I like how people are talking about how awesome Collins was yesterday. Yes, that throw on 3rd and 15 was clutch but it was a screen pass for God’s sake. That play was made because Dinger called the perfect play and the Jags were completely out of position. He came in and threw 2 passes that the recievers happened to catch. I’m not at all defending Vince but please be realistic when you look at Collins’ game.

and I’m not talking about his knee.

I think that the ball is in Fisher’s court to do whatever needs to be done to correct the mental issues with VY. His game was not bad yeaterday. The Titans front office need to understand that top WR’s are important to a team. The truth will be seen if the WR position will catch the ball from Collins. I also feel that Fisher has a directive from Adams to make the VY era work.
Like Jimmy said so well the Titans have a huge upside. A great defense and a win over a superbowl pick.

he barely scrambles, it seems, compared to his first year and that’s what he has always been great at. I know he was hurt last year, but he’s got to run when he’s hurt as well because no NFL player is ever 100%.

Hey Jimmy — not sure if the comment in your post was in refrence to me “jumping in on the bashing” — because it wasn’t my intent to come over here and bash the Titans — I am a huge Titans fan, for the record. I think the point of my comment was that something is going on with Vince, and it’s not the knee injury — as you said, he does not seem to be there mentally — and like I said, he does not seem to have that “desire to win” do whatever it takes to win mentality that we saw from him coming out of college.

I don’t think in any way Collins is a better QB or a better playmaker — but the passing game seems to click a little easier when he is in. Yes he is going to throw INT’s — but you can see that he is a better reader of the defense when he makes throws (not talking about yesterday, just in general). Young needs to develop in his ability to read coverages, know where to throw when his first read isn’t open, know when to tuck it and run, etc. He just seems to hesitate or panic when his guy isn’t where he is supposed to be.

Like you said — I hope, during the time off, he gets his act together physically and mentally. I want to see him develop into the playmaker we know he can be — this year, we can’t use the excuse that our offensive coordinator and VY don’t get along — and while he does not have outstanding talent around him, he should still be able to make some plays throwing the football. GO TITANS!

The demeanor of Vince Young is pathetic, I am from Toronto and Ill share with you a comparison that is eerily similar.

Vince Cater was drafted by the Raptors in the NBA and burst onto the scene in his first few years becoming a budding superstar. He carried the Raptors all the way to the last seconds of a game 7 in which he missed a shot that had it fell, would have put the raptors into the East finals.

I guess something happened that off season because mentally he was never the same player, he was never the same leader. For some reason that season he decided he was not going to do anymore what made him so dynamic (DUNK! and drive to the basket). For the next few years he settled for jump shots and his value as a player decreased 10 fold.

It seemed every game he would get hurt and lie on the court, and when he got helped off he would sit on the bench, head in hands, pouting. Sound familiar anyone?

I guess i just have bad luck with my teams and their Vince’s. Vince Young has seemed to stop doing what makes him dynamic, running the ball. He goes to the bench and buries his head in his hands. You would think that since him and the receivers are pathetic together, going over to them and talking/looking at pictures would help. But none of that happens.

If you all don’t know, Vince Carter has not been doing well since the Raptors traded him to NJ for basically nothing. I think last year he averaged around 16 points, a career low, and the Nets were brutal. Luckily the titans have a lot of pieces that can keep us successful but if Vince Young does not get his head in the game and retool mentally than I just don’t see him coming out of this funk.

Hes got to just start having fun again. Until we can see that I’m sorry but i just don’t want to see him on that football field “leading” our team.

Lets look on the bright side.

1. We are 1-0 beating a divisional foe and a superbowl favourite.
2. Indi, Jacksonville, and SD lost
3. Pats won, but lost, bigtime.
4. Can I say the colts lost again? cause they did, and they looked pathetic.
5. We did not just beat the jaguars, we dominated them. To me they looked like a 5-11 team not an 11-5 team.

VY needs to get it together. It’s frustrating to want our QB to get back to his “rookie year” level of play which I would be thrilled with at this point… He isn’t making progress and it could be for a ton of different reasons (RECEIVERS) but it hasn’t happened right? Well… let me ask you this.

Is one offseason under Dinger, and one game against a GREAT J’ville defense make me think that VY will never get it? NO!!!!!!!!

