The State of Vince Young
by Jimmy on Sep 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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PrintLet me start by saying that I hope Vince Young gets the help that he needs. There are things that are more important than football, and if he is truly battling depression that is a result of chemical imbalance, he does need to get some help.
Now we move on to the football part of this equation. I have been firmly entrinched in the VY camp since they called his name on draft day. If you have spent any amount of time on this blog you know that. The leadership skills he showed in college and in his rookie season left no doubt in my mind that he was going to be a great NFL quarterback.
Between the end of his rookie season and the start of his 2nd year he lost something. I have no idea when, where, or how it happened, but it happened. In his current state of mind, he is not fit to be an NFL quarterback. Read that carefully, I did not say he will never be fit to be an NFL quarterback. As we sit here on September 10, 2008, Kerry Collins is a better option for the Titans. That would be the case even if Vince Young did not have an injured knee.
Now to this statement from his mom; Come on Felicia. Did you really think that was going to help? And please, don't use words like persecute. I don't think I need to run through a list of the people in history that have been persecuted. What your "baby boy" (and that description is 100% accurate) is going through right now is not persecution. All he needed to do to win over this fanbase is to keep playing with the same fire that he did his rookie season. Sure there were some people that were still saying negative things, but the majority of those 68,000 people that showed up on Sundays were screaming there heads off for him.
And if he thinks the media is tough here, he should take some time and see what Eli Manning was going through in New York before he won the Super Bowl last year. How many negative pieces have you seen written by The Tennessean or The City Paper since he has been here? I bet you can count them on one hand.
And for the growing-up process, I am sick of hearing about that from his camp. I understand he is only 25 years old, but you give up the right to use that as an excuse when you sign a contract with an NFL team for millions of dollars. You might as well be signing away your childhood to become a man. You are now paid to do a job like eveyone else in America. Sure, more people are paying attention to how you do your job every week than most of us, but you are also making a dang lot more money than most of us. As a caller said on the radio this morning, it is time to pull up your big boy britches and go to work.
There also better not be another story about him wanting to walk away from football. I am sure there are a ton of highly successful NFL players who have thought about hanging it up in tough times, but you don't hear it from them in the media. No one respects a quitter. If you want to quit so bad, write a check to the Titans for the rest of the money they gave you up front and walk away.
In high school and college it was all about Vince. It isn't like that in the NFL. When he was going through tough times in college, Mack Brown called him in and said they would design there entire offensive scheme so that he would be comfortable. That isn't going to happen with any team in the NFL, especially not the Titans. It is time for him to take the steps to learn from his coaches what it takes to be successful at this level.
What happens now? In the immediate future, Collins is the quarterback of this team. VY has to use this time while his knee is healing to get himself together mentally. I don't think he should automatically be given the job back when he is healthy. While they will never say this publicly, the team (coaches and players) have lost confidence in him. He needs to earn that back before he is annointed the starting quarterback, and that has more to do with his mental state than his performance on the field.
What do we do now? We cheer for the Titans against the Bengals on Sunday. This will be my last mention of Vince Young and his mental state until he is healthy enough to be back on the field.
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Well said Jimmy...
but I think if Collins sncks, VY should take over when he’s ready to play physically and mentally.
Go Titans!
Hear, hear, Jimmy!
BTW, did you see where Oucho Cinco said he was gonna take it off the field and sock him in the mouth? And then called C. Finnegan our “Michael Jordan”?
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
Bulluck and Ocho
are friends – he’s just messin’ around. It’s hard to get any team news right now because of the VY clusterf**k, but sounds like Haynesworth will sit this week out due to the concussion. I’m less concerned about that than I would have been last year. Our depth looks better this year. I could be wrong, but this year I think the D won’t turn from “awesome” to “suck” like flipping a switch when Al is out like it did last year.
Jimmy you are on point
with your comments on VY. Its not about what the Titans can do for him but what he can do to earnhis paycheck.
