Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Baby Won't You Carry Me / Back To Tennessee! Edition
by August West on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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(Feel free to click here if you don't know the reference in the title and this pic...)
Lets take a minute, step back and give a big tip of the hat to what this Titans team and coaching staff have accomplished already: locking up the 2008 AFC South Conference Title!
Paul Kuharsky points out the since the 'Best team in the AFC' - the Jets - lost to unwatchable San Francisco, the Titans assured of a first round bye in the playoffs.
Congrats to Crazy Legs for joining legends Earl Campbell and Eddie George as the only Oilers/Titans RBs to break the 1,000 yard mark a rookie! Has the pick for our offensive MVP ever been this easy?
Wasn't that nice to celebrate? Now back to business, because our fellas won't win a lot of games if they're getting popped for 131 yards on 13 penalties like they did against the Browns.
Teresa Walker runs down the sizable list of defensive lineman who have been cast off and nearly run out of the league, only to carve out a productive career with the Titans. The list is a testament to how diligent the Titans' scouts are and how adept the coaching staff is at finding guys who can fit the specialized roles in our scheme.
If you live in the Nashville area, be on the look-out for special 'Smash n' Dash' t-shirts at your local Krogers (I'll post online ordering information as soon as I can find it)! I saw one last night, and they feature cartoon caricatures of Crazy Legs and LenDale. Be sure to pick one up, since all proceeds will go to charity:
"Me and C.J. were talking about it for awhile, and we called somebody and got them involved and it took off," White said. "Now, they've got the shirts printed up. Hopefully, we can keep it going and sell a lot of them, so we can give back to the community and give some money to foster kids. Hopefully, we can make enough so we can take some of them out shopping for Christmas."
What does the duo think of the artistic rendition?
Both men appreciated how true their likenesses were in cartoon versions.
"It's pretty close, but they could have given me some more muscles," Johnson said.
Added White, "I think I'm pretty hot, but we'll let the ladies decide that."
Piggy backing off of that article, Dave Ball gets some much deserved love from Pro Football Weekly.
I wish I could say that only Peter King is dumb enough to still have the Giants ranked ahead of the Titans, but alas he won't be. I get the feeling, however, that our dominance will be proven over the next 3 weeks.
This article is priceless: It's calling for the firing of both the offensive and defensive coordinators of the Jets, but gets special mention here for this gem:
These are the depths to which the team has fallen not two weeks after beating the Tennessee Titans in arguably the best regular-season win in franchise history.
Wow... just... Wow.
I know you good people are reading more great articles than I can track down each day, so if you have a link you'd like to submit for tomorrow's Morning Links, email me at mcmaugustwest@gmail.com! (Be sure to include your commenting handle so I can give you semi-anonymous credit.)
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thanks for the heads-up! looks like the paper took the story down shortly after I read it. Weird…
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nickname submission
We shall add Armad Hall to the mix of Smash & Dash – IT is now, Smash, Dash, & M.A.S.H.
by TrenchantTitan on Dec 8, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Alright...
I need some “fair and balanced”, objective insight. I guess this is as good a place to do it as any.
As many of you certainly know, I’m a HUGE UT(exas) fan. So, here’s the question. Does Florida deserve to play in the national championship over Texas?
Everyone has spent so much time comparing UT and Oklahoma, it seems no one considered to compare Texas and Florida. Let me throw this out there…
Texas had one loss. It was on the last play on the road that resulted in a narrow loss. On top of that, this game was the fourth in a brutal stretch of 4 games against teams ranked 11 or higher. By the way, the team that beat us, Texas Tech, lost only ONE game this year against the #1 team in the nation, which we beat on a neutral field.
Meanwhile, Florida loses to an 8-4 team AT HOME. The go on to win the rest of their games, but against a conference that most would agree was second in the country to the Big 12.
Someone please tell me what I’m missing here. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
simple...
the loss came too late in the season… may not seem fair but it’s how it works and will always work
by Michaeltastic on Dec 8, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Texas got scrreeeewwwd by not getting to play in the Championship game
But I am a firm believer that you have to win your conference to play for the title. I think Texas’ biggest complaint is with the Big 12 stupid rules for putting any credence in the BCS rankings in the first place.
