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Discussing Areas of Strength/Weakness for Titans

Tiny by zackmann on

I have no idea how this Diary (fanposts, whatever they are called now) will come out.

It is essentially a larger discussion of something I said in the preseason game thread.....and it isn't all inclusive....give me examples in the comments of what I missed or what you think I'm wrong about....

Areas/Players We are Strong In

--Haynesworth/KVB combo...right now I see them as our anchor on defense and I don't anticipate a single offensive line in the NFL that can neutralize them....we should all pray every night they stay healthy all season....our season rides on their health...

--Finnegan at CB....Finnegan is on pace (IMO) to be the best CB in Titans (hell, maybe Oiler) history.  He will not get thrown at very often this season.

--Griffin at S...Griff had an up and down rookie year, but I see him being a top defensive player this year..

--Bullock/Thornton....solid...nuff said...

--Running Game....even without the last preseason game, this was a known...LenDale is going to be consistent pounding the rock....and CJ just made it twice as good....

--OLine....solid, top to bottom....I was worried about the Guard position, but they seem to be fine....we couldn't ask for better line play, IMO....

--Fuller at Nickel Back....wow, he has turned into a solid nickel back...so good, that we need to lock him up long term right now while we have the cap space and no one can come in and offer him a starting CB role...

--Defensive Attitude....the number one thing that defines the Titans right now is a hard hitting, aggressive, mean as hell, defense.......the practice against the Rams was the perfect example of our defense....we get into fights....we hit hard...we are pissed off at the world....I was ready to kill Mr. Red Hat 2 years ago, but now he is looking golden.....

Major Injury Concerns

--Harper....can he stay on the field?  I think this concussion business is bad news....More on what happens when he doesn't below.

--Hope.....is he going to be the Hope of old, or will he play it safer and be just average?  I get the feeling he is one hit from being out all season....more on his backup in a bit.

--Haynesworth.....Gotta get those hammy's in shape, our season rides on them...

--LenDale.....he played all last season hurt, so we probably shouldn't be worried, but with his grind it out running style and out of shape body, there is a 0% chance he is healthy by Week 10.

--Mawea....he is just too old...

--Bironas/Hinrich....I just don't have a good feeling about them, but their backups we can sign are adequate, so whatever....

Areas From Last Year We Need to Improve, Which I Think Will Improve

--Explosiveness in the Running game....I love LenDale, but we lacked any explosion last year......CJ is here to save us from 25 straight 3-yard rushes.....thank goodness....what a draft pick....i'm in love....

--Play calling........last year Norm Chow almost single handedly killed our offense.....even if Dinger sucks, it will be better than Chow....

Areas From Last Year We Need to Improve, Which I Don't Think (or am Not Sure) We Will Improve

--Redzone offense......we have Crumpler, so it has to improve some, but I am just skeptical....I don't know what it is.....Is it Vince...is it LenDale....is it the play calling....is the fact that the field is shortened and our offense suffers for it....Redzone offense is the #1 priority right now, IMO....

--Kickoff return game.......I made no secrets about how bad we were last year at the return game....it absoluately killed our offense starting inside teh 20 all the time.....killed it....can Carr improve it?  I don't know, but I hope he can....if not, he should get cut and we go find someone who can...maybe just use CJ....

--Backup CB and S....if Reynadlo "throw it may way if you want a 1st Down" HIll has to play and/or Calvin "I have no idea how to take the right angle" Lowry have to start, our secondary is complete toast......our defense only works when everyone is solid...one weak link kills us...whether that is when AH is hurt, or when the MLB can't stuff the run....or when one CB is bad.....our defense is significantly worse when just one position is weak....right now Hill and Lowry are the two weak links....

--Along that same thought, can our defense survive without AH?  This is the million dollar question b/c he will not be playing all 16 games....we have to be able to find a way to stuff the run without him.....our season rides on it....

--WR's.....the two big things our WR's suck at is gaining separation one-on-one and also simply catching the ball......I have no confidence either aspect of their play will improve.....In Week 10, I guarantee we are still complaining about our WR's....

Vince Young

You might have noticed I did not mention Vince Young one time above.

That was on purpose.....First off, I am a Vince-apalogist...he can do no wrong in my eyes....hahahaha

Being more serious, here is my reason for not mentioning him....

As long as he is being asked (by either the fans, media, or coaching staff) to be a Montana/Brady/Manning type of pocket passer, he will fail in their eyes....