Well said.`
I’ve been out of town, and hadn’t heard all of this stuff until very early this morning. I’ll say Vince’s actions leave me dumbfounded. I’ve also said in the past that Vince lost something somewhere along the line, and maybe depression really messed him up. I don’t know. I still think he has the skills to be a fantastic quarterback, but Kerry Collins is clearly the best choice right now.
I’ve been a big Vince defender on this site, but I will not defend any of this. Depression or spoiled baby, this team needs to move forward. I hope Vince can figure his life out, and I hope he plays for the Titans again, but not now or in the immediate future.
The Simms signing is interesting. Can’t say that I like it, but he may pan out. I know how he played while at Texas, but don’t know anything about his pro career. Time will tell.
Go Titans.
Big Bill "You never lose a game if the opponent doesn't score." Darell K. Royal
by Hook em Titans on Sep 10, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
Hmmmm
The whole deal has me worried. Vince was one of my favorites at Texas (from a guy who loves Oklahoma) and was instantly my favorite QB when he was taken 3rd by Tennessee.
I don’t want to see him give up. I understand he needs to get it together, but that really goes for all of us in life. He’s been given gifts that can make a lot of people happy if he knows how to use them right.
His mom said he needs love and support, why does she think that even needs mentioning? I for one won’t give up on him until I absolutely have to.
People mentioning how Collins won’t perform well because opponents will be able to game plan for him. The notion makes me laugh. Our QB is in my opinion the last guy you need a gameplan for. Everyone’s worried about our run game and defense at this point.
Get well, Vince, and soon, I hope. I’m missin’ my favorite QB already.
Yeah
I agree. Collins will do fine. We don’t ask much out of our QB. Plus he’ll have all week in practice to take snaps with the 1st team.
Bad news about Haynesworth sitting out tho. I am a bit uncomfortable, not worried, but uncomfortable about him not playing.
on the Hayneworth front -
He’s a game closer to getting the old Franchise Tag again -
by TrenchantTitan on Sep 10, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet he plays.
He knows the knock on him is availability. That’s why he fought so hard to get back in on Sunday.
That said, I kind of hope he sits because: 1) I want to see Jason Jones in extended action, and 2) This is the best week ever to have all this crap happen. Thank God it’s not Steelers week. Bottom line: let the man sit, and we’ll have him when we need him.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
I'm more worried about Fat Albert than our QB
And that’s a weird thing to say. But I think Vanden Bosch will represent in his absence. I agree to, Haynesworth should get the franchise tag. He’s been a monster since that suspension.
Big Al sidenote
heard a long radio interview with him on espn yesterday and was amazed. he’s a well spoken dude. not as expressive as kevin carter but definitely not the “me hurt quarterback, smash puny human” type of talk you hear from him in post-game interviews.
Yeah, Big Al has always been a smart guy.
And he’s had his own radio show for awhile now.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
I have no idea. Maybe check Wikipedia?
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
He sounded very good for a guy who may not play next week due to his concussion.
Man I hope he’s going to be OK to go on Sunday…
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
As I said, I'd prefer to not take chances.
Him playing with a concussion was NOT GOOD at all.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
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Please don't do this...
“While they will never say this publicly, the team (coaches and players) have lost confidence in him.”
This is unfounded. Without being in the locker room, there is no way you could possibly know what the team is thinking. Until Mawae, Bullock, or any other team member comes out and says so publicly, let’s avoid jumping to conclusions like this so we can prevent this from tail spinning even further out of control…
Too late.
That horse left the barn about ten posts ago Superhorn.
It’s too bad. I thought this would be the one blog that would sound a voice of reason, instead it’s just as hysterical as the others.
Too bad.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
Not hysterical
Find one more thing in the above post that isn’t factual. I never once have said that VY can’t be a successful QB. I just said that with his mental make-up right now he can’t be. I don’t see how that is anything but fact.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles
Most of the post is heresay and opinion.
You would have an easier time pointing out the few facts that ARE mentioned.
First you state that a healthy VY would not be as good as a healthy Kerry Collins.