You can’t tell me that Ohio State would have stood a chance against that Georgia team last year. But “they didn’t win their conference” so they got passed up.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I am thinking about it, is it a BCS requirement that you have to win your conference?
Or is that been one of those “unwritten rules” that are thrown out there only when they are made up to manipulate the outcome.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I meant the Big 12 Championship game, not the National Championship.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is not a rule.
I understand your opinion about a rematch an not wanting to see that. But, the system isn’t about what we “want to see”, it’s about putting the most deserving teams on the field. I mean, do you want to see Alabama play Utah? How about VTech play Cincinnati?
I’m looking for someone to make a case for Florida. The whole “the loss was too late in the season” is garbage, and it’s insulting to the voters. They are all rational human beings. I understand the system.
To your point about winning your conference…so, hypothetically, let’s say the 3rd best team in the nation has 3 losses and is from the ACC, but won their championship. 1 and 2 are from the Big 12 and are undefeated and one loss, respectively. You’d rather pit 1 vs 3 in the national championship?
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't get on board with a National Champion that did not win their conference. What would be the point of having Conference Championship games?
(I don’t think USC deserves a shot at all) But if Texas goes, does USC not have a huge complaint as well? I don’t know—-I think the BCS is hurting college football more than helping.
I still agree that Texas is getting bent over and not even getting a reach around.
But the same thing happened to Auburn in 04, and if that didn’t lead to change….
I just don’t understand how these BCS people can sit there with a straight face and tell us they get it right.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In case you couldn't tell from that post--I can't make an argument either way.
I think Florida deserves it over Texas, but I think Texas deserves it over Oklahoma.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be clear
You think Florida over Texas because they won their conference, right?
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Partially, and because I am an unabashed SEC homer. And they won their conference.
Just like the 80% of the poll voters who will vote for their team or conference just because they are homers.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most years, you're right
This year, though, I’d argue that the Big 12 was the strongest conference in football. At least strong enough that two teams should get consideration from the voters for the National Championship.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like I said, I think we are both on the same side of the argument that the BCS sucks
And add Texas to the growing list of schools that hopefully will take a stand against it. Auburn in 04, Georgia last year and now Texas.
Hopefully we will see a playoff in our lifetime, but it seems like every year there is a few months of outrage and then it is back to business as usual.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
The most insulting thing about it all is the BCS committee. The players, coaches, and fans are all clamoring for a playoff. Have been for years. But the smug, arrogant assholes at the BCS have the audacity to say, “Nah. We’re right. The system stays as it is.”
The worst part is that they have such a valuable commodity that no one would dare boycott or revolt against it. I certainly wouldn’t.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the system is definitly broken
But I also think that you should’nt have two teams from the same conference playing in the National Championship.
I think those two teams should’ve been Texas & Florida, but the BCS don’t care what I think.
by theologic on Dec 8, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of this.
I watched both games. Florida beat a very, very good squad from Alabama, and if they don’t win the Nat’l Championship, I’ll be AMAZED. They deserve to be #1 IMHO without question.
Texas whould be #2 because they beat OK. They should have played for the Big 12 Conf. Championship, and having won it, should play Florida for the Nat’l.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Without question?
What say you about that Ole Miss loss?
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter.
They won their conference. If TX wanted to play in the Championship, they should have won their conference too.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of their hands...
Which I suspect that you agree with considering you think UT should be playing in the MNC.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah.
Texas won the head-to-head vs. OK, so I don’t get why they didn’t play in the Big 12 Championship, but to me, you should NEVER have non-conference championship teams playing for the Nat’l. Otherwise you make the Conference Championship games de facto penalty games.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
To an extent, except when the two best teams are in the same conference, which I believe happened this year. I mean is that really so unreasonable? Are we forced to have the teams from two different conferences “just because”?
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sure.
Happens all the time in the Pros with the NFC and AFC. And they have a Playoff.