If Kerry Collins lights it up against a LOUSY Cincy Defense am I gonna think any different about our QB situation? NO!!!!!!!

I don’t doubt Vince or his ability to be a great player the only thing I’m worried about is the leadership. If he really was gonna give up on the team and not go back out ___BOOM outta here! I’ll be the first one to say it… but we don’t know what happened there exactly. Vince is still a young man and will take time to become a great player… Right now, with this team we just need him to not make those huge mistakes in our own 20, hold on to the football and get back to using what got him to the NFL…his legs

That we are having this VY melodrama in a situation/season where it looks like we could get to the playoffs with Jimmy behind center.

I have watched every Titans game over the past decade and have to say that this was one of the most confusing experiences I have ever had.

For years, we were spoiled with the ability of Steve McNair to play in any game despite any injury and take the team on his shoulders in the fourth quarter. Keep one thing in mind- McNair led by example, Eddie George was the voice of the team. The super bowl year we had one of the best defenses in the league that included a breakout from the Freak.

This year, we have one of the best defenses in the league, and a rookie breakout from Johnson. Vince Young will not have to put the game on his shoulders and make the big plays, see last year Houston. As a matter of fact, he won’t have to do anything but MANAGE THE GAME.

I can remember sitting in the upper deck at the coliseum when we lost to the ravens in that garbage AFC divisional game- the reason.. AL DEL GRECO. As if the three missed field goals weren’t enough, one of them was returned for the touchdown that beat us. Keep this in mind- Trent Dilfer was the quarterback of the Super Bowl winning Ravens that year. Then if you look it was Brad Johnson with the bucs and later it was Ben garbagburger with the Steelers…. MY POINT – you don’t need an MVP quarterback to win the superbowl when you have a defense like the ravens, bucs, or steelers ….. or like ours this year. All we have to do to make it this year is keep our D-line healthy and MANAGE THE GAME.

That being said, one thing I would like to highlight is one of the reasons I was so excited about getting VY – his relationship with Steve McNair…… supposedly he has been called a father figure and a mentor for young while he was at Texas …. EARTH TO TITANS ORGANIZATION – where the hell is Stevie Mac in this grave time of need for our young quarterback…. Vince’s pouting on the sideline and lack of leadership of anyway make me wonder why the hell he hasnt been connected to McNair at the hip. McNair is the classiest of quarterbacks – and he was a leader …. why the hell can’t he mentor this baby-streak out of Vince …. let’s face it, Collins will do a fantastic job of managing the game and we will win with a good effort from the d-fense , but Vince Young hasn’t lost his potential – he needs coaching and he needs a boost. Norm Chow’s bullshit comments about not wanting him surely affected his self-confidence and either we figure out a way to fix it or its time to start talking trades.

-First Post on MCM, many more to come

Hentrich is my Homeboy

VY does win games, period. I don’t know how sometimes….I don’t know if it is because of him or despite of him, but he has a very good record as an NFL QB. This isn’t what any of us anticipated at the end of the ‘06 season, but it’s where we are. I agree with Hentrich is my Homeboy…we need to bring McNair in for some sort of role with the team. He could help out. LIke someone else said above, we are 1-0 and a lot of good teams lost yesterday in the AFC. It could be worse (we could of lost to the Bears at home!)

IT WOULDNT HURT TO MAKE A ROSTER SPOT FOR INGLE MARTIN AS A 3RD STRING. OTHER THAN 1 POOR PRESEASON GAME HE DIDNT LOOK BAD AND AS FAR AS FREE AGENT QBS OUT THERE I DONT KNOW OF ANY WORTH HAVING.

