2008 NFL Draft Day 2 Open Thread
I will be out for most of the morning so get the dicussion going here. I will weigh in on the Titans choices when I get back.
After sleeping on it, I am not as disappointed with the Chris Johnson as I was yesterday. The worst thing about it is that the Titans are admitting that they are giving up on Chris Henry. That was a terrible pick if you are giving up on him after just 1 season....
Update [2008-4-27 13:24:1 by Jimmy]: Here are today's picks:
#83 Craig Stevens, TE, Cal
#103 William Hayes, DE, Winston Salem State
#126 LaVelle Hawkins, WR, Cal
#134 Stanford Keglar, OLB, Purdue
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I'm ok with Johnson
Compare to McFadden. 325 attempts for 1830 yds (5.6 ypc) and 21 catches for 164 yds (7.8 ypc).
Compare Johnsons receiving stats to desean jackson (65 catches for 762 yds 11.7 ypc).
This guy is good. He has produced in college and is by far the fastest RB in recent history. Henry has never produced, Johnson has. Good move getting him. But, the Titans are horrible at drafting. The move was to trade down in the first and/or up in the second. They did this same mickey mouse bullshit last year: wait for the draft to come to you, then get screwed because the two or three teams in front of you have the same needs.
Andre Caldwell and Earl Bennett are still on the board, why the Titans haven't traded up yet I'll never know...
by willchance on Apr 27, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there goes
only a few impact wrs left
by dsp82 on Apr 27, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Earl Bennett is now a Bear...
Titans are terrible at drafting. no creativity; the Patriots have 3 3rd round picks via smart dealmaking. We get a late 4th rounder for Pac and we have no 6th because of Bryce Fisher...
I am curious to see all the terrible decisions Reinfeldt makes today.
by BeansCarter on Apr 27, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting close !!!
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!!?????!!!!!!
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Might as
There no saving this draft anymore...
by dsp82 on Apr 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They must....
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
suppose to be a blocking TE
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what he is...
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
... as far as need
Nonetheless, when I say he's a great blocker... i'm not just saying that... he literally is the best blocker i've ever seen... once he has you, you cannot disengage. You can really see that he has incredibly strong hands and arms.
Pac10 is not the SEC, but we got some pretty damn good LBs and DEs... and Stevens just closes them down, you should see him put Ray Maualuga on his back.
Bottom line you can't deny that Stevens can play and contribute immediately... what I question is why you guys aren't taking more WRs.
by danzig on Apr 27, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
language...
i don't get it, i know they have a plan, i just don't get it. he was projected as a high 5th or low 6th.
by gotitans27 on Apr 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't think we should
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be NO...
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK I'll take that bet
by numbertenox on Apr 27, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which sounds fine. Even good.
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Henry
by Titans Fan 10 on Apr 27, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are We Forgetting?
Drafting a WR in the early rounds usually equals bust, and we can shore up our O and D lines further down the draft.
Is Chad Johnson and Jason Taylor in out future? I doubt it, although Taylor would be a nice addition.
by Rustmeister on Apr 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This feels
As noted above, they better have something up their sleeve in the form of a trade for a high end receiver...
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
'What a fool believes'
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're deep as it gets at WR
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You do get the idea that they...
a) J. McCareins still has some gas in the tank
b) R. Williams can develop as a #1
or c) B. Jones will finally show up healthy and with decent hands
...then things are fine. But it's been rough to watch.
Gonna have a great run-game, though.
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Bubba Caldwell from FLA...
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Drafting a WR in the early rounds usually equals..
You think Justin Gage is gonna wake up one day and all of a sudden play like Larry Fitzgerald?
We are a run-first team. Sure. Doesn't mean you can ignore the passing game. I'll say it again, Mike Reinfeldt misled the fans for having said that priority #1 was finding weapons for Vince. This was clearly not the objective. The objective was apparently to render the QB irrelevant in the Titans offense.
by BeansCarter on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm happy
chris johnson provides speed and return ability....
something we desperately needed...
think of it this way....he is tougher than desean jackson of cal....but provides similar things...
and i love our 3rd round pick....i would have taken the best blocking TE in the draft in the 2nd....
by zackmann on Apr 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4th round selections....i want these positions
G
CB
by zackmann on Apr 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gb thought we might take another DE?
by zackmann on Apr 27, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They traded up in the fourth.
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
William Hayes, OLB/DE, Winston-Salem State
by CoryC123 on Apr 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's East Lansing Community's...
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand
by VY on Apr 27, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The guy's gonna turn out to be 6'10"...
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN doesn't even have a scouting report or school
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's an interview calling him a 'sleeper'
http://www.thefootballexpert.com/williamhayesdraftinterview080001.html
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
william hayes
nice to know something about hayes, but i would love to understand why we needed to trade up for this guy but couldn't do it to get a WR.
by longtitan on Apr 27, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
another defesive end?
maybe they think vince young cant complete the long pass anyway so why draft a reciever.
by dentureboy on Apr 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where
by dentureboy on Apr 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better yet...
by Titans Fan 10 on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Funny.
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this was touched on earlier...
http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/598758.html
"Chris Johnson (5-foot-10, 198-pounds) learned the news while with his family in Orlando, Fla.,
and he said the Titans told him Friday they were worried he wouldn't still be available at No. 24. He was happy to get the phone call from the Titans, who will unite him with new running backs coach Earnest Byner. Johnson had been kidding Byner about breaking his records at East Carolina."