Even with a playoff, you still have to have brackets, and so you might get the two best teams to play in the Semi’s.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Happens every year in I-AA.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
We don’t have a playoff. We have this BCS garbage. With that in mind, can two teams from the same conference play in the MNC? The rules allow it. Two people can’t win a conference championship Danno. So, in this case, the “win your conference championship” doesn’t carry weight if the two best teams are in the same conference.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this point will be moot
once the sec makes it 3 in a row. or are you talking about alabama and florida? cuz i could see that…
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida yes.
sorry man
The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!
by BigW on Dec 8, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida just seems like a juggernaut to me
Not only that but they just beat the #1 team in the country.
I’m a golfing buddy of Mack’s and like him a lot but for once I think the BCS got it right.
Don’t get me a wrong though. i’d love to see a playoff system up and running where they could have a shot though.
The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!
by BigW on Dec 8, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A juggernaut?
There in lies a huge problem with the BCS. Mack has been backed into a corner…all coaches have for that matter. Gamesmanship is out the window. You have to run up the score to get a fair shake. Did you watch the Mizzou/Texas game? How about Texas/A&M? These are two cases where Mack could have easily run it up, but didn’t.
And, for the record, Texas beat the “real #1” earlier in the season on a neutral field.
Last to add, “Florida just seems like a juggernaut,” is hardly objective. In fact, I’d argue that it’s just the opposite. Can you give me an objective argument? Ie. Let’s compare strength of schedule, “best loss”, etc, etc, etc.
Sorry, if this comes off the wrong way, I’m livid about this whole situation. I would liken it to the Colts and the Giants getting “voted” into the Superbowl. The Giants may have lost a couple more games, but they were the “hot team.” Or, so the media and PK says…
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry if I've ticked you off
My team is out of the mix and I could really give two shits either way. I’m not going to expend the energy to debate this any further. You can’t debate opinion………
The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!
by BigW on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You took that the wrong way
I’m not “ticked” at you. It’s with the situation. And, you’re right, you can’t debate opinion. I’d argue that this can all be proved with numbers and objective analysis, though. A conversation I’m happy to have.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why Div I-A needs playoffs.
I’m sorry, but relying on BCS rankings to break a 3-way tie is stupid.
And a couple of teams might have had a down year, but I still think SEC beats Big 12.
by hartley on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sec 2nd to the big 12?
now i feel like you are sharing the crazy pills.
just because defense doesn’t exist in the big 12 doesn’t make it a better conference
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you consider that
Maybe the offenses are just that good. Or, maybe SEC offenses are that bad? Without a large sample of interconference play, there is no way we can answer this.
This isn’t some outlandish thing I’m stating here either. Most would agree that the BIg 12 had the better year.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people are enamored with points, see 2007 patriots
i will still be very surprised if OK cracks 30
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you guys imagine a Texas-USC Rose Bowl rematch
And a Florida-Oklahoma Sugar Bowl to be followed by the winners of those two games playing in the Orange Bowl???
Most awesome 3 games ever?
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The BCS Sucks.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are in agreement about that..
Settle it on a neutral field. The best team goes to the MNC. Wait a second, hasn’t that already happened?
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get why Alabama got knocked-out for losing to Florida
when Florida lost to effin’ Old Miss at home! Alabama wouldn’t be the first team to make the title game despite losing their conference championship (looking at you Oklahoma 2002ish… too lazy to look it up), and they still had a better year than Fla, IMO.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 8, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is a fair argument
And one I could get on board with. I feel like I’m in some sort of alternate reality. Alabama, Texas, and USC can all make at least quasi-rational arguments. Arguments I can understand. But, EVERYONE, including Mack Brown who voted FL #1, is just sweeping the Ole miss loss under the rug. The media is acting like that loss never happened.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because they can't get their faces out of Tebow's jock
if we’re being honest here
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 8, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who is better than Tebow?
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by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JAY CUTLER!!!!!11111!!!!!1111
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by gramsey712 on Dec 8, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VY. By a mile.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because Florida won the SEC, and that puts them ahead of Alabama, who did not win the SEC.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2003 Oklahoma is not impressed
nor is the Kansas St. team that smoked them in their conference championship….
