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A Case for Vince Young?

This is going to be the first pro-Vince Young piece I have written since the meltdown he suffered during and after the season opener.  Let me preface this by saying I am not sure what the answer is.  That is why there is a question mark in the title.  We have to be careful not to overract to yesterday's loss because this team is 12-2 with Kerry Collins as the starter.

So let's look at the numbers:

Collins since the 2nd Jaguars game: 61 of 113 (54%) for 706 yards with 3 touchdowns, 3 interceptions and 2 fumbles

Vince Young in weeks 12-15 last season: 69 of 109 (63%) for 806 yards with 4 touchdowns, 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles

Obviously there are a lot of difference between teammates, opponents, offensive coordinators, etc., but Collins hasn't gotten it done in the last month.  The talk of him being considered for MVP is laughable.  Yesterday he missed open receivers all day long, and was not able to throw the Texans out of stacking the box to stop the run. 

The Titans don't ask much of their quarterback, but they do need for him to be able to complete some passes when the other team is in man.  I understand that this group of receivers is sub-par, especially considering the worst receiver in the NFL, Justin McCareins is a part of the group, but they were open a lot yesterday.  Collins just couldn't get the ball to them.

The other issue here is paying a man a billion dollars, who could be your 2nd biggest playmaker, to sit on the bench.  I am all for letting the best player play regardless of the money he is making but is the best player playing?

I do want to add that I do not think the Titans would be 12-2 right now without Collins, but I think he might have jumped the shark.

I don't know the answer to this question, but I think it is worth talking about.  Hopefully the dicussion will be civil.

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FREE VINCE YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!

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6.2 yards per carry
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by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 11:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sincerely,

The rest of the AFC South.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good lord Jimmy

Might as well titled this one “Troll Call.”

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 11:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right

I would love for somebody to come with some numbers or something to prove me crazy.

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Why all of the sudden do you not like Justin McCareins? I seem to remember a post entitled “I am glad we are resigning Justin McCareins because he was so good in Tennessee the first time and he did so well with the Jets and we have all this extra money and he is the last piece we need to win the Super Bowl and Brandon Jones can’t catch a cold so we need him.” or something to that effect.

I will look for it.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

I want to buy his jersey just so I can piss on it.

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You remember that wide open touchdown pass he dropped

against the Raiders on Sunday night in 2003? I have hated that guy ever since.

It actually made me sick to my stomach when we resigned him.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please throw that link up

whenever you find that post.

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You already did
[T]his team is 12-2 with Kerry Collins as the starter.
I do want to add that I do not think the Titans would be 12-2 right now without Collins

I obviously have zero insight as to what they work on in practice, but I can’t imagine they spend more than 10% of the time working on packages for Young at QB. Having two QBs that are completely different in terms of style is very difficult to flip to mid-season, and even more difficult when every game is meaningful.

Going to Young would be desperation, when the entire season they have shown no desperation whatsoever. Losing Haynesworth may make them a little more desperate, but I just can’t see any case where Young sees the field this season.

by mgrex03 on Dec 15, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is difficult to switch mid season

But we should at least point out that Vince was put in mid season in 06 and almost lead the team to the playoffs.

by SuperHorn on Dec 15, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point

That situation was a “Nothing to Lose” situation, and he did win 8 games.

This is the complete opposite of “Nothing to Lose” however.

Teams also have tape on Young now, so preparing for him would not be as difficult as in ’06.

by mgrex03 on Dec 15, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

You’re right on about all this. It’s a hard situation for sure.

by SuperHorn on Dec 15, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've done a good job

staying on the sidelines for this discussion and will continue to do so. I would like to point out; however, that most of (almost exclusively) the tape on VY comes out of a Chow offense.

I’m not advocating for change here. I’m just pointing out.

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by Hook em Titans on Dec 15, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that is an extremely important distinction.

I just wish this was happening in week 4 instead of 16.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical for you

In Week 4, if you were told that, with Collins taking every snap until Week 16, the Titans would be 12-2, would you even fathom replacing him with Young?

by mgrex03 on Dec 15, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant Collins playing like he didn't know where he was.