Kerry Collins is a better option for the Titans. That would be the case even if Vince Young did not have an injured knee.
That’s just ridiculous. I admire Kerry, but there is a reason he’s a backup, and Vince is the starter. This is just idiotic.
How many negative pieces have you seen written by The Tennessean or The City Paper since he has been here? I bet you can count them on one hand.
Oh please. David Climer has written at least ten articles alone that were negative Vince pieces. Is the scrutiny like New York? No, but to say there have been less than ten negative stories about Vince is also ridiculous.
No one respects a quitter. If you want to quit so bad, write a check to the Titans for the rest of the money they gave you up front and walk away.
I have never heard Vince say “I want to quit playing football”. He did have the quote that he claimed was taken out of context with the “I felt like hanging them up after the rookie season” but you don’t have any quotes where Vince himself admitted to quitting.
While they will never say this publicly, the team (coaches and players) have lost confidence in him.
Are you going to claim this is factual too?
Come on Jimmy. I like this blog and I’m a Titans fanatic, but this is getting ridiculous. Just let it go.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
No if you read what I said
I said “one more thing.” Fact wasn’t the right word. Logical conclusion is better. You are telling me you think the VY who refused to go back on the field on Sunday is a better option that Collins? That is ridiculous, and again, I have been beating the VY drum since he got here.
Vince became a quitter in my mind when Fisher had to get in his face to get him back on the field on Sunday IN A GAME HIS TEAM WAS WINNING
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles
You are the one assuming, not me.
You said “Kerry Collins is a better option for the Titans. That would be the case even if Vince Young did not have an injured knee.”. I respectfully think this is complete lunacy.
You are telling me you think the VY who refused to go back on the field on Sunday is a better option that Collins?
Fisher PUBLICLY STATED THAT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. I don’t know why you keep pushing this line, but no one has produced any evidence that Vince “refused” to go back on the field. You are pushing fabricated and unsubstantiated garbage, that is normally beneath you.
Vince became a quitter in my mind when Fisher had to get in his face to get him back on the field on Sunday IN A GAME HIS TEAM WAS WINNING
So despite the fact that Fisher explained what happened in that conversation thusly, and never once mentioned anything about Vince quitting-
(On his exchange with Vince Young on the sideline)
I had an offensive group on the field and the referee is getting ready to wind the play clock and I had a quarterback on the sideline. So if I appeared upset, it’s because I wanted to get the quarterback on the field so we could go. That’s the long of it. I think we’re making an awful lot over the fact that there was some miscommunication on the sideline.
-you are still convinced that Vince “quit” on the team?
You need to separate truth from heresay and opinion.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
You are in the minority here
Not Jimmy.
Do you seriously think that Coach Fisher is gonna say what really happened?
Hells no he won't, and I love him for it.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Exactly
Why did Keith Bulluck say no one on this side of the ball is going to quit?
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles
Why don't you ask him?
Instead of running to conclusions.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
I don't care if I'm in the minority.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
That's fine
But don’t give Jimmy or anyone else a bunch of garbage about being wrong when we all saw what happened on that sideline, and it is obvious that something is wrong, and we don’t need a Captain acting like a 4 year old.
I agree.
I am simply trying to separate fact from opinion.
I agree that Vince needs to grow up, and have stated such several times. But I will defend him from accusations that are based on heresay and opnion instead of facts.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
Well on that basis Pacman was treated pretty unjustly.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Pacman was treated based on the facts.
He was and still is a criminal.
Vince is being treated unfairly based on heresay and opinion.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
No convictions
until then it’s all here say and opinion… none of us know what he did in Vegas or if he treated women the was people said he did.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
He was arrested several times.
He was convicted of several crimes. He was to spend a year in prison for a bar fight in Morgantown, West Virginia while in college. The sentence was later suspended in exchange for two years of probation.
Seriously, this is not a good example. There are plenty of facts to sink Pacman.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
He was never convicted of a single crime as a Titan
He took probation as a pre-trial diversion to avoid pleading guilty (like Brandon Jones did just a few weeks ago), but zero convictions.