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 8, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a team that beats another team straight up on a neutral site on the last week of the season
should obviously bump the other if their records are the same. sorry but thats a terrible point.
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most would agree with that
The problem is the BCS wants it both ways. That logic holds with Florida but not with Texas. It’s inconsistent.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple points on this
I really have no dog in this fight, other than I want to see a good game. I think any combination of OU, UT, and UF would do that.
Had Texas finished in a tie with only Oklahoma, we wouldn’t be discussing this, and we all know that. However, since it was a 3 way tie, the rules are different. Why does UT over OU mean more than TTU over UT? They all finished with the same record in conference, and each beat each other throughout the season. Seems pretty even to me.
Had UT won the tie-breaker, why wouldn’t TTU have the same argument UT is using now? Margin of Victory should play no part, as it was removed years ago from the computers.
I do agree with you that UT, in this special case, should be a consideration for the MNC game, if they would play OU. The computers all said OU-UT again, but the humans all loved UF. And we’ve been beaten to death how dumb the computers are. I don’t happen to agree with this, but I think I’m in the minority.
It’s the system in place, that everyone agreed to play by at the beginning of the season. Don’t be surprised if a modification happens next season, as they’ve done this numerous times in the past. It sucks for UT, but that’s the way it goes.
By the way, look back at the end of the 1993 season. You’ll see something very similar to this year, and the exact same thing happened then as it did this year w/r/t the MNC game.
by mgrex03 on Dec 8, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Debates like this
are the exact reason the BCS is so stupid. None of us can make an airtight case for or against any of the four 1 loss teams that have been mentioned (USC is out because their conference sucks). We would all love to see OK vs. Bama and Florida vs. Texas with the winners facing off in the title game.
The other thing that really makes me mad as a Bama fan is the fact that we now play Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Who cares about that game? I would rather see Bama vs. Texas, even if Bama loses, than watch us blast Utah.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
by Jimmy on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board with that
And apparently Fox was pushing hard for this “undercard” matchup, but the Fiesta Bowl wasn’t having any of it.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, the BCS is not the way to settle this at all
I am longing for the day when there is a real playoff system for Division 1 football. I understand completely why the Longhorns are upset at the situation. The bcs is better than the days of old, but is a far cry from what needs to be done. I miss the Big 8 conference days.
The Big 12 is set up that this 3 way tie could potentially happen every year, not likely but it could happen. Playoffs could be implemented that would make sponsors, universities and fans happy.
IT is sad because there are several great 1 loss teams that are deserving of playing for it all and can’t
My personal hope:
I am pulling for OU to take it all and for Bradford to win the Heisman this year.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Dec 8, 2008 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The BCS playoff system is not coming.
There is too much money in the current system, and all of this controversy is good for ratings. At the rate they’re going, they’ll keep this BCS-Computer thing until the end of time.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately you are right
I think if you got guys like Saban, Meyer, Brown, Stoops, Carroll, etc. to really speak out every year, even in years when the current system favors their teams, you could see something done. The problem is the only time those coaches say anything is when they get screwed.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
by Jimmy on Dec 8, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't the University heads be all over it though.
Revenue would be increased by playing more games. Money drives the current system, so grow it bigger and make the fans happy.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You could keep the same Bowl games
and use them as the early rounds of the playoffs. That would make some of them more interesting. Does anyone care at all about Virginia Tech vs. Cincinnati besides Notre Dame fans watching their next coach? Nope. If that game was one of the playoff games it would get a lot more attention.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
by Jimmy on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Jimmy
Everyone keeps their money. While attendance might take a little hit in the quarters/semis, viewership would definitely be up, which is where the money is made anyways.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're correct about the revenue.
I think you probably make more if you can hit each and every major fan-base each and every—which is what we’ve got now. If you move to a playoff, you can hit some of the bigger fan-bases harder, and that’s good, but you don’t hit EVERYBODY, and that’s stupid. That leaves money on the table.
