singing albert would be really stupid with our huge cap space, and it better only happen if they decide to spend the money on boldin, housh, jacobs, or asomugha instead. but we could resign collins, albert, and one of those 4 i named and still have tons of cap space for next year. i would bet that if we let albert walk he ends up in jacksonville or houston too, cuz they both have 15+ mil of space. that alone is why we should keep him.

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by hal41605 on Jan 21, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

check that,

i would bet the farm that it’s jacksonville if we don’t snag him. albert is a southern boy, and it would reunite him with big john henderson from his rocky top days. DO. NOT. WANT!!!!!

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by hal41605 on Jan 21, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be lose, lose, lose right there

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by Jimmy on Jan 21, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry Tuna

You wouldn’t have to worry about them chasing around Brodie Croyle anymore.

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 21, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Point

You make a good point about the years hes been in the league, although this will be his 8th not 9th. But as far as long term deals go in the NFL, no contract is guaranteed, so a team can sign a player to a 5 year deal and then cut him after the 3rd year if they think he is past his prime without having to pay for the other 2 years. I’m sure Albert will demand a certain amount of guaranteed money, but not such an insane amount that if the Titans sign him for 5 and cut him after 3 that it would kill their cap for those 2 years.

Hopefully this situation never arises. I hope the Titans sign him to a long term deal and he finishes his career with them and performs like a Pro Bowler for the rest of his career.

by NYCTitans on Jan 21, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eh

I’m gonna disagree here. As others have pointed out, we have the cap room. I can’t see anyone that is more worthy of taking a risk on. We pay these coaches to keep the players focused and motivated. I have faith that they can do their job.

And, I’m not sure the Jevon Kearse example is a fair one. He’s said more than once that the scheme caused him problems. Who knows if that’s true, but he isn’t the only example of a FA leaving his team and under performing elsewhere. We know what Albert can do in this defense, which presents a much smaller risk than rolling the dice on another player and hoping they adapt.

Last, the backups on the d-line are solid, but it’s a stretch to think that we can expect that sort of performance for 16 straight weeks. Both Dave Ball and Jason Jones had their success later in the year, playing against worn out offensive lines that had gone through the gauntlet of the regular season. We’re lucky to have such depth on the line, and it makes this team that much more dangerous. But those guys haven’t proven they can do their job in a starting role, maybe they can, but it’s still a larger gamble IMO than giving Albert the money he deserves…

by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Right on.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 21, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That crummy O-line is now in the Superbowl.

ANd I would spend the money on draft picks and lower priced veterans to provide depth at key spots. Maybe a CB for a good price. Haynesworth has maybe 3 good years left at best, and he will get something at 5+ years and $65 million or more. Why pay that for a guy who until these past two contract years has chronically underachieved and may be heading towards a steep decline? We got his two best years out of him, now we let some other team overpay, keep the draft picks and the money, and continue to build depth.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Do you want to resign Kerry Collins?

He has “chronically underachieved” as well.

Keep the draft picks? You don’t have to give away draft picks to resign AH. We can resign him and sign our draft picks.

by SuperHorn on Jan 21, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t recall Kerry Collins demanding a huge salary, so it isn’t related to this.

I did not mean to imply that we would lose them if we sign AH. I meant it more as use the draft picks, I don’t even know why I said keep.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also if we had the depth at QB as we do at DT, then yes I would say no need to resign Collins. but we don’t have any depth there.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't know all the personalities yet, Horn.

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 21, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Superhorn is a big Big BIG fan of VY's.

So your statement that we don’t have depth at QB made his skin crawl.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 22, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To everyone who says keep they money

It’s not as if the Titans dont spend it all this year that they will get to spend the rest next year. They get a certin amount to spend each year and it would be stupid to not spend the maximum allowed in the salary cap every year. In the NFL theres no such thing as saving money to spend mor enext year like in baseball. The Titans are forutnate enough to have a ton of cap space this year and they should take advantage of it by resigning their best player. And once again the length of the deal does not matter. They can release him anytime they want and wont have to pay the remainder of his salary.

by NYCTitans on Jan 21, 2009 2:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It does make sense

All contracts are back weighted, especially in the NFL. So, it may keep us under the cap this year, but what about next year? Or the next?