He’s been great up until the last few weeks.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the new signature

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish someone would call into the Jeff Fisher show

tomorrow night and ask him a question for me:

“Coach, can you, with a straight face, tell us unequivocally that Justin McCareins is better than LaVelle Hawkins.”

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha!

FTW

If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

by jasonkylebates on Dec 15, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bj

should be at the tail end of that question rather than hawk

by numbertenox on Dec 15, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones actually got in the game tho.

He is already getting to play.

I contend that he should be the number 2, and Hawk should come on at 3.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 16, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did I hear Vince Young?

;)

Seriously, this article makes even Vince Young haters pause.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 15, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It probably should happen

But I doubt it will. The numbers say if should happen, but I don’t think Fisher will risk making things worse this close to the playoffs.

Not saying that Vince wouldn’t play better than Collins, but you risk messing with team chemistry.

When would you do it? Start Vince against the Steelers? Throw a rusty QB in against the best defense in the league? Risk getting his confidence killed on the first game back?

Or do you wait until week 17 against the Colts? Start him in the last game of the regular season with the intention of starting him in the playoffs?

I am not sure any of those options are good. Of course, the other option is to just hope that Kerry Collins gets his act together.

I with you Jimmy. I don’t know what the correct answer is.

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I think the right time was half-time yesterday. It was in Houston, where VY has more fans than Nashville, and it would have given him the opportunity to be the come-from-behind hero again. I don’t know what you do now.

by rob m. on Dec 15, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

VY v Kerry

We have a great team in the Titans. They exceeded our expectations for the season. However, even when we were winning all those games I did not expect this team to do well in the playoffs. I don’t think the comparison to the Ravens team that won the super bowl is right because the Ravens had a much better defense. We are suffering a lot of injuries and hopefully we can get well with a bye week. This team reminds me of the 2000 Chicago Bears that went 13-3 with Jim Miller; Even when they were winning all those games, I knew the Bears team would lose in the playoffs because of the inability for the offense to generate any points in the tough games. I think they did end up losing in the playoffs in the NFC.

I am not saying VY would suddenly change this team to Super bowl status but I do know that teams have started to figure out Kerry Collins and they will sell out to stop the run.

by memphizbell on Dec 15, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If you want to look at a different interpretation of the data

Check out Football Outsiders. They have VY 28th in DYAR for last year, and Collins is 14th this year.

There is a reason the backup qb is the most popular guy on the team.

Collins had one bad game. It happens to everyone. He’ll bounce back and be the consistent qb that the Titans’ offense is based around, a role that VY is not nearly as well-suited to fill.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

but it wasn't one bad game

It has been a bad month.

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nor is our

offense base around him

by Big Bad Bulluck on Dec 15, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify

I didn’t mean that the offense is based around Collins per se. I meant to say that the offense is structured a way that plays to his skillset, which is different from that of VY. I suppose you could bring VY back tinker under the hood to match his skillset, but it seems that’s not worth the effort with two games left in the regular season + playoffs.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Jimmy

but its too late now. We are too close to the playoffs and our next two opponents aren’t great teams to try and make the switch against. Plus Vince is a head case, what if we throw him in there and he gets beaten up all day? What would that do to his confidence? It really could make him worse, or I’m an idiot, thats possible.

by Shainoc on Dec 15, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Titans QBs

2008 Kerry Collins* Passing: 537DYAR (14th) 13.2DVOA (13th) Rushing: 13DYAR 18.6 DVOA
2008 Vince Young Passing: -107DYAR -76.0% DVOA Rushing: less than 6 attempts

2007 Kerry Collins Passing: 118DYAR 15.3DVOA Rushing: less than 6 attempts
2007 Vince Young Passing: 74DYAR (28th) -8.4 (31st) Rushing 9DYAR, -7.9%

2006 Kerry Collins Passing: -205DYAR -45.8% DVOA Rushing: less than 8 attempts
2006 Vince Young Passing: 99DYAR (24th) -6.9DVOA (25th) Rushing 58DYAR 3.1 DVOA

*=through 13 weeks, it won’t be updated for yesterday until tomorrow

With the exception of the stretch that got him benched and started VY’s career Kerry Collins has been way way way way way better than Young. Even Collins Meltdown wasn’t as bad as VYs, Collins just got a longer leash.