We drafted Vince to be a playmaker, unique, running, generational-QB.  We drafted Vince to do stuff no other QB has done before or can currently do.  We drafted Vince because he is hard to tackle in the open field.  We drafted Vince because he puts pressure on the defense with his ability to get a 1st down with his legs at any time.  We drafted Vince because he is a different animal when the bright lights and pressure are the brightest and he is backed into a corner. 

The media doesn't like how he gets defensive when questioned about his shortcomings.

The fans don't like his passing game.

I think they are both crazy.

His defensiveness is what makes him put teams on his shoulders and mount comebacks that seem impossible.

His inconsistent passing game is why he isn't a pocket passer.

Until we get an offensive coordinator that lets Vince loose, he will be questioned by the media/fans. 

Until we get an offensive coordinator that gets Vince on the edge (by design) as much as possible, he will not live up to his hype. 

Until we get Vince WR's who can beat a CB one-on-one (we currently have none), then teaching Vince to identify man-to-man coverage is useless exercise.

I'm not worried about Vince.  I'm worried about our fans going crazy when he doesn't throw for 75% and no INT's. I'm worried about the shelf life of each offensive coordinator who refuses to create an offense around Vince's unique talents instead of forcing Vince into their offensive system. I'm worried about not addressing the WR positions adequately and selling Vince's development of reading the coverage short.

Ok, I've written enough.....I've probably left off some stuff I wanted to say.....

 

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"Until we get Vince WR's who can beat a CB one-on-one (we currently have none)"

Amen.

The Rams looked like they had all-pros playing every defensive back position Saturday.

by gramsey712 on Aug 11, 2008 8:50 AM CDT   0 recs

this is going to be a huge concern this year

reading the TC reports, Dinger is teaching Vince to find the man-on-man coverage and throw it there….

if our WR’s can’t beat anyone one-on-one, we are screwed…...

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I respectfully disagree, with that one. After all the Titans won big Saturday night.

Plus, if you miss a guy in the endzone, that is the QB, not the receiver.

To focus on the positives, Chris Johnson looks already like he could (maybe) be a contender for Rookie of the year. He will be fantastic ! He was a brilliant first round pick. No doubts about him.

by Joy Kat on Aug 11, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The endzone play

was a throw away. Go back and watch it. Alge wasn’t open.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but

vince threw the ball…crumpler didn’t catch it….therefore kerry collins is better than vince young…

simply logic….

lol

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2008 11:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you disagree?

you disagree with the thesis that we don’t have any WR’s who can (consistently) beat man-to-man coverage?

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What??

Now there is the old Joy Kat.

The win Saturday night had nothing to do with the ineptness of our receivers.

And if you are gonna respectfully disagree, give us some backup. Who do you like? Biren Ealy? Paul “offensive pass interference” Williams? Our boy 12 Gage even quit running on a deep ball.

And Jimmy is right, neither Peyton nor Michigan Brady could have gotten that ball to Crumpler in the endzone.

by gramsey712 on Aug 12, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"As long as he is being asked (by either the fans, media, or coaching staff) to be a Montana/Brady/Manning type of pocket passer, he will fail in their eyes...."

Just like with McNair/O’donnell, we’re going to hear people whine all year that we’d be better with the statuesque, old white guy who CAN’T THROW A TD PASS (1 TD in 10 games since he got here).

When VY was drafted someone on a scouting page made the best point about his potential: he’ll never put up Manning numbers/consistency, but he could dominate a game on the same level if he matures into his skill set…

by August West on Aug 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT   0 recs

My 2 cents

—Kickoff return game: I think Carr did a pretty good job. He didn’t take anything to the house, but I believe he got to the 40 on one return and we weren’t buried at the 20 like we were all last year. I am optimistic.

—Vince & the 1st team offense: It was very dicouraging to watch us march all the way down the field and then once again go scoreless in the redzone. That must improve.

Other than that I thought Vince played reasonably well. He definitly outplayed Bulger. He threw 6 passes, which is not enough time to get into a rhythm, but also broke off a 35 yrd run. That is the Vince we need to see more of and it’s why we drafted him. I am optimistic based on that alone.

—Defense: Awesome. The only thing that bothered me was, of course, Reynaldo Hill. I would’ve liked to see King come in for Harper to see what he can do. We all know what Rey can do; time to give someone else a chance.

