Tennessee Titans 17 Oakland Raiders 16: Quick Recap
Preseason 101: Never get too excited or too disappointed because of the performance in one preseason game. I think we were all, myself included, guilty of getting too excited about last week's game, so watching tonight made us more frustrated than it would have otherwise.
The offense was ugly tonight. I don't want to see another 30 comments about how Kerry Collins should be the starter. Was Vince Young bad tonight? Yes. Was Collins any better? No. The quarterback is not the problem with the current state of the offense. Lavelle Hawkins made a great play tonight. Unfortunately he is the only person on the offensive side of the ball that made a play. If the Titans don't get some receivers to step up, it doesn't matter who is taking the snaps.
The defense was solid against the run. They were not very good against the pass. The pressure was sporadic at best, and JaMarcus Russell did a great job of moving around in the pocket to make some plays. He made a great throw against good coverage from Keith Bulluck for the touchdown.
If you are going to judge who the starter should be from this game, you have to pick Ingle Martin. He lead a fantastic drive down the field to set up the game winning field goal by John Vaughn.
Don't let yourself lose sleep over this game. There is still a lot of work that will be done before the games count. I will be back tomorrow with some observations from watching the game on the DVR.
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I don't see how Joy Kat can say Collins looked good.
Seriously, by mid-second QTR, I was ready to pull VY and put in Collins, but when Collins did get in there, he looked just as bad. He was EVERY INCH as bad as VY and he wasn’t even getting as much pressure from the Raiders’ D-Line.
Hawkins is the best receiver on the team. Time to pull Brandon “I can’t catch and land with two feet in bounds when it counts to save my life” Jones and send him back to the bench. And there was a long pass in the first QTR where McCarreins pulled up to look for theball and consequently couldn’t get out to make the catch. Did Gage even have a catch? And where the Hell was Alge Crumpler?
Vince obviously doesn’t trust his receivers, and that’s making him late on his throws. Plus, he was often either holding the ball too long or his receivers were missing their hot reads on the blitz, leaving him to back-pedal from pressure and throw off one foot. TERRIBLE! That’s an opportunity missed!
I think our O-Line was missing Dave Stewart big-time.
Argh.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on Aug 16, 2008 5:55 AM CDT 0 recs
Gage had one pretty nice catch
but that is all. I have no idea why Crumpler didn’t get any looks.
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by Jimmy on
Aug 16, 2008 7:44 AM CDT
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Collins did not look good
I was happy to know that he completed a TD to Hawkins, other than that he did not play well. I was disappointed in that. Honestly I would say that Ingle Martin played the best of any QB and should seriously be considered as the go to guy if continues to perform as he has in preseason. It is really hard to judge anything other than the first team against the first team. The first team was a real let down. I just honestly don’t think VY will ever pan out and am a huge fan of any other QB who shows talent that can take his place. That is my real honest feeling about the QB situation. I don’t have the patience to wait for someone to be groomed or brought into the system slowly. I want results right away. If that is Collins- great, if it is Ingle Martin that is fine. IF the Titans bring in someone else with a great arm and good decision making I will be in favor of that even. That is how little confidence I have in VY. I know Young appears to be giving it his best effort this season, but is it enough?
by Joy Kat on
Aug 16, 2008 8:34 AM CDT
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I think you're right bro...
Vince just doesn’t seem to have it, and the sooner we all accept it the better off we’ll be. It seems taboo amongst Titan fans to scrutinize VY in any way and blame all of our problems on the recievers. That’s a bad attitude to have – this was a good draft year for QB’s in the NFL. We could have taken Colt Brennan in the 6th round, but everyone would have been up in arms. Vince was a great college quarter back, but that doesn’t always translate into NFL success. He doensn’t seem to make good decisions (remember the wonderlick test?) and his mechanics are deeply flawed….