The Titans planned this from the get go. WR, DT, or DE were never in the cards.
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is getting Comical.
Can't wait for the next pick.
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Johnson ends up being a faster Westbrook
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no need to draft WR
hopefully our guys were underachieving because of Chow if not it will be fun watching white and Johnson run into 11 defenders in the box next year
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys
but it will be interesting to see how this plays out
by white02slpss on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What did....
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our 4th and 5th
4th pick in 4th
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guys
think they are thinking of converting him to Full time WR?
by white02slpss on Apr 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can almost guarantee that he'll be a hybrid
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are totally
by hal41605 on Apr 27, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
LenDale.
Neither of them alone has been as effective as they were in tandem in college. LenDale needs a Reggie Bush type guy, and Reggie needs a power back.
by hartley on Apr 28, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda hoping
by rob on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LAVELL HAWKINS!
by CoryC123 on Apr 27, 2008 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gil Brandt
by Hook em Titans on Apr 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th Round Pick #2 - Lavelle Hawkins/WR Cal
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looks like the same player as Chris Davis
by Jimmy on Apr 27, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked
by Big Bad Bulluck on Apr 27, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW,
by SuperHorn on Apr 27, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm OK with our draft
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice of Kiper to throw us a bone:
I really wanted to hear that yesterday... ahh well
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last pick and i'm out of here
by LastSd on Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stanford Keglar
by rob on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TE Stevens and WR Hawkins Analysis
I'm a contributor on several Cal football blogs.
Craig Stevens (6'3,253,4.59)
You don't know him too well, but you guys are getting the best blocking TE in the Pac10. And according to many mocks, he was projected as a mid-rounder, so this is not a reach.
On the team he's known as the strongest player on the team, stronger than all the lineman. This show up b/c its impossible to disengage from his blocks and pancakes everyone. But you'll notice first his ability take the best DE and put them on their backs. If you ask Marshawn Lynch who the best blocker on the team was, he'll say its Stevens, not his OLinemen. Team captain and a high character guy. Was semifinalist for Mackey award and is always on the watchlist.
He's very fast, i think the second fastest 40 time in the combine. The only questions are regarding his hands, he does drop balls that are thrown hard or behind him. But once he catches a ball, its pretty darn hard to get him down. He basically thinks he's a superhero and never wants to go down.
Lavelle Hawkins (5'11,187,4.52)
Some scouting reports say that he drops balls. This is the most laughable thing I've ever heard. Mostly this comes from the fact he dropped two TD passes in the Stanford game (the last game of the season), but he's never dropped another ball the entire season. He's generally known as the best catcher on our team. He can make all the circus type catches, stretching out, behind him, one handed. I mean, this guy can catch a microwave if you threw it at him.
From a fan perspective, many of us believe he's a much better WR than Desean Jackson. He loves to catch balls over the middle and likes to use the stiff arm, sometime he just tries to get too much extra yardage so people try to strip him, although last year, he didn't fumble even once. Great KOR guy that averages 28yrd, doesn't have too many moves compared to Desean Jackson, but can always make the first guy miss. No injury issues, ever.
His downside comes from "ocho cinco" syndrome, where he's bit of a ham. But being the top receiver on the Cal team, being a bit cocky is understandable. His size doesn't make him a very good blocker in the run game, but he's just ok.
If you guys have any questions, post them here.
by danzig on Apr 27, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
some more stuff
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/video/?c=Player&p=215790&s =3031515&i=241250
Hawkins:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/video/?c=Player&p=215788&s =3031509&i=268643
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_daLRKzIF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnP7caTCtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqpwn6HUvIg
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19291
btw: hawkins was the runnerup for the senior bowl MVP and was the most productive WR during the game.
by danzig on Apr 27, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
by Rustmeister on Apr 27, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
by Rustmeister on Apr 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good comparison
i'm not saying the Hawk will one day be the superbowl mvp, that remains to be seen... but he has the talent to catch literally everything throw in his direction.. after the catch he likes make people miss and then to stiff arm people... and like ward he doesn't have blazing speed, but functional speed... at school he was timed at 4.44.... but is basically the same body type and size as Ward.
I say that the Hawk is a poor run blocker not b/c of his physicality... once he has the ball he's a beast...you guys will love seeing him stiff arm people... its him missing blocking assignments and maybe he's not strong enough to put corners on the ground like he should.
by danzig on Apr 27, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was Chris Johnson against..
I haven't had a chance to really research him but any insight would be appreciated. Thanks
by b3tts32 on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad afterall!
Looking forward to see Chris and im 100 procent sure he will be a succes.
Both Jason JOnes and Stevens also looks like good solid picks. Maybe they were a little a reach, but as long as they perform and makes the team im happy.
Think both offense and DE/DT have been strengthen this weekend.
Now let heimdinger do his magic and lets gets the season started.
by amagertitans on Apr 27, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Henry (WR)
by burke385 on Apr 27, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Henry
by Thunder Jones on Apr 27, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if...
by Titanfan on Apr 27, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yet another 7th round CB!
by August West on Apr 27, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
from NFL.com
by burke385 on Apr 27, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful...
Argh.
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by DannoE on Apr 27, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mel Kiper Likes Hawkins
by danzig on Apr 27, 2008 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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