Yet, we all pretty much know he did those things.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
You will admit that there are facts indicting Pacman though, right?
Right?
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi
Argh.
The man is gone, August, and he’s only one stripper pole away from permanent exile. Let it go, August.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
I'm not sticking up for him, just using him to make a point...
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Like police involvement, worrying statements from those who were there...
sure. But by your standards laid out above those things are here say and opinon.
That’s all I’m saying. I’m not sticking up for Pac, who is and was a terrible person, I’m just making a rhetorical point that you can’t dismiss everything as base-less conjecture even if you disagree with the interpretation.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
And I'm ecstatic that Pac is gone
but opinion and here say are generally all you get in this game. That’s my only point.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
I've made more excuses and apologies than god about VY and some of his boneheaded escapades
because I felt he deserved them. For once, he’s got to won up to how he’s acting and get some help.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
You said "Kerry Collins is a better option for the Titans. That would be the case even if Vince Young did not have an injured knee.". I respectfully think this is complete lunacy.
Football Outsiders respectfully disagrees with your claim on lunacy.
Vince in ’07 – 83 Defense-adjusted Yards above Replacement; -8.4% Defense-adjusted Value above(below) Average
Kerry in ’07 – 148 Defense-adjusted Yards above Replacement; 15.3% Defense-adjusted Value above Average
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Look up Collins' statistics as the full-time starter in 2006
Not exactly pretty.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He had about 3 days to learn the offense, chief.
I’m not really a Collins fan, but even I’ll admit he was in a hopeless situation then
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
I'd agree
But that bad? Really? It’s not like VY was a seasoned Titan vet when he replaced him and the Titans reeled off six straight wins.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If VY 2008 was as good and as confident as VY 2006
we wouldn’t be having most of this discussion.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Apparently we would
Recall what I responding too. I am responding to statistics from 2007 that allegedly prove that Collins is a better choice than Vince. That obviously does not include recent events. I’d agree that vince has not acted well lately.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
But
Vince had the entire pre-season and six weeks through the regular season to become prepared. Pro-football isn’t just “run around and get open.”
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
When did I say it was?
I’m merely pointing out that Collins is simply not that great of a QB. It’s nice to have a veteran like that as your backup, but really, what has Collins done over the past several years as a full-time starter? Not much. Vince for sure had the entire preseason, but then again, he was just getting acclimated to the NFL as a rookie. You tell me if training camp beats 10+ years of experience. Also, it’s hard to excuse Collins when he’s that bad by Week 3. He threw 6 INT’s to 1 TD, had a 42% completion percentage, and had a QB rating in the forties. Collins can certainly point to many excuses, but that’s pretty awful.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Given
Collins sucked in ’06. Vince did not.
Vince sucked in ’07. Collins did not.
Based on one week of data in ’08 we can presume that there may be a trend.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
What's your one week of data?
Collins threw a screen pass that Scaife took 40+ yards. He then hit Gage for a 20 yard pass. Two passes, one of which was a screen.
In 2007, he threw no TD’s and no INT’s and had pretty unimpressive numbers overall. Is that fair? Not really; he obviously didn’t play much. Then again, if so, you can’t really say how he would have fared as the full-time starter when teams specifically game-plan for him, possibly weeks in advance if they are divisional foes.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Collins’s circumstances coming into the pros are so similar to VY it’s eerie. He’s still around 10+ years later. I have great difficulty imagining VY in the league 7 years from now.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly a fair representation of the facts, either.
Collins was essentially drop-shipped into the organization.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Vince was not supposed to start
At least, not until later in the year. He too was thrown in the fire as a rookie. It cuts both ways.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Vince Young is the starter because he gets paid more than Collins and is younger than he is NOT because he is a better QB.
by MasterRWayne on Sep 10, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
True Story
Unfortunately.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's been the starter because he's a better option than Kerry when his head is on straight
unfortunately said head is not is said position.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
All I'm saying is...