I think that it’s a mistake to try to glean too much from the 1st preseason game (or any preseason game for that matter), but since I am starved for football I think we will learn more from the next game. We practiced against the Rams all week, so were a bit adjusted to them and they were adjusted to us. The next game will give us a better feel.

by theologic on Aug 11, 2008 9:59 AM CDT   0 recs

VY
As long as he is being asked (by either the fans, media, or coaching staff) to be a Montana/Brady/Manning type of pocket passer, he will fail in their eyes….


We drafted Vince to be a playmaker, unique, running, generational-QB. We drafted Vince to do stuff no other QB has done before or can currently do. We drafted Vince because he is hard to tackle in the open field. We drafted Vince because he puts pressure on the defense with his ability to get a 1st down with his legs at any time. We drafted Vince because he is a different animal when the bright lights and pressure are the brightest and he is backed into a corner.

If Vince Young does not develop the ability to throw the ball accurately, and with velocity, from the pocket on a consistent basis, your team will never win a thing. This is the NFL, not friggin’ college football. If you think Vince can just run around and make plays, I will merely laugh and enjoy Bob Sanders kicking Vince’s ass again to the tune of 3 sacks and multiple tackles.


QBs in the modern NFL must make the 15 yard, frozen rope throws from the pocket. If they can’t, they are garbage. “Letting Vince lose” will invite players like Sanders, Freeney, Mario, Ryans, and others to destroy him. Players on defense are faster than Vince. They hit harder. And there’s only so much of it a person can take before the body breaks down. Want to know why Manning and Brady are so great? They never get hit (and thus never get hurt) because they move well in the pocket and throw the ball accurately FROM THE POCKET. Vince, however, was hurt much of last year because he got killed early in the season by Bob Sanders. I saw it. You saw it. Vince felt it… all year long. Taking unnecessary shot from DeMeco Ryans and others didn’t help. If you let him just run around and do his thing, then get used to seeing a lot of Kerry Collins, who right now is a better QB than Vince is.

I’m not saying this to troll or make fun of the Titans. I’m just telling you how it is. I think Vince has the talent to throw from the pocket. It just takes hard work and dedication, something Vince lacks (it’s well documented). If he ever develops those traits, Vince will indeed be in the Manning or Brady class. He’s got the talent. If he doesn’t, he’s a draft bust.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT   0 recs

I'll only take issue with one thing here:

VY has plenty of arm strength. He can definitely throw 15 yards on a rope. Accuracy is an issue, as is having receivers be in the right place to catch the ball, but saying he doesn’t throw with velocity is not correct.

DannoE

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Go Titans!

by DannoE on Aug 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

Arm strength has never been one of VY’s weakpoints…

by SuperHorn on Aug 11, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"He’s got the talent. If he doesn’t, he’s a draft bust."

See, that makes sense, unfortunately it gets lost in your douchey negativism and small minded view of how one wins games/championships in the NFL.

Also, your assertion that VY doesn’t work hard is just ignorant. He’s done everything and more asked of him by Fisher and ‘Dinger, and works with the entire WR core in the off-season on his own time and his own dime.

by August West on Aug 11, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Say hello to my little friend....

We’ve got a little something for your beloved Bob Sanders that will keep him more honest when he plays the Titans. This year, you’ll see something in the slot that will stretch the field and make him not get pressure on VY. Chris Johnson is going to get split out to the slot position, and when he gets a step, you’ll see VY’s arm strength. This should keep Bob out of the box, and give VY ample time to do something with the rock.

by TrenchantTitan on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love Chris Johnson

Many of us at Stampede Blue were hoping he’d fall to the Colts in Round 2. The Titans reached for CJ, but he’s still a good player. I think he adds a wonderful dimension to your offense.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Define reach

Is it a reach if he is the best player on your board and the biggest playmaker available when you have an offense with virtually no playmakers?

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Aug 12, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's a reach when some a well prepared GM/coach/staff disagrees

with the far away perceptions of a draftnik clown who has never even spoken to a GM or interviewed a player at the combine.

If you get a baller, there’s no such thing as a reach, IMO… every draft report I read said Roos was a huge reach with Kalif Barnes on the board, but who would you want now?

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

I speak to coaches and players all the time.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jimmy?

Even you suggested he was a reach on draft day? Neither this post nor this one has you suggesting the Titans maximized the value of that pick. Heck, this is what you wrote:

Are you kidding me? We just drafted Chris Henry again.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll give you that on draft day even I was anaphylactic shock over the pick

but sitting here today it doesn’t look like much of a reach, especially with no known concrete deal that would have netted us more.

