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$0.01- "Crazy Legs" is a name unbecoming of such a fantastic player.  

 

$0.02- Can we now finally admit that playing Kerry Collins over VY was one of the silliest moves in coaching history.  Lesson learned: offense has to come from somewhere.  CJ made defenses play on their heels.  What happens when he's out of the lineup and Kerry is working with last year's weapons...well, the second half happens.  Our D played insanely well, but the paucity of Offensive weapons ended our season.  Draft a burner.  Spread the field.  Scare the D.  Let VY be the best player in the NFL.  Does anyone really want to bet against that man?

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I Hate It

but I agree with you right now. Once CJ was out this team became totally predictable. Yes, Collins still made some nice throws, but overall there was no one on the field to get the Ravens D on their heels. CJ plays in the second half, I think we see a different outcome, of course there were a million things that didn’t go our way (the delay of game on the last drive was BS) – I hope that VY can step up and take the reins – add a solid #1 WR, and this team will be back next year – we have a solid group of young guys.

I’m sick right now from this outcome…so dissipointing

by NotMyForte on Jan 10, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude we had almost 400 yards of offense against an insane D. Almost 300 yards came from KC. The problem was turnovers period and most of this was not because of KC. That said CJ being out was the turning point of the game

by eawee on Jan 10, 2009 7:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Except I think the reason CJ being out is such a problem is that they don’t have to respect the run, so the defense that they throw at Collins changes.

by theologic on Jan 10, 2009 11:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

people who use this game to attack collins are ignorant

his one big mistake was essentially a punt. he converted crucial 3rd downs, passes vy makes 2 out of 10. he didn’t fumble twice, he didn’t commit back breaking penalties. he didn’t hand baltimore 10 points by letting flacco complete dead duck lobs for big gains into double coverage twice. please, blaming collins is just proof of a lack of understanding concerning the game of football.

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by hal41605 on Jan 10, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't blame Collins

He played well.

To the point of this post, though, I just didn’t see anything from him that takes this team to the next level. I think he did a great job this season minimizing mistakes and executing the offense – exactly what a pro like Kerry should do.

I’m looking forward to Vince fulfilling his potential next season. A tough year mentally I’m sure for him, but I would bet he’s learned quite a bit and hopefully he’ll apply what he’s learned on the field next September.

by LeftHandedTexan on Jan 10, 2009 7:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sort of agree

Collins is a good QB

But Vince could be a great QB. Of course, that all depends on VY and noone else.

I think next season we need 1 more offensive playmaker. I think that either an improved VY or a reciever to partner with Gage.

by theologic on Jan 10, 2009 11:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The injury to Johnson

was huge for the Ravens defensive game plan. Who knocked him out? Was it a hit by Ray, I believe? Lewis knocked out a couple of others this season, as he is still a beast. I saw an interview where he said he’s beefed up to 260 pounds to hit harder. Ouch. Anyway, I’m sure we’ll disect the game all week long. I’m thrilled for the Ravens victory but have to tip my hat to a shutdown defense like you have. Us Ravens fans know how to appreciate a solid defense playing well all game only to have the offense not hold up its end.

Wish us luck in Pittsburgh, or preferably, San Diego, but I doubt it.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 10, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean the one

where they were trying to keep him from stretching for the first down. Come on, football is a physical game. Don’t tell me shit doesn’t go on in the pile on EVERY play? Wasn’t dirty, just physical like the Ravens bring it every game. You should know, as the Titans are just as tough and would definitely do the same thing to stop forward progress from a guy who was getting good yardage.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think

it was that play where harris got the penalty for defending johnson when three ravens were bending him in half

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by Xfactor31 on Jan 10, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i think the “bend” got him….but the Harris penalty was away from the play..i think.

by raven on Jan 10, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really wish VY would have been put in the game

his running skills would have added a spark. Remember when VY was a rookie and KC was our starter? We had packages and sets for VY to still get into the game, and I realize that was with a different coordinator, but dont you think we could have set him up a few times? Dinger is a better coordinator that Chow was so you would figure he could get him into the game in some creative packages. Just my thought.

by Shainoc on Jan 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not too sure why...

…you guys didn’t keep VY’s head in the game by using him in a sort of “Wildcat” formation throughout the season? He could have made some plays with his feet and his arm. I know you didn’t exactly need it, but it would have been another thing to worry about. The Ravens did it pretty well with Troy Smith coming in to take the snap, throw, run or hand it off.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 11, 2009 12:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

watching the Arizona game..and the ball is going up and down the field every minute..wierd after our brawl. Warner is scary.

by raven on Jan 10, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Collins put you in scoring position..what more could VY do?

by raven on Jan 10, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I under stand that

I just wanted a spark once we started to stall you know? I know it sounds crazy but the season was on the line today and I just wanted to see the coaching staff dig a bit deeper you know? Hell they ran an end around against the lowly Lions you know? Just something.

by Shainoc on Jan 10, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

391 yards of offense

no spark? please. utterly ridiculous. if crumpler or white don’t fumble we win the game with out cj in the second half and collins is the hero

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by hal41605 on Jan 10, 2009 8:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should be more upset with our O than you…funny how Flacco is getting all the media with a 12 for 22 performance. collins was the better qb today and, for the most part, had the game won for you. collins could point fingers everywhere but he won’t. he lost his rb and center and put up nearly 300 yards on the number 2 D with average receivers.

by raven on Jan 10, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True Story

What cost the Titans this game were turning the ball over inside the Baltimore 20 three times and committing 12 penalties.

Collins, IMHO, had one of his better days throwing the ball. The only two things he could be faulted for were the pick early in the game, and holding on to the ball and taking the sack instead of throwing it away. He was accurate with the ball, putting it were only his guys would be able to make the catch, and was throwing with a lot of power. Had he not overthrown Gage on the post route this game may well have ended differently.