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6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You have to take sample size into consideration on those stats

I would love to see Collins’s career numbers in all of that mumbo-jumbo. (I call it mumbo-jumbo because I have no idea what most of it means)

People love the Football Outsiders stats. How many times has the #1 DVOA team won the Super Bowl? I am seriously asking because I have no idea.

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SB and DVOA Champs (with the current formula, they tweak it early offseason attempting to make it better fit the history)

2004 Pats
2002 Bucs
1999 Rams
1998 Broncos
1996 Packers

SB loser DVOA Champs
2007 Pats
2001 Rams

  1. DVOA SB Champs
    2000 Ravens
    1997 Broncos
    1995 Cowboys

Here are the off years
2007 Giants were 15th
2005 Steelers were 3rd
2003 Pats were 3rd
2001 Pats were 12th

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6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

.1 should read #2

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, you forgot a year

It was in Miami, in the rain…

by mgrex03 on Dec 15, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colts were 7th

Ravens were #1

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DVOA Champs

2007 Patriots (lost SB to #15)
2006 Ravens (lost divisional #7)
2005 Colts (lost wildcard to #3)
2004 Patriots (SB Champs)
2003 Cheifs (lost divisonal to #5)
2002 Bucs (SB champs)
2001 Rams (lost SB to #12)
2000 Titans (lost divisional to #2)
1999 Rams (SB champs)
1998 Broncos (SB champs)
1997 Chiefs (lost divisional to #2)
1996 Packers (SB champs)
1995 Niners (lost Divisional to #8)

So that’s 5 of 14 Champs, 7 of 14 SB appearances, and of the other 7, 4 lost to other DVOA top 5 teams

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I'm concerned

All of those numbers are in the past for Vince…

We won’t know how effective he will be till the next time he touches a football…
 
Fact Remains! Collins has Dinger this year. Vince had Chow=Bad

by Big Bad Bulluck on Dec 15, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if past performance doesn't predict future performance

then I say Antonio “Mookie” Johnson will be better than Albert Haynesworth from now until they retire.

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Doak Walker award winner
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6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 15, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

And, it’s all we have to go on. But, the fact that Chris Johnson is in the backfield and they have a new offensive coordinator certainly needs to be considered.

by SuperHorn on Dec 15, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on sample size

Which is why I think comparing 2007 VY with 2008 Kerry Collins is more appropriate.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents

Yesterday was a terrible performance from wire-to-wire (even the 2nd quarter heroics were against very soft coverage), but Kerry has earned enough this year to not be benched. If he craps the bed again this weekend, however, he’ll have squandered all of the good will he’s built up this year.

We also have to remember that as bad as Kerry was, we’d have won the game on most Sundays (if Bironas gets a shot at the FG).

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Dec 15, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

...makes me wonder

yesterday’s 4th and 3 would have been interesting with a scrambling QB like VY (used to be). a scrambling QB can be a life saver in those situations. but with that said i still feel more confident with a shakey Collins than I would have with a rested VY. even as gawd awful as we played yesterday, we were one field goal and a stop away from winning. but then again that was houston. play that crappy against ANY of the playoff contenders (even denver) and the score might have been triple digits.

by stetix01 on Dec 15, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with August

As much as I’d like to see VY start, it’s a HUGE gamble to give him the starting job; one that might divide the locker room. And considering the next two opponents, I don’t think there is a good time to bring him in.

It sends the wrong message, too. Vince had some terrible games last year, but Fisher wasn’t going to bench him and put in Kerry when the going got rough. Kerry’s won 12 games and deserves that same sort of respect.