The front office better get with the program and make the decisions that give the Titans the best chance to win, not to save face.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we've given up on him -
But it would only take a bad press confrence at this point. I became a believer and my faith in VY is shaken, but not broken.
Exactly! I'm giving up on him
but I’m effing done making excuses too. It’s on him to put on his big boy pants, regain this team’s and this town’s faith and be accountable.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Ahh Jeez... that's a bad typo. Should have said "I'm NOT giving up..."
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Vince wouldn't be the first...
…supremely gifted athlete to fail in the NFL because he couldn’t adjust to the pace, couldn’t handle the pressure, etc. I don’t think it has much to do with how much money he makes, either. I don’t think the average joe in the street has the mental fortitude to hack it in the NFL, regardless of how much money they were making. Whatever it is that it takes to succeed between your ears is just as hard to come by as the athletic ability you need to get there.
Here’s the thing: I don’t think taking a few weeks off while his knee heals is going to do much to improve his mental outlook. He had the whole summer off from competitive football and he still wasn’t mentally ready for the season. I don’t know how a few more weeks is going to change that. It’s going to take much longer than that, if it happens at all.
FWIW, my personal allegiances to the Texans aside, I wish Vince Young — the person — all the best in confronting his issues. I’m sure everyone who posts on this board has had to do that at some point in their lives — it’s a part of growing up (a party that I suspect Vince is a little late in getting to, through no fault of his own). I know I have.
by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 10, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
I don't find it well said at all...
How can he say that VY had the whole summer to improve mentally. VY didn’t get booed last season.
Last game, was the first that fans expressed their displeasure of Vince by booing him. He wasn’t prepared for that.
I think some people can bounce back immediately from what happened to VY. And I believe he can and he will be a lot stronger.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Sep 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes sense...
…if you believe that being booed is what caused Vince’s mental outlook to go bad, which I don’t. I think there is anecdotal evidence that suggests that his mental strength hasn’t been that great for a while now. And if some fans booing VY is enough to set him off, then I think there is lots of room to question his mental toughness.
I don’t discount the possibility that he’ll come back from this, after all he only needs to look down the sideline at the guy who is starting in his place this weekend to see someone who went through the roller coaster and managed to make it out ok. But I think the curve is pretty steep.
by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 11, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I've made comparisons to Michael Westbrook
He had one great NFL season, but left the game and is now an MMA fighter. And he doesn’t miss football one bit. In fact, he doesn’t even watch it.
So for Vince, we all want him to find himself and be happy. If it’s something other than football, it sucks for football fans that will never see him reach his athletic potential, but if it’s best for him, then that’s the tough decision he has to make.
However, I don’t think he’s done. I think he’ll come back, and really, his mother needs to shut up. It’s Vince’s fault for throwing a tantrum on the sideline, but it’s certainly not his fault leaving his house without his cell phone (maybe he forgot it) and hanging out with a buddy eating chicken wings and watching football. Seriously. That’s what he was doing. Let me repeat that so it sounds as unimpressive as possible: He was eating chicken wings while watching football. You can only blame him here for not talking to the media to straighten things out, which he may not care to do since it’s nobody’s business, but I can’t blame him for this recent bizarre episode. His mother blew it all out of proportion and then made Fisher worried. I’m sure Fisher was pretty exasperated when they found Vince (altogether now) eating chicken wings and watching football with his bud.
This time off may be good for him. All Collins needs to do is hand the ball off and hope the running game and defense do well. Sorry, Collins is a capable back up, but there’s a reason he’s the back-up. I think Fisher would have preferred to sit Young the majority of his rookie year if it wasn’t for the fact that Collins was arguably the worst QB in the league the first few games.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 10, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
"His mother blew it all out of proportion and then made Fisher worried."
Lets not forget that the Tennessean article says it was that plus the evaluation given by a psychiatrist Monday that made Fisher worry.