With the current system, you can tap the most people for the most money, once. One ticket to one bowl game, and make it as expensive as the market will bear. However, with a playoff, you’d have to try to tap a much smaller proportion of people several times, and I don’t think the marginal profits would be there by the third or fourth double-tap.
I can’t prove this, but I’d be willing to bet that the in-person tickets are a bigger profit driver than the TV ad-sales for all but a VERY small proportion of the games, and even then those ticket sales—and all the rest of the in-person sales—are nothing to sneeze at. That’s even true for the NFL and pro-baseball. If it weren’t, you’d see in-person ticket prices falling—in order to keep stadiums filled for the TV audience.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, a good example of the reverse of this is the WWE.
There, they’ll GIVE away tickets (a process called "papering") in order to make the house look full because almost ALL of their revenue is TV-based in their attempts to sell PPV-buys.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree, because in the NFL when a team gets to the playoffs the fan base
is there throughout the duration of the playoff run. Many times it is the same fans ponying up for the tickets two three and four times. I don’t have numbers to back me up either, but my guess is that the Div 1 games would be all sold out. If your team makes it to the next and you can’t make it to watch someone else will gladly take your place.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the NFL, there is very little travel expenses though
Season Ticket holders, for the most part, live close enough to the stadium to go there. In the playoffs, the games are played in the home stadiums, which is not where these college games would be played.
In a college playoff, with bowl tie-ins, here’s how it could go with 8 teams, and I’ll use Florida as an example:
First Round in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas
Second Round in the Fiesta Bowl in Phoenix
Championship in the Rose Bowl in Los Angeles (hypothetical, since I know the title game is in Miami this year).
That’s a lot of travelling, far away from Gainesville, 3 weeks in a row. As a college student, I swung a trip to a bowl game, so the list of people who would go to 1 game is pretty sizable. When you start adding games on, the number of people who can do multiple games starts to dwindle, especially when the closest game is ~1500 miles from campus.
I realize there will be fans in any city, and people may still only go to one game. But it is much riskier to take the risk of buying tickets to the game, non-refundable plane tickets, non-refundable hotel rooms, etc, for the championship game, and then your team doesn’t make it, than to go to 1 guaranteed game, where you know your team will be there.
by mgrex03 on Dec 8, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've just proven to me that there will never be a college playoff.
Look at it this way: what group of college coaches is EVER going to sign up for that much travel late in the season. No way. At least in the NFL, SOMEBODY has homefield, and they fight like Hell for it just to avoid this very problem.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
by DannoE on Dec 9, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They do it in IAA and it is wildly succesful.
You can watch Montana and James Madison play this weekend (I am not sure where the game is, but either site the other team has got hella travel). And you will see 10 or 15 thousand of the opposing fans on the road. When the winners come here to Chattanooga next week, we will have thousands travel from wherever the heck the school is from to see their players play for a real national championship. The fans will go no matter where the game is. You might not have 60,000 at every game, but you will have enough to make it worth while.
Come on guys, this is not on the coaches, players or fans. It’s the people that make the money from the bowls. In order to get it right, they would have to accept that they will not have their one bigass payoff for 3 or 4 smaller payoffs. That would probably be greater in the end, but they just won’t give it a chance.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 9, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm fine with florida in the mnc
superhorn, i definitely with you on most points, but if i were a texas fan, i would have more of a beef with ou than florida. i think its hard to blame voters for putting florida ahead of texas since they are in different conferences and it is much harder to compare the quality of wins/losses. i mean if ole miss beats texas tech in the cotton bowl, does that mean that floridas loss is now better?
anyways, i think putting ou in the title game over texas was the real issue, and its a shame the longhorns aren’t getting their shot.
as far as the bcs is concerned, i’m all for a plus one system. the national title game is a week later anyways. why not make the existing bcs bowls de facto semifinals and then take the top two teams? there is hardly a year where more than 3 or 4 teams are really in the conversation of best team, and this way all the bowls get to stay, the timing is the same and there is only one additional game.
by rolypoly32 on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
If Ole Miss beats TTU it makes the loss better. But it still isn’t the “best loss”.
From the other thread I started about this:
Andy 01 makes a great argument.