It’s frustrating, because I think VY gives the team a better chance to win. And, while comparing stats does serve it’s purpose, an offense under Dinger with CJ in the backfield is vastly different than what Vince had to work with last year.

Here’s hoping Kerry can pull it together and give us a run in the playoffs.

Side note: I fear that we are about to find out exactly how valuable Haynesworth is to this team. I’ve said all season that he’s the best player in the NFL. If he’s out for the playoffs, it’s going to be a tough road for us…

by SuperHorn on Dec 15, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

when we have dominant defensive play

kerry is good enough to win games, because the other team scores 17 points or less. if we don’t have albert, that number might double.
in 2007, the titans allowed 15.5 points per game when albert played, and 32.3 points per game he didn’t play.
all this is to say, kerry collins alone cannot get this offense to score enough points to win games against good teams if our defense loses it’s most dominant force. it’s time to let vince make plays WITH HIS LEGS, and maybe a few throws, to open up the offense more

by hal41605 on Dec 15, 2008 12:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think what you are saying is

we only gave up 13 points yesterday. It seems like we should have won that game with me playing quarterback.

I just KNEW in that third quarter that we would see VY at some point yesterday. Even for just one series just to make the defense account for him. Just knew it.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

You throw like a girl

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

new poster

hello everyone ive been a fan of the blog for quite some time but have never posted before. this seems like a good time to do so. i dont know about everyone else but i think the titans always play their best when in this position. 5th in kings power rankings…put that up in the locker room and the titans will for sure come out much stronger than if they had squeaked this win out and remained one. as for albert. all early indications are that it is an injury he will be back from in time for the playoffs. obviously an mri could show otherwise but it appears we hopefully may have caught a break. assuming that he is in for the playoffs, i like the idea of going in considered overrated and not standing a chance. I think are prospects against pitt are not great but i still think the road to the superbowl will not be terrible with the two seed. pitt o line is attrotious and regardless of where a championship game is if we have albert back and kvb back our line will force turn overs. as for fischer. if he says its out of bironas range i think he should be believed. the guy has made a career out of eeking out close games. why would he abandon this plan now. suddenly hes become a gambler? i dont buy it and thats why i truly think if he could have kicked the field goal he would have. with a near top ranked defense and kicker, it makes no sense for fischer not to kick unless he truly knew bironas couldnt make it. and lastly as for vince. we have gotten to 12-2 with collins. yes he had an off day. but he deserves and should remain the quarterback. our future is bright with vince next year. this year will be a good experience for him. but its to risky to shake things up this late. the grass is always greener on the other side and vince just looks good after a bad KC week or month as jimmy says. kc still is an experienced vet with a solid arm. the timing has been slightly off but he still can stand in there and do what we need. some of the interceptions he has thrown of late have been tipped balls and other throws that i wouldnt classify as horrible pics. i still think our best chance to win is by getting back to the run and letting him getting high percentage passes off to scaife and crumpler. it seems recently the offense has gone into a pass long mentality. im not so sure this is collins fault buy probably dingers. collins isnt amazing and our recievers arent great so it doesnt seem like a great combination. if collins gets back to handing off or dropping back and dumping it off to CJ or throwing them over the middle to tight ends, i think well be fine. we just need to get back into the samy style we had in the beginning of the year. it wasnt ugly but it was consistant and won us games. in any event i think now is not the time to jump ship. there will be a playoff game in nashville and with crazy fans in the building and a loud atmosphere, a win could send us wherever for a win and were in to the superbowl situation. were in a great place and we should embrace this overrated mentality because thats when titans have historically kicked ass. lets hope alberts mri brings us some good news.

by nytitan on Dec 15, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the Blog

Glad you decided to post!

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Vince Young

If Collins sucks again in the 1st half of the Steelers game, I want Vince Young to come in. Although I think that’s not gonna happen.

I still can’t figure out why Fisher didn’t go for the FG. Maybe his philosophy has changed a bit. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if VY plays in the Steelers game.