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stop

This accountability is insane! This is the internet. You can’t go around admitting you’re wrong. Next you’ll start using facts! Inconceivable!

by psuphiman80 on Aug 13, 2008 12:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, you got called on it.

I vividly remember you had to “recover and calm down” from the draft choice. I don’t know why you thought he was such a poor choice being the fastest guy at the combine and all. Sounds like a winner to me, especially if you line him up at wide receiver occasionally.

by Joy Kat on Aug 13, 2008 6:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because Chris Henry

was the fastest guy at the combine the year before. How is that working out?

Joy Kat, thank you for letting me know I got “called on” it. The thing about being “called on” something is that it really isn’t that big of a deal if you admit you were wrong like I did. You were a little late to the party to pile on there.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Aug 13, 2008 8:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I distinctly remember...

One play Bob Sanders was spying him last year and Vince virtually stepped over him like he wasn’t there. Just saying…

Perhaps Titan fans will invite Bob Sanders to continue to “kill” Vince (he never really did), because Mr. Sanders seems to have the propensity of knocking himself more so than his opponents. If the 2007 season was any indication, the Colts defense suffers just a little when Sanders isn’t out there. I would say Vince’s injury was more of the nagging type than anything. It’s not like he was flat out destroyed by a concussion. It was a thigh injury, which can be notoriously tricky to heal.

VY’s work ethic is fine. Does he have the ability to throw consistently from the pocket? I think so, as you said. Is he a traditional QB? No, he’s not. While I would disagree with zackmann that Vince will never become a good pocket passer, it’s no secret that Vince has a unique skill set and any responsible offensive coordinator should try to utilize those gifts in his offense. That’s not a controversial statement at all.

If you have not noticed, Vince is 2-2 against the Colts, with those two losses being very close ones. I’m not even a Titans fan, but I’m a Longhorn who follows Vince, and I do watch virtually all his games. Vince is a smooth runner who knows how to avoid taking the brunt of hits, and I really can’t remember the Colts defense really “killing” Vince like you said.

“If you let him just run around and do his thing, then get used to seeing a lot of Kerry Collins, who right now is a better QB than Vince is.”

But what standard? Kerry Collins started the 06 season abysmally… Vince helped the Titans reel off six straight and almost make the playoffs. Collins hasn’t throw too many TD’s either, and he’s a statue in the pocket. Are you really saying you’d rather face Collins than Vince, who, as I mentioned before, is 2-2 against the Colts and arguably another win away last year if his receiver catches that first down pass? Come now. It’s popular for people to say Collins is a better quarterback because he happens to be more traditional, but the Titans’ successes the past two years with Vince at the helm, successes that went beyond their expectations both years, speak for themselves.

by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 11, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I distinctly remember

Bob getting 2.5 sacks, 11 tackles, and 3 QB pressures that day. He also won Defensive Player of the Week for that game, and eventually won DPOY. Oh, and the Colts won in your house.

Just saying…

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In my house?

Excuse me for not clarifying, but I’m not a Titans fan. I’m a Horns fans who follows Texas players in the NFL.

I never said Bob Sanders isn’t a great player. He is, and I credit him for single-handily stabilizing the defense when he returned in ‘06 to help the Colts win the Super Bowl (as I alluded to above). However, you seem to be under this delusion that Vince should be ultra-afraid of Sanders when, while Sanders will get his because he’s a great player, Vince is more than capable of breaking the tackle of a defensive back. Furthermore, Colts fans should be careful about bragging about how much of an enforcer Sanders is. I enjoy watching him play, but he knocks himself out as much as he knocks others out. And It’s not like Sanders is busting through the line; he’s coming off of blitzes, and I think most can agree that Vince needs to improve his pre-snap reads. Thus, it’s not so much because Vince is trying to run so much that he’s getting “killed” (which he isn’t) as it is that he needs to improve his reads. And as I mentioned, it’s not like he was blown up like that famous Joe Montana play. Those type of leg injuries just tend to linger.

