One thing is obvious....
Reinfeldt and Fisher do not go to this web site when considering the draft.
Another thing that is obvious....
Reinfeldt and Fisher have forgotten more about this franchise than we will ever know. In other words, they know what we need more than anyone else.
Here is what I think:
I think they saw the WR's everyday in practice last year and they obviously felt that there was nobody in the draft better than these guys, or of a better value than what the Titans picked.
I LOVE the pick of Johnson. Maybe they could of gotten him later, but if he is the guy that Reinfeldt and Fisher want, then why chance it? I keep hearing on TV and reading that VY needs a weapon. This guy is a weapon! He has good hands, quickness and unbelievable speed. He is the guy that if he gets into the secondary then he is gone. When was the last time we had that?
I honestly am getting tired of the people who like the Titans because they have Vince Young saying they aren't giving him enough weapons, not using him the right way, or complain that they haven't brought over enough Texas guys....come on, he's a pro, a titan, not a Longhorn. First and foremost I am a fan of the team more than any player or coach on this team....and the team is trying to get him as many weapons as they can. I promise that Reinfeldt and Fisher aren't sitting around trying to figure out a way to screw Young.
I know people are disappointed that we didn't draft Bennett, he's a Bear, we need to get over it...just like I have to get over not picking Hardy.
I know nothing of the round 2 guy, but I am OK with drafting the TE in round 3. If he was the best blocking TE in the draft, then it is a good pick. People are whining that we didn't take an o-lineman....well isn't that what we basically did with this pick.
Hawkins is a great pick. I would of liked to have had some of the "better" WR's, but this could be a steal in the 4th round. What's best is we got him for Adam Jones. If he makes the field, then it is a great pick...and I mean the practice field!
I understand that it doesn't look like a great draft overall, but Reinfeldt and Fisher know more than we do about the needs of this team, and hopefully they have filled those needs. We were a playoff team last year. I was happy with that, now it's time to start winning some playoff games! Jimmy has posted the amount of time until our opener....I can't wait!
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I liked out draft and LOVE Johnson
/crawls back into bottle, weeps for a few more days
by August West on Apr 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT 0 recs
It's ridiculous
This year, if you want Chris Johnson, fine. I like him. I think he's a great addition. He was one of our best picks in recent memory, but trade down. If Johnson goes, you can replace him with Charles or Slaton in the third or even someone undrafted like Anthony Aldridge at UH.
Round Two, what do you think they were doing sitting there and watching a bunch of players I know they loved get snatched up. Hmmm, I'll tell you what their board looked like at pick 16 in round two: 1. Desean Jackson, 2. Limas Sweed, 3. Malcolm Kelly, 4. Trevor Laws, 5. Quentin Groves, 6. Calais Campbell, 7. Fred Davis and no 8. They think they are in great shape, then.....BOOM. Laws goes at 16 to PHilly. Davis at 17 to Wash. Dsean at 18 to Philly. Campbell at 19. Kelly at 20. Groves at 21. And the real kick in the junk....Sweed at 22.
Poor Titans are left with no one to choose. Why? Because they sat on their asses again. I can promise you they didn't have Jason Jones above any of the players they watched go. The Titans don't make moves, they take their medicine.
Round Three, I'm also willing to bet they had Craig Stevens ranked below Pat Sims (who went at 14) Doucet (18) Morgan (19) Zuttah (20) and Douglas (21).
Round Four, someone explain trading up for a HUGE reach. The only time the Titans move up is to take a deeep sleeeper DE/OLB! What? Why not move up in two or three? Who drafting after them was going to Pick Hayes? Cleveland with their first pick of the draft ?
Hawkins is great. I'm excited he was there. I have no idea who Stanford Kegler is.
Round Five could have been Marcus Howard, Letroy Guion DT, Carlton Powell DT, or Dmario Pressley DT. But we traded it away to move up.
Should I continue to 2007?
Round One: trade back if you want griffin, up if you want someone else.
Round Two: trade back, who else is gonna grab Henry? there were two RBs taken in the next 50 picks: Green Bay went with Brandon Jackson and Miami went with Lorenzo Booker. Just because scouts love Henry doesn't mean they should reach a round.
Round Three: again, I'm sure Paul Williams wasn't their top WR. Why not move and get someone to fill your biggest need?