That being said, he is the best we’ve got right now. Kerry “Cocktail” Collins will always be a bum, and Ingle Martin is unproven. We need to woo a free agent out of retirement (Plumber or Bledsoe) or start looking to the draft….
by vancouverTITAN on
Aug 16, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Way too premature
Let this season play out. I’m not going to dig back into the statistics because I’ve had this argument way too many times. But, go back and look at the first two seasons of “legendary” quarterbacks. Sometimes it takes time.
You need to understand that this isn’t backyard football. Both the receivers and the quarterback are learning a completely new system. If you’re going to start passing judgements, at least let them get acclimated to Heimerdinger’s offense.
by SuperHorn on
Aug 16, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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Dude
Colt Brennan is overrated at best. The fun and gun offense never translates in the NFL, and Hawaii was vastly overrated last season. When they finally played a tough team in Georgia he was decimated.
by psuphiman80 on
Aug 16, 2008 6:22 PM CDT
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yea, but
he’s looking good for the skins in the preseason, and he throws an accurate ball. sometime’s those late round sleepers pan out at the qb position (tom brady…) i’m not saying give up on vince just yet, but this is the make or break year. don’t get me wrong, i hope he pans out, but since his rookie year he hasn’t shown me anything other than his athletic ability. we can beat most teams with our running attack (especially now with CJ) and coach fisher’s D. all we need in consistant play from the qb position….
by vancouverTITAN on
Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM CDT
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Doubt it
The two played vastly different styles of football in college against much different competition. I’ll eat the crow if I’m wrong but I’m really not that worried about it.
by psuphiman80 on
Aug 18, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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My Bad
Curse this internet sarcasm I can’t grasp.
by psuphiman80 on
Aug 18, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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Receivers-
I have been one to post things in defense of our receivers….even i’m start
ing to lose faith in them!! With that being said VY would of been horrible throwing to hall of fame receivers last night. Most of those passes weren’t even close. I’m concerned, but not worried. Our offense is so vanilla right now, there will be a lot more when the season begins. I’m sure Heimerdinger has several plays that really showcase his strengths.
By the way, my nickname for Chris Johnson: Maurice Jones-Johnson!
I love watching him, wow! Great pick!
By the way (again) Jimmy: James Hardy update…no catches….but he is going to be a star!
by gotitans27 on Aug 16, 2008 7:41 AM CDT 0 recs
VY
VY is going to be fine. As he has actually said himself, he hasn’t been able to get into a rhythm in either of these preseason games, and it’s been a source of frustration for everyone, but obviously if he were to play an entire game that would be different.
What I’m much more concerned about is the first string D-line not getting much pressure on the quarterback. That allowed a garbage offense to actually move the ball fairly well against us in the passing game. We better figure that out first.
Along those lines, Jevon Kearse looks like he will be a VERY marginal player this year.
by TitansFisher7 on Aug 16, 2008 8:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Oakland is NOT a garbage offense.
They have a terrific running attack and decent receivers, and they have the strongest-armed QB in the League. Granted, Russel isn’t a star yet, but there is absolutely no reason to think that he can’t or won’t be one.
The Raiders were bad last year because their run defense sucked. Indeed, had the Titans kept pounding the rock, they’d have had a lot more success offensively. But clearly that wasn’t the plan, and that’s fine, but we do need to see some success from the first team offense.
Besides, when your D can hold the opponent to three consecutive 3-and-outs, there’s really no excuse for not making some plays.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on
Aug 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Just a note...
…as bad as the passing game was, the running game was still quite good. 26 attempts for 146 yards. Not bad at all when the focus was clearly on the aerial attack.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on
Aug 16, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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Few things I observed from last night...
1. We drafted well this year. CJ is a future star. Hawkins is a playmaker. Jones will be a solid lineman. Keglar is good at ST.
2. VY and our receivers needs to practice more and get insync. If they don’t perform well next preseason game, i’m already predicting our passing game wouldn’t be better than last year.
3. Our D is atleast as good as last year. They will be better in the next few games barring injuries.
4. Biren Ealy and Lavelle Hawkins deserves to play this year. Cut Paul Williams.
5. VY tried to be a pocket passer last night, I hope that is not the plan for the whole year. He is so much better when he is also a running threat.