And you never answered my question: Would you prefer to see Collins or Vince? You need to back up your statement that Collins is a better QB, which you have failed to do. Frankly, you claim not to troll, but by failing to address points and pulling useless information out, it’s hard not to see you as one. Unfortunate, because I tend to think Indy fans, following the likes of Manning and Dungy, are among the more classy.

by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 13, 2008 2:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And listen

I already feel bad about the troll comment, because I’m a guy who likes to see differing opinions. But I’m just saying, coming into another team’s blog and sounding all smarter-than-thou, especially if you are one of the main contributers of another SB Nation blog (a rival one at that), isn’t going to foster good discussion. If you want to call Vince lazy, for instance, then you better present good evidence for that (especially if you claim it’s “well-documented”). If you want to say Collins is a better quarterback, then you have to present good evidence. Otherwise, how can you not sound like anything but what you said you didn’t want to sound like?

by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 13, 2008 3:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

figures the colt blogger would show up to troll

he may have forgot about 2 seasons ago when vince picked up something like 9 1st downs with his legs….

if the ability to run is useless in the nfl and a pocket passing qb is the only type of qb that can succeed we would have drafted cutler or lienart….

the act of drafting vince, IMO, forces to Fisher to modify the offense to fit his strengths…improvising and running are part of his strengths….

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2008 11:54 AM CDT   0 recs

"then get used to seeing a lot of Kerry Collins, who right now is a better QB than Vince is."

6 INTs and 1 TD in the 10 games (including 5 starts) since he got here… since that’s the one stat people kill VY on I’d say there’s not much difference, and he can’t run it like VY does.

Any other dumbass things you need me to correct you on while we’re all here?

by August West on Aug 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT   0 recs

Rip him a new one August

Big Blue Shoe is the ultimate douchebag troll.

I can’t wait for us to beat up on Peyton, running around popping his nasty infected bursa sacs in October on MNF for the whole country to see.

Also can’t wait for us to crush that little midget Bob Sanders with some dirty cut blocks and give him a taste of his own medicine.

Ah – Can’t wait for football.

by BeansCarter on Aug 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aww

Its truly funny how pathetic you sound. Guess getting your asses handed to you by the Colts causes people like you to start talking out of your ass.

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah?

When was the last time the Colts handed our asses to us?

Since Vince Young has become our Quarterback, we have split our series and outscored you by 9 points.

Oct 08 – 2006 TEN 13 IND 14<br />Dec 10 - 2006 TEN 26 HOU 20
Sep 16 – 2007 IND 22 TEN 20<br />Dec 30 - 2007 TEN 16 IND 10

Guess getting your asses handed to you by the Colts causes people like you to start talking out of your ass.

Maybe you should do your homework next time, Einstein, and while you’re at it perhaps you could shove a huge wad of STFU up your ass.

by BeansCarter on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe you should

shove that wad up yours. Hoping that Manning pops his bursa sac is truly pathetic on your part

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2008 11:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about this

Without Kerry Collins, your team would not have made the playoffs last year.

Stat that one, pal.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You explain that one

Collins started and won 1 game against the Texans. VY is 3-0 against the Texans.

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by Jimmy on Aug 12, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Without VY, Kerry would have never had the chance...

and if you’re talking about that last game, VY went 14-18, 157yds; while Kerry went 10-13, 106 and neither had a TD or INT.

Do you ever look at a stat sheet before you speak?

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vince

Was terrible in the last game against the Colts, throwing against second and third teamers and minus an injured Dwight Freeney. Spin all you want. Them’s the facts.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And stats

Don’t tell the whole story. Try watching the games next time.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I watched the game

and I saw a performance that looked worse than it was. How the hell is ANY QB ‘terrible’ with a 103 QB rating!?

It’s not a beauty pageant, it’s a football game.

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No you didn't

The Colts had the lead and we going to win the game with their back-ups because Vince. Young. Can’t Throw. The. Ball. Accurately.

Don’t try the revisionist history crap on me. We blogged all about it after the game. The best thing that happened to the Titans in 2007 was Indy injuring Vince in that game. Thus, allowing Kerry Collins to come in and save your season.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You haven't shown anything but the biased opinions of a rival team.

Blog it out all you like, but there’s almost no evidence to back up what is patently an opinion. Me countering your middle school message board smack talk isn’t revisionist history, it’s bringing a little clarity to the situation.

VY wasn’t lights out, but HE COMPLETED 70+ PECENT OF HIS PASSES and had to deal with 2 turnovers by RBs.

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sometimes I feel like Joe Gibbs never existed. Ditto fro Mike Ditka.

And somewhere, ah somewhere, John Riggins is crying.