I’m not concerned though if we go in limping to the playoffs. We have a bye week anyway. That will be enough time for KVB and Big Al to heal up.

Go Titans!

by Pinoy Titan on Dec 15, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

even if he just sucked a little yesterday we would have won!

by stetix01 on Dec 15, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I hate to say it......

I think Collins should remain the starter. I’m a big fan of maintaining team chemistry, but I also think VY should have played yesterday. If a player sucks as bad as Collins sucked yesterday, they should be benched.

WIth the exception 2 or 3 games, I think Collins has played poor to mediocre. I’m not saying VY would have been better, but Collins has been bad.

Everyone knows how I feel about Vince, so my going any further is rather pointless.

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by Hook em Titans on Dec 15, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I should specify......

Collins should have been benched for the game yesterday. Not for the season. A swift kick to the butt can be a useful thing.

Big Bill "You never lose a game if the opponent doesn't score." Darell K. Royal

by Hook em Titans on Dec 15, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly what I meant

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by Jimmy on Dec 15, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You actually make a good point

I think the debate over whether or not Kerry will be the starter next year is officially over.

He might want to rethink the whole “I don’t want to go back to being a backup” thing if he wants a job anywhere.

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Think of him as a relief pitcher...

Kerry Collins has been great this year at playing at a fairly steady level so that the Titans win the games they are supposed to win, thus the “game manager” title. That is why we have an 11-2 record (+ some lucky breaks). We have a solid team this year (- receivers).

However, I have seen nothing from him in his career that he can elevate the play of his team. IOW, if he’s in a situation the team should lose, they’ll lose. When we’re in the playoffs, is there any doubt we’ll face a team that shuts down our run game enough that Collins is forced to carry the team on his back?

What we have waiting on the bench is a fresh & hopefully motivated, unique talent. I was as discouraged as anyone by his actions the first game of the season. But everything about his career leading up to that point that I admired is the EXACT opposite of what he showed that first game.

If he has taken this lesson to heart and understands who he must be again: HE IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

Previous posters are right that the proper time was half time or start of the fourth yesterday. Any time though is better than not at all.

An 11-2 record won’t mean squat when we’re outgunned in the playoffs. We need a QB who can face 8 or 9 in the box and single coverage on the outside and RUN LIKE THE WIND for 5,8,or 20 yards to make the D stay honest and let Smash & Dash do their thing.

Anyone who’s watched VY over the years knows he saves most of his running for later in the season and when it is needed the most… AKA now and the playoffs. He is perfectly healthy and ready to finish our promising season.

Just my two cents…

Troll out

by T the D on Dec 15, 2008 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

12-2

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

except that we stopped letting him run. not everyone is or should be a pocket passer.

by stetix01 on Dec 15, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I will just say this:

I only want KC if he can do something that VY cannot do, hit open WRs downfield. If he cannot do that, then VY is the clearly better option because he offers more abilities in the short-passing and running games.

DannoE

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Go Titans!

by DannoE on Dec 15, 2008 2:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That is very well said.

Big Bill "You never lose a game if the opponent doesn't score." Darell K. Royal

by Hook em Titans on Dec 15, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Concur.

Collins the way he played yesterday is a downgrade from VY.

As long as Justin McCareins is a Titan, I will hate Music City Miracles!

by gramsey712 on Dec 15, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

I would also agree if you flip that too. VY wasn’t using his legs as much towards the end of last season. He did have some nice runs in the preseason though, so I really don’t know what he would’ve been like this season. Also, I might be wrong, but is VY very accurate on short passes? It’s obvious he helps the run game though.

by jayosanne on Dec 15, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant using his legs to by time not just run.

by jayosanne on Dec 15, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

and VY would be healthy now, which he wasn’t the last half of 2007.

Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.

by August West on Dec 15, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I say

we go with Kerry this week… For the whole game regardless of how he plays.

If he is ineffective again, we replace him with Vince the following week, let him get the starting nod against Indy.