I do not know what I could say that has not already been said, but it might feel good to get it off my chest. I have always been in favor of VY. He got off to such a great start his rookie year. Just watching the passion he had for the game of football and seeing how much fun he was having on the field was refreshing to see. I know he is not Payton, or Brady, but I always thought if they let Vince be Vince than the skys the limit for this team. I was and still am able to accept the growing pains of him in a new system, his poor throws, etc. if he plays the way he is capable of, but Vince said it himself during preseason that he needs to start having more fun out there and picking his team mates up when they are’nt playing so good. That is the Vince we all knew his rookie year and the one we hoped to see last year and this year. I like the rest of you dont know for sure what happened to him, but he needs a good swift kick in the ass. Like I said earlier I can tolorate a lot, but a grown man pouting I can not put up with. Solomon Wilcox said it perfect during the game… Mc Nair would put the team on his shoulders and drag them to the goal line , but the team is forced to VY on their shoulders. I like most of you hope to see the old VY when he comes back from this injury. My 7 year old son thinks he is the best thing since sliced bread, and I would hate to have to take his VY jersey from him though what kind of example is he setting for young kids that love the game of football. If this is a glimpse of things to come than I am ready to cut our losses. However with that being said I would LOVE to have the old VY back!!!!!

On a brighter side how about that Nasty “D” and “Crazy Legs”

is that VINCE is the person that made this team believe in themselves, helped them believe they can win. Now he’s losing belief in himself.

It seems like since he’s come along the Titans have what it takes as a team. He just needs to believe he’s the man. He has the talent, he has that special “IT” factor people talk about when they talk about the great ones. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. It’s definitely there. I really believe he will pull it together. I think Fisher and Dinger need to get in his face and make him work and earn everything he gets from here on out. Every minute of playing time.

Relax!

This is unbelievable. Everyone is making too big a deal about a little bump in the road. So Jacksonville got to VY and shook his confidence. He’ll recover and the team will move on.

THE BEST MEDICINE FOR VINCE TO TAKE THE ROPES COMPLETELY OFF AND LET HIM PLAY A GAME HIS WAY, HIS STYLE??

There isn’t much to add except that I do agree with Air McNair 9; Vince struggled against a vey good Jaguars defense. We expected a physical, close game and we got one. I am terribly excited about this season.

Say what you want about Vince, but he wins games. Collins is a good backup, but I am NERVOUS about going into next week with him as the starter.

Something is up with Vince; he’s not having fun out there. The coaches will help him get his mind right, because if they don’t they will have a revolt on their hands. It’s tough because I love Vince. However, I have to remember that I love the Titans more. I haven’t given up on him. He’s got another year or two before I do that, but he’s got to start growing.

I think part of the problem is that Vince may be still running on fumes from his days as a god at UT. When they retired his jersey a few weeks ago 100,000 people turned out to honor him.

The opimist in me says he will get over it and focus on the goal at hand, because this team has too much potential to fail because Vince can’t grow up.

The pessimist in me says that he had some GODAWFUL moments on the sideline yesterday, including after the touchdown run by Lendale that put us ahead he wasn’t even celebrating the score, just moping like a three year old.

I have faith that Vince can turn it around. I hope he does, because if not we are going to be in trouble. I know I’m not the only one who remembers Kerry Collins stinking up the joint two years ago for the first five games of the season.

MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. THE FRUSTATION COULD HAVE BEEN HE FELT HE WASNT GETTING ANY HELP WITH THE RECIEVERS LACK OF CATCHING, ROUTES AND TIMING. IT JUST DOWN ADD UP THAT HE WAS ONLY DOWN ON HIMSELF. AFTER ALL IF THEY HAD CAUGHT THE CATCHABLE BALLS HE WOULDNT HAVE LOOKED SO AS BAD. JC LET ME DOWN YESTERDAY. HE IS THE VETERAN. AS FOR THE INTERCEPTIONS 2 IS NOT AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER AND ONE OF THEM WAS A PICK. MAYBE VINCE IS GETTING TIRED OF NO HELP DOWNFIELD. HE HAS BEEN UNDER PRESSURE TO IMPROVE HIS PASSING AND IF THEY CANT CATCH IT…………WELL…PUT YOURSELF IN HIS SHOES………….

Let him play until Vince is healthy, and then he can retire again on the Titans roster. In the meantime he can mentor VY back to a mentally healthy place.

doesn’t anyone remember chris simms playing with a ruptured spleen? lets bring him on, create a little competition….

Ok, so yeah, the Colts have injury problems, but we still have an elite team and we are going to be fine.

The Titans however… well you guys spent a top 5 pick on a loser. Yep, a guy who is an immature punk and a bad player.

Mark my words now… Vince Young won’t be in the league in two years except maybe for the Raiders.