And he will demand a HUGE amount of guaranteed money, which comes off your cap whether we cut him or not. A few years ago, we paid this price where we had cut all our old guys, went 5-11 and STILL were $35 million over the Salary Cap, because we had back-loaded all these contracts of our veterans. If you cut a guy, his cap number doesnt dissapear, it only is reduced. but if we pay Haynesworth around $10-13 million a year average, then cut him, we will be paying $5-6 million on the cap for him the years after we cut him. So it will effect us in how long we sign him.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Reinfeldt has actually front weighted most

of the contract extensions he has done i.e. Finnegan, Roos and Stewart.

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by Jimmy on Jan 21, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s smart. I’ve always wondered why GM’s didn’t do that more. Maybe for fear of a holdout?

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 21, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also because it encourages guys to try to renegotiate for a bigger pay-day.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 22, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We

need Big Al!!!!

by RhiNo6705 on Jan 21, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

T--Rac's Posse speaks the truth

How quick these fans forget about the years we gutted our team because we were in cap trouble. Maybe thats the years they hocked their season tickets to the visiting teams because we sucked that bad. That will happen again, if we pay fat albert. yes he has been the best DL the past two years. Those were contract years, pros in all sports stats jump up in contract years. we have a lot of young studs on that D Line and some of the best coaches. Those years we sucked and we sucked, we had players starting on are team that shouldnt have been in the lague.

'You know what time it is!!!!' "Its time for the pain train!!!!' WHOO WHOO!!!!!

by TitanTrav on Jan 21, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Like

who? Lamont Thompson?

by RhiNo6705 on Jan 21, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DON'T YOU TALK BAD ABOUT LAMONT THOMPSON.

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 21, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You would be a Lamont fan

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by Jimmy on Jan 21, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There has to be one...

Good lord, think about this team:
 - J. Mac at WR
 - Rey Hill at CB
 - L. Thompson at Safety
 - And VY at QB

That’s the Titans, baby!

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 22, 2009 6:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget about Chris Henry at tailback.

And that’s the Greatest.Team.Eva.

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 22, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you're gonna go that route, then you can't forget...

…Tyrone Calico to run opposite J. Mac

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Jan 22, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This might be a fun fanpost.

Where were you when Alge fumbled? I was in 339, hatin' Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Jan 22, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fred Miller at T

THat guy got more holding calls than I thought was possible to draw. He’s also a jerk, so I may be biased.

In high school I was a pizza delivery driver, and we got an order from Fred Miller, and he made it clear it was Fred Miller, so we took it even though he lived out at the Governors Club. I am sure some of you Middle Tennesseeans know what this is, but for those who don’t, it’s a neighborhood of multi-million dollar mansions located in the middle of nowhere, and it was a good 7 miles outside of our delivery zone, as we were in Cool Springs. So I drive out there, it takes 17 minutes one way to get there, and the order was $22.79. He gave me a check for $23.00 and told me to keep the change.

So, I’ve never been a big fan of Fred Miller, but he did draw a lot of holding calls.

http://t-racsposse.blogspot.com

by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 22, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There are Lamont Thompson fans?
To quote one of my favortie Christmas movies “That’s shocking”.

by DonFrancisco on Jan 22, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well put

i think we’d be fools to sign him.

by vancouverTITAN on Jan 21, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I do not want to see

Albert on another team. I shudder at the thought of him on another AFC team. The idea of him on another AFC South team… inconceivable. disruptive defensive tackles that regularly and gleefully wreck offensive game plans and who are so intense that their own team-mates stay clear of them on the sidelines are not a dime a dozen.

that is all.

by numbertenox on Jan 22, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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