The Titans talent evaluation we don't know enough about. I agree. But the way the franchise gets from a player it likes to a player it drafts is laughable.
My
by willchance on Apr 28, 2008 10:55 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree
This implies that if we miss Chris Johnson, we could just pick up some other speed back that would fill in just as well, which is completely ignorant because if that was the case we already have our guy in Chris Henry.
Again, nearly everything said after that we are in agreement on. I was irate when I heard they traded up in round 4 for a reach at DE. I like the Hawkins pick as well...
by SuperHorn on
Apr 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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i'm sure...
what i mean is they scout and research who they think will be available. if they like a guy, they draft him. as for trading up or back....maybe nobody was trying to move up into the 24 spot. we can't assume that. if there were people moving up, then maybe they weren't offering a pick where we could get the man we wanted.
I have followed this franchise for a long time and have faith in coach fisher. I agree that last year's draft hasn't panned out yet and I don't think Chris Henry will ever amount to much, but give it some time. We'll see.
by gotitans27 on Apr 28, 2008 11:06 AM CDT 0 recs
just wondering
Here's Fisher's comment from the tennessean yesterday, "Good receivers are always a priority. You are always looking for good ones but you have to trust your board and you have to also respect needs of other positions,'' Fisher said. "We could very well have taken a receiver earlier in the draft but they weren't there. They disappeared before we were ready to pick and so we moved on to another position."
Picks don't just disappear. Teams choose them. You evaluate the other teams' needs and move accordingly. WR is by far our biggest need. Move ahead of other teams with the same need.
by willchance on
Apr 28, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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you missed my point with long and mcfadden...
by gotitans27 on
Apr 28, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Really?
Those guys were taken from 47-53. Immediately before we picked 60 points separate us from those picks on the value chart. We could have given up a fourth round pick and moved up to fill a huge need. Instead we slept. And got burned. That is bad management.
Long and McFadden were over 1500 points away from us on the draft trade chart. We would have had to give away our entire draft this year and a first pick next year to make that happen. I fail to see how you have a point.
by willchance on
Apr 28, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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you got to have somebody who really wants to
Weak.
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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Yeah, that may be weak
Washington didn't trade with Atlanta at 48
And Jacksonville didn't trade with Tampa Bay at 52.
Other teams saw the value on the board and traded to fill a need. The Titans stood pat despite having the most glaring WR need in the league. Don't appeal to the black box we're-just-lowly-fans argument. That fallacy is the only thing that's weak.
by willchance on
Apr 28, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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touché on the trade point
Lets pay close attention to the situations with Roy Williams and Aquan B... those are guys who could help us right away.
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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Cheers
by willchance on
Apr 28, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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I agree...
by gotitans27 on
Apr 28, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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Why does everyone make that flawed argument?
As Titans fans, it is our right to hold their feet to the fire.
I keep pounding the table on these boards to remind people that Reinfeldt's first Draft, last year, continues to grade in the 'D' range, a full season later. The guy strikes me as a good "company" guy. If we walk into this season with 10-20 million in excess cap space, with a team that has reasonable odds of winning 9 games, then he'll have done his job, from the perspective of profitability. That extra money goes straight into Adams pocket. Now, you might argue that Adams has proven that he was willing to spend up to the cap space, as evidenced by prior years, but back then the cap was much lower. Far be it for me to make the outright accusation, but just to sugggest that people consider the motivation behind entering a season with excess cap space, when guys like Michael Turner were available in Free Agency for those willing to spend.
Motivations aside, these two have aligned their playing philosophies... Smash-mouth football, where the game is won at the line of scrimmage. In such a setup, the QB is an afterthought, a "game manager", that horrible term used to describe a mediocre QB whose sole purpose is to not lose the game.
We know our receivers. They are well below average. Chance of us having a breakout receivers? How, who? Ealy, Hawkins? At what point does this FO decide that the passing game is worth some investment?
You can be as tired as you want by fans who act disappointed that Vince did not get his weapons... but I just want to point out that the reason they are disappointed is because Reinfeldt promised that it was a priority to upgrade the receiving corps. The only move that will impact this year in a potentially major way is the Crumpler signing. The *sshole lied to us, and now we'll probably have to sit through another season of Vince throwing balls that bounce off our brick-handed receivers while his confidence continues to erode.