6. The Thick and the Quick combo will be a success. I am predicting atleast a 15 TD year for the Thick.
7. Michael Phelps won the gold by a hair fair and square. I’ve seen the replay a couple of times.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Aug 16, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Phelps did win....
But only by the slightest of margins. All of my buddies here in canada think it was fixed, but on second look in slo-mo, it looks like phelps won by a hair.
The titans are going to lead the NFL in rushing with the THUNDER AND LIGHTNING baby!
by vancouverTITAN on
Aug 16, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Thick and Quick.... I like it. Is that your own?
That fits White and Jones exactly.
by Joy Kat on
Aug 16, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Thick and Quick.
The new name. Anyone see LenDale’s gut last night?? Woah.
by titanbt53 on Aug 16, 2008 11:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Don't break out the pitch forks and torches just yet...
I think we are all forgetting a few things about the passing game last night:
1. Fischer told everyone the plan was to pass. It was obvious each time we were going to pass, so Oakland was aware of what was coming.
2. Mixing in our incredible running game will free up the pass much more. Both play action and shotgun spread.
3. Chris Johnson has still not been added to the passing game.
I agree that the receivers looked pretty terrible with the exception of L. Hawkins, who had a solid performance.
I also agree w/ Pinoy Titan’s comment that we drafted incredibly well this year. The first 5 picks yielded one future star, one or two potential stars and a few solid role players.
Keep the faith everyone.
by Stanford Titan on Aug 16, 2008 11:32 AM CDT 0 recs
Hawkins
wasn’t the only receiver that made a great play last night. Biron Ealy also had those two clutch catches in front of defenders on the Ingle drive.
pretty much agree with the rest of Jimmy’s evaluation, though.
by numbertenox on Aug 16, 2008 1:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Beginning of the end, part 2
I’ll wait until regular season, my original observation last week still looks right. Jimmy can mock me all he wants, but it doesn’t change what’s happening on the field.
by JimR on Aug 16, 2008 3:38 PM CDT 0 recs
I think we're all of the opinion that if Vince doesn't produce this year, it'll be time...
… to start thinking about what come next. But it’s still pre-season, and hope springs eternal. Personally, I still WANT to believe. But last night was horrid, and it shook my faith.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on
Aug 16, 2008 4:03 PM CDT
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Yup.
Two different offensive coordinators will be enough if VY struggles all year again. I sure hope that doesn’t happen. Finding a franchise QB is so hard. Unless you get lucky and find a gem in the rough, you’re looking at having to rack up a horrible season with perfect timing so that it gives you a high draft pick on a good QB year. Not an easy thing to do, even if you set about it purposefully.
I’m about 50/50 on VY right now. There was a time when I was pretty sure he was going to be a franchise QB for us for many years, now I’m just not sure.
by numbertenox on
Aug 16, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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admitted incredibly pro VY bias
but i think he gets at least four years no matter what. i’m 100% confident in vince this year but even if he digresses from last year (hard to believe possible), i think you have to give a pick/talent of that quality at least four years before you think about replacing him. and don’t forget he was a junior qb.
by longtitan on
Aug 17, 2008 3:53 AM CDT
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If Vince doesn't produce this year
he will still be the starting quarterback and future of the franchise. With that said, he will produce this year and will have a good season. Vince is our guy, our team is solid, and we cannot let one preseason game (one half actually) convince us otherwise. Lavelle Hawkins had one big catch against second stringers, Biren Ealy had two big catches against third stringers. Ingle Martin marched the team down the field against complete scrubs. Saying Collins or Martin should be starting is a joke.
You can’t learn too much from a preseason game, good or bad. Last week’s success made us believe we were going to win the superbowl and this week’s lack of success made us believe we’re going 0-16. Vince needs to work on his timing with his receivers but that’s about all we really learned. That and our running game will still be as successful as ever.