What lost the game for the Titans today were penalties and turnovers. Had Young been under center this game would not have been close.

If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

by jasonkylebates on Jan 10, 2009 8:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say if Mawae is the Center

We probably win the game… Couple more crucial mistakes in there by Harris.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 10, 2009 11:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

Maybe not tho.

Harris was awesome in protection. Mawae is not as strong as him. Who knows if he would’ve done as well.

Really excited about Harris’ future tho!

by theologic on Jan 10, 2009 11:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flacco gets the credit

not so much for what he does, but for what, as a rookie, he doesn’t do. Namely, turn the ball over. He hits the key passes, regardless of his stats, has a rocket for an arm, and just does not make mistakes. Therefore, was Collins really the better QB yesterday, otheer than on paper?

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 11, 2009 12:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks to you guys

for being just as good about it. Your posters and fans are as good as any.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 11, 2009 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kerry collins played awesome

for us this season, giving the circumstance he came into. do i think he’s the long term solution? no. but its absolutely ridiculous to think that vince young would have done any better. remember, vince QUIT on his team and gave collins the opportunity to take this team to the top of the division. collins put up alot of yards against a great defense and has nothing to be ashamed about. this game was just old fashioned bad luck. thats football, but i’m still bitter about it.

by vancouverTITAN on Jan 10, 2009 10:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really can't believe

anyone on here is even mentioning VY after a game like today… If Vince was QB we may have mustered up 3 points thanks to CJ, and we probably wouldn’t have had the oppurtunity to fumble away a victory. They would have just shut down our 1 dimensional Offense. You people must be kidding.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 10, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe it...

Kerry did a great job this year. However, like I said above, I didn’t see anything Kerry did that Vince couldn’t. And if he can’t, he certainly will be outta here.

I think Fisher believes Vince can play like Collins did this year – and probably much better.

Are you so down on the guy you can’t see him being successful here?

by LeftHandedTexan on Jan 10, 2009 11:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

vince young

is not consistently accurate
cannot read defenses

there’s what kerry did that vince can’t do.

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by hal41605 on Jan 11, 2009 9:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw a whole lot

yesterday and all year long for that matter that Kerry Collins could do that Vince cannot and maybe will never be able to do. Throw the ball downfield! Throw it downfield with accuracy. Making good decisions for the most part. Vince can’t even figure out whether or not he should run at this point let alone make throws.

What makes you think Fisher feels that Vince can do what Collins did? I think Bud is the only guy thats got Vince’s back right now, other than some of us.

I can see him being successful… Just not sure how yet. I love him, I hope he really gets it together and does well. He has a lot to offer.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 11, 2009 3:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd argue

That Vince throws a better deep ball than Kerry. Has Kerry hit a receiver deep in stride all year?

But, you’re right about everything above, and IMO a LOT of that is on the coaching staff because the player we saw last year and against the Colts was completely different than the Vince from 2006. It’s like he’s thinking instead of reacting.

I hope he can get it together. Because of the threat his legs pose, if he can be just equal to Kerry in the passing department, we’ll be infinitely better on offense.

by SuperHorn on Jan 11, 2009 6:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think

its close. Kerry has been good at throwing the deep ball his whole career… I’ve yet to see Vince do it consistently. Not that either has had a deep threat at WR while here which is why we need to draft one for once.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 11, 2009 8:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you don't put VY in this game at all

But who knows about next year. If VY improves or Simms for that matter.

by theologic on Jan 10, 2009 11:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with that...Kerry had it under control...

No need to put VY in there…hopefully he learned something from Kerry…how to handle himself in adversity.

Collins did a lot for himself as a player and person this year…

by LeftHandedTexan on Jan 11, 2009 12:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone with eyes can see

that Vince has the higher upside than Collins, but to suggest that this team would have been 13-3 with Vince at QB is a little silly. Playing Collins was the absolute right choice for this season. Vince will get his chance in camp. I hope he steps up, but right now I don’t have a lot of faith in that.

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by Jimmy on Jan 11, 2009 8:07 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll disagree with you a little here...

Not necessarily saying that the Titans would have gone 13-3, but would they have gone 8-8? I doubt it.

Here’s the thing about VY this season – not enough evidence to determine what would have happened this year. I don’t think one game was enough to know.

There’s been high expectations for Vince, and in some ways he met those expectations (Rookie year), and a lot of other ways he hasn’t (disappointing 2007). 2008 is an incomplete.

Given everything that happened this year, Collins was absolutely the right choice for this year – agree with you there. However, I still believe Vince is too talented and driven a person not to overcome his deficiencies and have a year at least as good as Collins had this year – I wouldn’t be surprised however to see him really break out over the next 2 years.

BTW Jimmy, just want to say awesome how you’ve grown this site over the past 3 seasons. Kudos for all of the hard work and dedication. I appreciate it! It’s one of my “must visits” every day!

by LeftHandedTexan on Jan 11, 2009 12:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree

but still thought it might help his future growth if Fisher hadutilized me in the Wildcat formation so he could get some sort of game action, as well as a little bit of confidence and the feeling that he is wanted and part of the team.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 11, 2009 12:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Help his future growth?

Formations and offenses like that in college are the reason the good, athletic qbs don’t progress into good passers in the NFL in the 1st place… Game action carrying the rock or running read plays isn’t gonna help Vince.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These past few seasons have taught me

To trust Fisher and Co. As Jimmy said, Vince will get his shot this offseason. Fish will have the best guy under center in September.

On a side note, the blame isn’t on Kerry for this one. He performed reasonably well.

by SuperHorn on Jan 11, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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