They were not wrong to skip a WR in the first. They were decidedly wrong to reach for a DL in the 2nd when many of the best receivers were still available. I can only imagine how p!ssed off Vince Young is right now.
by BeansCarter on Apr 28, 2008 11:12 AM CDT 0 recs
Y'know...
Oh, and I hear that Chris Johnson guy can catch, and is pretty fast.
by hartley on
Apr 28, 2008 7:31 PM CDT
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what receiver...
one note of clarification- i'm not tired of people that think we should get him more weapons, i just get frustrated with non titans fans constantly complaining about it because they are UT fans that still love vince. i understand it, but i want what is best for the titans and to finally get a a super bowl ring!!
by gotitans27 on Apr 28, 2008 11:37 AM CDT 0 recs
All mistakes
And, in willchance's defense, I don't think he was suggesting that a WR was available at pick 54. His point was that the FO should have had the sense to know that the teams ahead of them were competing for the same players and traded up accordingly.
by SuperHorn on
Apr 28, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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B. Jones and R. Williams
Dinger will fix that, because our WRs will know they'll ride the bench for such idiocy.
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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I agree
by SuperHorn on
Apr 28, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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good points...
i just think there was not any wr they coveted enough to move up in front of 54.
by gotitans27 on Apr 28, 2008 12:00 PM CDT 0 recs
I really hope
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 28, 2008 1:28 PM CDT 0 recs
fo is just like our team
sure chris johnson is a risky signing for most teams, but you get the feeling that the titans were backed into that pick. same for jones, and every pick after. they just sat pat and went by their board.
fo is essentially our team on the field. run, run, short pass, and then randomly go for big plays when it doesnt really matter (william hayes).
by rolypoly32 on Apr 28, 2008 1:59 PM CDT 0 recs
Are there stats
by numbertenox on Apr 28, 2008 3:11 PM CDT 0 recs
Good Night
I'm sorry Vince. If I could separate and catch passes for you, I would. Sorry that your talent is being wasted with a bunch of scrub WRs. I hope Ealy works out for you. Sorry you can't take off and run anymore because safeties dont respect the deep threat. Indy 2006 was fun.
Goodbye mcm. Have fun saying 6000 times that there are some interesting vet wide outs we could deal for this off season. Then have fun saying 6000 times that the Front Office knows best--they're professionals.
by willchance on Apr 28, 2008 3:16 PM CDT 0 recs
So you aren't going to be a fan anymore?
by Jimmy on
Apr 28, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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That is pretty harsh
He can go be a Bengal fan. They're good.
Or maybe the Browns. Did they make the playoffs last year?
by gramsey712 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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I was kinda
by Big Bad Bulluck on
Apr 28, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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I think
holla
Actually made me smile.
by gramsey712 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:17 PM CDT
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not trying to be an arse to the guy,
So yeah willchance, holla.
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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Hey Jimmy,
And I have to proofread as part of my job! Go figure...
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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"If he's really are upset"
by gramsey712 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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actually that's just my pirate accent
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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not really gonna miss him either...
by gotitans27 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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Bye
by hartley on
Apr 28, 2008 7:28 PM CDT
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Maybe...
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 28, 2008 3:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Maybe
Maybe.
by gramsey712 on Apr 28, 2008 3:59 PM CDT 0 recs
I did say maybe
Doctor?
by gramsey712 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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I'm a Longhorn fan.
I have been an Oilers/Titans fan for over 30 years of my life. I remember the Luv Ya Blue days. I can still sing the Oilers song from memory. Earl Campbell was my childhood hero as well as Bum. I used to fight my big brother because he was a Cowboys fan. I was at the Oilers/Broncos playoff game in Mile High cheering on the boys. I was devastated when Elway pulled a win out of his little magic hat. I've been a fan a long, long time.
In fact the only time I really wasn't a Titans football fan, was during their Super Bowl. I was just pissed that they didn't make it as the Oilers, but I still wanted them to win. I did stop watching the NFL for awhile after the Oilers became the Titans, but I never stopped following the team. Bringing in Vince, Ahmard, and Bo just re-kindled the fire, and I am once again a diehard fan.
I want more weapons for the TITANS. Vince does not a team make. This is a team game, and I to grow weary of all the more weapons for Vince talk. How about more weapons for Kyle? Wouldn't he like it if our offense score more points.