I can see no rational reason, other than "they won their conference" to put Florida in over Texas. Florida’s best win is over the current #4, Texas’ over the current #1. Texas’ only loss was AT the current #7, Florida’s loss was AT HOME to the current #25.
At that point, there isn’t much reason to go into strength of schedule, but the computers did that.
Sagarin: UF’s schedule #18, Texas’ schedule #12
Anderson & Hester: UF #20 Texas #6
Billingsly – no direct SOS ranking, teams are given points based on who they have beaten
Colley: UF #13 Texas #4
Massey: UF #8 Texas #4
Wolfe: NO direct SOS ranking, but Texas is #2 overall and UF is #4 (behind Tech)
Sounds like the computers are pretty sure that UF did NOT play as tough of a schedule as Texas.
So, Texas has a better best win, a loss to a better team in a better location AND has a tougher schedule. NO REASON why Florida should be there, as long as "winning your conference" is not a requirement for selection.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so texas isn't the best team in the big 12 south, according to the big 12
but they might be the best team in the nation? logic fails on that one.
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same reason mccoy is big XII player of the year
and second team all big XII qb.
not sure what the logic is but ummm…well, i dunno.
by rolypoly32 on Dec 8, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You want to take that stance. Most would agree that Texas got hosed as it relates to the Big 12 MNC. But that’s, not really what I’m arguing. For the sake of this argument, I’ll grant that OU is #1. Texas should be #2. Logic holds.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i definitely agree texas got hosed
but they got hosed by their own conference, and florida’s worth is not at stake here. if you want to talk about texas over OU, i’m all ears. but florida beat a team that went 12-0 in the toughest top to bottom conference in the nation. they should be there for sure.
the real problem here is the idea that because tx or ok or ttech can score 70 points a game against non-existent defenses, they are some how worthy of a rematch in the national title game. if texas wanted to get in, they should have beaten tex tech. by losing that game, they put themselves at the mercies of their own conference’s triangle tie-breaker and therefore they don’t get in.
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Non existent defenses?
Again with this. What does it say about SEC defenses when Florida is hanging 50 on them? Couldn’t the same be said about the Big 12?
And, you act like the SEC being the superior conference is something everyone agrees on.
You hate to use this as a measuring stick, but it’s the best we have.
Big 12:
5 teams in the top 25 including 3 in the top 10.
SEC
4 teams in the top 25 including 2 in the top 10. I’d also add that one of those is #25, and snuck in.
I don’t want to get into a conference superiority thing with you. But, look at the rankings, etc. I could make a strong argument for the Big 12. It’s foolish to suggest that there is no room to question the SEC as the most dominant conference this year.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guess the players will have to do the talking
yet another reason why having 2 teams from the same conference in the title game should never happen
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If OU beats Florida I'll eat my shoe.........
The PAIN TRAIN is comin baby!
by BigW on Dec 8, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Proooove it!!
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by Jimmy on Dec 8, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine being auburn fans in 04
13-0 sec champs, no shot at the title.
by hal41605 on Dec 8, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The big 12 Conference Championship was not a good matchup this year at all.
It should have been Texas and OU. I know that was impossible because they are both in the south, but that would have been the fairest way to decide who should move on. I know in head to head that Texas won by 10, but I also know that OU beat same opponents by a larger score, and so it goes on. I maintain a playoff system is the logical way of deciding a champion. I hope it happens, I doubt that it will anytime soon ( the next 10 years) but it would be wonderful. Until it does, there is a lot of uncertainty and hard feelings over it. This type of thing happens nearly every year, it is time for it to be resolved.
Joy Kat
by Joy kat on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Mizzou Alumni and Fan
your comments brought me to tears (truthful that they are). I’m joking, of course, I’m not actually crying – well, not because of your comments – I’m crying because of my teams lackluster effort. Regardless, I agree Texas was hosed, they should have been Big 12 South champions instead of Oklahoma. But this snub wouldn’t even matter if there was a playoff system in place; if there was, Texas would meet OU on the field again, and take out there frustrations on the gridiron.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
by brik on Dec 8, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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