DannoE

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Go Titans!

by DannoE on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT   0 recs

That was entertaining

This thread made my day. A thing of beauty.

by numbertenox on Aug 11, 2008 5:49 PM CDT   0 recs

thanks

to jimmy for promoting this from the side….

and thanks to those for replying…

and thanks to the colt blogger for showing up and reminding me that they currently have a WR who shot someone and is not getting in trouble for it…..

Marvin Harrison = Pacman Jones

by zackmann on Aug 11, 2008 11:43 PM CDT   0 recs

Gotta love it

When someone likes to make up stuff and pass it off as facts.

Small side note (since zackmann doesn’t know what he’s talking about): Neither Marvin Harrison or Pacman Jones have shot anyone. What we do know for a fact is Vince Young likes to party naked in bars with lots of sweaty men.

Hope that clarifies things. ;)

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 12, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe Jimmy should troll for hits by posting dumbass columns about other teams' players

like this one.

I really enjoy how you have set up a nice out for when VY starts fulfilling his potential: see! He’s more accurate now so I was STILL right eventhough I spent 2+ years saying he’s lazy, possibly gay and a pouter who would never amount to anything!!! Ain’t I awesome!!!

You’re a good writer BBS, but your views on VY are Merril Hoge-level illogical/knee jerk haterism.

VY. wins. games. He did it with a crap defense his rookie year, and he won with a great defense is injury-addled 2nd year. He works hard and he’s a leader of this franchise. Most of us hardcore Titans fans see it, it’s too bad casual fans, lazy national guys and out of market folks don’t.

That’s the truth.

by August West on Aug 12, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How ironic?! Big BS is the King of...

Making stuff up and passing it off as fact. See this post where video is used to expose Big BS for consistently misrepresenting the facts (to put it mildly).

by NE Pumpkineaters on Aug 13, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahahahahahahahaha

Marvin Harrison = Pacman Jones?

you are just as pathetic as Beans Crater

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um...

That’s Beans Carter, not “Crater”

DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE!!!

by BeansCarter on Aug 12, 2008 8:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really.
and thanks to the colt blogger for showing up and reminding me that they currently have a WR who shot someone and is not getting in trouble for it….

So…I gotta know. Where did you see the facts for this one? You were there, weren’t you? C’mon, you can tell US!

Good debate until an unfounded cheap shot was thrown in.

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Aug 12, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

harrison = pacman

harrison’s gun, which was in his possession, was used in a shooting that left someone hurt…..

“Six of the bullet casings found after an April 29 shooting near Marvin Harrison’s car wash and garage came from a gun that belongs to the Colts wide receiver, Philadelphia police sources told ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio.

Police then went to the Philadelphia car wash owned by Harrison to question him about the gun. Harrison admitted owning such a weapon but claimed it never left his suburban Philadelphia home.

However, WIP’s source said the gun was discovered in a bucket at the car wash, and tests showed that it had fired seven bullets that matched those found at the scene.”

he lied about the gun….it was found at his car wash….the bullets matched the shooting…..

harrison = pacman

and guess what….

IN MY OWN POST I CAN SAY WHAT I WANT WITHOUT IT BEING A CHEAP SHOT…..I didn’t go into a post made by someone else, or go to a different blog to talk trash, this was my post….if you want, I’ll edit the original post to say that Harrison = Pacman so that my comment is officially on topic….

by zackmann on Aug 12, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Has anything happened yet

Has Harrison been arrested, even a suspect? Get your facts straight. Several reports and quoted from the police even say he is not a suspect.

Sorry Bud you lose. I dont care if you say Harrison=Pacman Because in the end your opinion doesnt outweigh fact

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've never heard before

that trash talk needed to be facts….

but it really doesn’t matter when Harrison gets arrested for his pacman-like crime, b/c his knee is shot…...i’d be surprised if he plays more than 8 games this year….heck he might retire…

and now Peyton manning has/had the same knee injury and infection on top of that….

and bob sander and freeney are hurt….

your PUP list is going to be filled with all-pros and hall of famers…..

don’t worry, you can come over and participate in our Playoff Game Threads after your season is done….

by zackmann on Aug 12, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Marv isnt a suspect

that means he never committed a crime hence comparing him to pacman is all for not.

We shall see once the season starts. I think all this “minor” injury news is just a bunch of wishful thinking

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2008 11:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And we're going on a joint cruise with OJ to find the REAL killers!

DannoE

Go read FRIDAY MAD SCIENCE at www.paperbackreader.com
Go Titans!

by DannoE on Aug 13, 2008 7:12