Joy Kat, I TRULY hope that your comment about Ingle Martin being considered as our go to guy was a joke. Honestly.
by nvemvp23 on Aug 16, 2008 6:11 PM CDT 0 recs
Not a joke at all. Martin looked sharp in both games he played
Ingle Martin was impressive in his first two games. I do realize it is against 2nd and 3rd teams. He showed poise and confidence and most of all – accuracy. You can bet he does not get the reps that Young, or even Collins gets That is what was so good about how he led the Titans into scoring territory with little time left.
by Joy Kat on
Aug 17, 2008 3:19 PM CDT
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Try 4th and 5th teamers
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by Jimmy on
Aug 17, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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I just posted video highlights of the Raiders game
It’s in the FanShots section. Enjoy.
by danzig on Aug 16, 2008 7:21 PM CDT 0 recs
I don't know if you guys have read Coach Fisher's comments on the game...
…but having seen them now, I can see why he’s not as upset as we fans are. First off, we already knew that the Raiders have one of the better secondaries in the League. So then, that explains why he put his receivers one-on-one with that secondary to see if they could beat those Oakland CBs without scheme help. Could they just BEAT them, man-to-man?
Answer: No. Not yet, at least.
Apparently the main issue was that the WRs weren’t getting off bump-and-run coverage. With the timing off, nobody was making a play—QB or WRs.
One can imagine that there are any number of ways to counter that kind of bump-and-run coverage with scheme—screen pass to Chris Johnson would seem to be one—but that wasn’t what the team was trying to do. Still, you’d like to see VY and his guys play better, but I, at least, feel better for understanding a bit of why these guys struggled so much.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on Aug 17, 2008 6:46 AM CDT 0 recs
So, do you think another scheme will be more successful?
I think passing to CJ is already written into the game plan for the rest of the year. He is a tremendous weapon and needs to have the ball in his hands. Some of the problem on Friday night was receivers just not catching the ball. Schillings for the Raiders made a couple of spectacular grabs. Ealy should really have made a couple of more catches than what he did. Sure they were a little bit tough to catch, but not any tougher than what the Oakland receiver did.
Pre-season is fun to watch but I really wish pre-season was over and we could get right into the games that count. Football is thrilling because it is so unpredictable.
by Joy Kat on
Aug 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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Going away from the run when it's working is no way to win games.
Beyond that, I don’t know what to tell you. i hope scheme will help, but only time will tell.
DannoE
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Go Titans!
by DannoE on
Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Passing to CJ
Problem: even CJ had the drops on Friday.
by hartley on
Aug 18, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Jay Cutler was one that should have NOT gotten away
Jay will have success wherever he is at.
by Joy Kat on
Aug 17, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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Definition of Irony
Denver became interested in Jay Cutler after Mike Shanahan was given a very favorable impression of him by…Jeff Fisher.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on
Aug 17, 2008 10:48 PM CDT
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Has Cutler made the playoffs?
Ya’ll need to stop this shit. That ship has sailed. We did not draft Cutler. We did not draft Leinert. We did not draft Randy Moss or Tom Brady. If you want to start a thread off to the side of Titans that “could have been” then go for it—you won’t find me in there. This is just ignorant. Talk about how bad VY was all you want, but leave freakin’ Cutler out of it. And Leinart and MF’n Colt “Tom Brady” Brennan. Ignorant.
Kind of like dentureboy’s “Wonderlick” score.
by gramsey712 on
Aug 18, 2008 3:19 PM CDT
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Raider Fan Is In The House
Hey guys, great game. I wish we hadn’t made all the mistakes we made against you guys. You guys pulled off a pretty nice win over a game I thought we had put in the books. I have to admit it, that one receiver you guys have that scored a touchdown in the second half is pretty darn good.
Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)
by Rayder K on Aug 17, 2008 1:53 PM CDT 0 recs
We hope so
Thanks for stopping by. The Raiders should be much improved this year, no doubt.
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