So, take a step down from that really tall pony you're on and realize that you're not the only Titans fan, and that it is ok to question why they do some of the things they do on draft day.
And yes, I would have loved for them to take Sweed and Charles. They didn't. I think they did pretty well with the guys they did pick. I just think they managed the draft differently then I would have liked to have seen.
Good day.
by Hook em Titans on Apr 28, 2008 4:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Me too
Now there are some idiot I-only-like-college-football fools that call in these talk radio shows, etc and say that it-is-obvious-that-Fisher-can't-coach-cause-Vince-was-SOOOOO-much-better-in-college-and-I-am-a-Texas -fan-so-I-know-best that absolutely drive me insane. Like Big Bad Bulluck.
Oh wait, he is a Michigan fan.
holla
by gramsey712 on
Apr 28, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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Ohhhh I see it now
by August West on
Apr 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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I am not a Texas
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT 0 recs
No I was not singled out
Enough of this part of the string. I let my emotions get the better of me and fired off a return salvo. Sorry.
I love the Johnson pick. Even the Jones and TE dude. Thought the DT/DE in the the 4th was just strange. The others are fine.
Hawkins, I think will prove to be a good pick. I've watched a little bit of CAL over the last few years and he looks pretty good.
Just thought that it was worth the risk to hold off a round on all of those and grab either a top end DE/DT/WR in the first. Don't know if Johnson would have been there, but I think we could have risked it. The others I believe would have been there a round later.
Anyway. That's it.
Go Titans!
by Hook em Titans on
Apr 28, 2008 6:14 PM CDT
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I made the post...
by gotitans27 on
Apr 28, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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Yeah,
by Big Bad Bulluck on
Apr 28, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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Know what they are doing?
by DonFrancisco on Apr 28, 2008 5:08 PM CDT 0 recs
wha...?
by hartley on
Apr 28, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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We gonna use 3 ball carriers?
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 28, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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Dr. Z
"Tennessee Titans: If only on freak-show appeal alone. I don't know what a 4.24 running back looks like, but that's what Chris Johnson clocked at the combine. He's not a shrimpy little guy, either. He's 197 pounds. I mean, are there stretches when he leaves the ground entirely? I like Craig Stevens, the Cal TE (third round) as well."
Peter King didn't like our draft on the other hand - three RBs in a row in top 50 was a factoid he didn't like.
When we grade the Titans 2008 draft a few years from now, we should also grade Jimmy's mock draft alongside with it.
by numbertenox on Apr 28, 2008 9:20 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow...
Just got through this long trail of comments. It seems we had one casualty. Anyway, I like the new look of the board. Check out my personalized avatar. ;)
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on Apr 29, 2008 3:05 PM CDT 0 recs
iam telling you it was all chows fault. i dont think the players had much respect for him as far as wanting to preform for the guy. that was a mistake and also chris henery seems to be a mistake also.
it was also a fluke to only score so few passing touchdowns last year it wont happen again it was a fluke. dinger is not going to be up in the box attempting to call plays . hes going to be down in brandon jones face wondering why he cant seem to catch a easy ball late in the game to pull it in for the win.
i think they are going to go back to old school pass to the tightends and run the ball like they did with mcnair back when dinger was with us. this new guy johnson seems a really good fit to their scheem. they want to run the plays for shorter gains instaed of the long ball. cus in my opinion vince cant seem to hit the long ball anyway so whats the point of drafting a fast reciver to run down the field if the ball is 10 yards of target. they want to keep it a short passing game to the tightends and dump it off to johnson and hope he breaks a big one and also run the ball with lendale. thats going to be the recipe for success in their minds.
its not rocket sicence if they draft another tightend, pass on a wide reciver and get johnson who can catch short passes and take it to the house. they are setting themselves up for ball control and time of possesion cus they want to keep the ball out of mannings hands and the best way todo that is run and make short passes move the ball down the firld and hopefully score this time around.
by dentureboy on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Relax people
Why dont yall just sit back, shut up, and wait to see what happens with these picks(including 2007). It is way to early to bash any of these selections. We are not able to see exactly what the coaches and scouts are able to. So relax and in 2 years or so, you can talk some smack.!
by Tony13 on May 16, 2008 3:19 AM CDT 0 recs