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
The Tennessean...
a lot of assumptions… not a lot of facts.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Sep 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Off the Bandwagon
Consider me off the VY bandwagon — This guy was crazy-good in college and showed promise in his rookie year — but since then he hasn’t done a thing to impress me, and all this drama is ridiculous. Grow up or get out is all I have to say. We know the guy is capable, but he is nowhere near capable at this point to lead an NFL team.
Bring on the old statue Kerry Collins — maybe now we’ll see some completions down field.
I'm not sure Kerry is such a statue anymore.
15 pounds is a lot of weight to a guy already in decent shape, especially for his age. KC did show the ability to successfully leave the pocket as a last resort in the pre-season.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No
My dad used to run competitively. He’s 53 and weighs about 205 lbs. He ran the California Marathon when he was 51 at 193 lbs. I’ve heard he talk repeatedly about how difficult it is to lose those 12 lbs, and how much better shape he was in.
Admittedly, distance running has different demands than football, but older guys losing weight like that means a lot.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Sep 10, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen to that.
I’m 35 and just ran my first triathalon. I’m down to 185 from a little over 200, and let me tell you, it took a LOT to get down to a decent distance-running weight.
Look, you don’t have to love K. Collins. I mean, I live in NYC and am an occasional bandwagon Giants fan, and I certainly do not love Collins. But he is the QB that is gonna have to pull it together, probably for at least 6 weeks. He’s done a TON of work in the offseason, is intimately familiar with the offense, and has had success in his limited action.
It is what it is. He’s our QB, like it or lump it.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
I like it that KC gets another shot, lets see what he can do now. The 15 lb. trimming will
no doubt improve his mobility. He did make a nice throw on the screen the other day under pressure on 3rd and 15. Everyone knew the Jags would be coming for him and he completed the pass, maybe not that big of deal normally except for he was coming in cold. I
maybe that's why he struggled in preseason
Collins was used to throwing with a tire around his waist!
Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!
Wake Up Tennessee!!!
Trust me… The sooner you realize it the sooner it will be over… Your team is a run & defense team… You guys do not need a high paid QB to get it done… I am an Atlanta Falcons fan, so I know a little about what ya’ll are going through… Of course our QB was a admitted dog killer, and not a gay/crybaby/momma’s boy, but the same difference… VY will be out of the league in a couple of years… For seven long years we were tormented that the next year Vick was going to hit his potential… And the end result is well known… VY has somehow found a way to put even less impressive stats than Vick… VY made a few impressive plays to win a few games his rookie year, but mostly rode the coattails of a very solid defense… Any other QB to post 7 TDs and 19 INTs (not sure of the exact #s) would be getting benched… I would be praying that VY does decide to hang up his jockstrap in exchange for some buttless chaps… Take it from a fan with experience!
by BigSausageForVince on Sep 10, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
We know
we’re not a pass-first team. We don’t have a crystal ball that tells us what will happen with VY. We bicker back and forth about VY’s effectiveness, but the discussions we have usually don’t involve butless chaps references. Even our most annoying VY detractor posts intelligently and in good taste.
We’re sorry you’re Vick-bitter and have homo-phobic issues. We have some psychologists here in TN that might be able to help. Now go away and watch Matt Ryan.
As hope for the best possible outcome....
maybe it’s worth passing along a quote from one of the AP articles today:
“Young was booed in 2004 while in college when Texas was shut out by Oklahoma, and he was benched for the second half of a win over Missouri the next week. He responded by never losing another game.”
Let me add...
After that game, the coaches “let Vince be Vince,” in the sense that they didn’t try to put him into a mold where he didn’t fit. They started building the offense to his strengths. They also made sure that Vince started having fun again.
If VInce rebounds, I hope the coaches can step up and do their part too.
I am not at all sure that "letting Vince be Vince" was really in Vince's best interest...
…long-term. You guys keep saying that as though it is IMPOSSIBLE that he can grow up and be a real passing threat. This is not the case.
McNair was at his best when he was at his best THROWING. And he ran when he had to. That is a very different thing from what you guys are espousing.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
Agree 100%
Jimmy, I agree with you in every thing you said. Thank god someone is telling the truth and not being “polite”.
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