Give Kerry the week off… If Vince is good he stays starter, if not go back to Kerry for the playoffs.

Sounds ridiculous, but Kerry can handle it. He’s a pro’s pro.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Dec 15, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I don’t think we need to lose our minds over this.

First of all, coach needs to sit McCairens. Just give up on the guy; he can’t make plays, and his hands might as well be frying pans.

Bulluck needs to take Feisty Finnegan and knock some sense into him. His little “in your face” routine is too over-the-top, and his aggressiveness cost us dearly yesterday.

Kerry Collins is entitled to a bad day. The team is committed to a given path and the correct move is to see it through to its conclusion. Fortunately, Kerry has lots of big game experience. We’re in bed with this guy, so let’s be supportive. If he fails, then he fails. He’s earned some patience and respect from us.

by BeansCarter on Dec 15, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

About Finnegan, yes he made some bonehead plays yesterday but he’s more than made up for it over the course of the season.

I wouldn’t mess with his playing style one bit. Now if he starts doing it every game…

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really

losing my mind… I don’t think anyone is. I think we are just exploring ideas and options. Its not as though we make the call on Sunday.

If I remember correctly during the off-season and correct me if I’m wrong you were kinda losing your mind over some of the moves that were happening, and you weren’t very optimistic to say the least. Lol

McCairens does need to sit. He sucks!

I do think Finnegan is over the top… I don’t mind aggressiveness, but I don’t like the way a WR will go down in a lot of cases and he leads with the crown of his helmet into their back. Its like he’s trying to inflict punishment for something that happened to him when he was a teen. Time to grow up, there are clean ways to make a point and a tackle for that matter.

Collins is entitled to have a bad day. 2 or 3 of them may cost us a ring.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Dec 15, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fischer monday press conf.

haynseworth should be ready for playoffs. sprained mcl. expects him to be ready.

by nytitan on Dec 15, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is the time to do it.

With KVB and Fat Albert shut down for the year, the coaching staff could realistically make this change under the pretense of “resting starters for the playoffs.”

Start VY, start Hawkins at WR, activate Chris Henry and give him some in-game carries to determine whether or not he’s going to have a job next year, and write the next 2 weeks off.

I don’t think it’s going to happen, but that’s what I would do if I were head coach.

by hartley on Dec 15, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

now this makes good sense. truly.

by stetix01 on Dec 15, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Start Vince Young - Signed Pittsburgh Steelers

I’m not a Titans fan, I’m an impartial observer, so I’m a little surprised to read these responses. I live here in Memphis, and as y’all know, we have Titans games every week, so I have to watch them (don’t have Sunday Ticket). In 2007 they went to the playoffs in SPITE of Vince Young, not because of him. A better qb, and I think last year’s team could have made a deeper playoff run.
Obviously Collins is not a long term solution, and Young is, but changing on your twelve win quarterback now just because you lost to a team you normally dominate is a knee-jerk reaction at best. Whatcha gonna do if you put Young in against Pittsburgh, he throws two picks and fumbles in the red zone (Young is turnover prone-this is most likely to happen, especially since he’s been riding pine since week 1)? Complain that Chris SImms should get the ball?
My team is the Rams, and my team sucks. So I’ve actually enjoyed watching a talented team like the Titans this year. Yeah, Kerry Collins is as boring as shit. And yeah, he can’t win the game by himself. But I can guarantee this – you put Vince Young in, and I know that he’ll LOSE you the Pittsburgh game by himself -and you’ll kiss off home field advantage, and the Super Bowl. Cause you ain’t gonna take out this Steelers team in Heinz Field in January.
Stick with Collins on Sunday, win the damn ball game, and get your home field.

"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai

by brik on Dec 15, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A True Memphian

I remember having only St Louis to root for.

Leave the dark side, embrace the Titans!

=)

by Rustmeister on Dec 15, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dark Side Won't Leave Me

Unfortunately, my brother-in-law works in the Rams front office (ticket sales) – has since they moved to Missouri in 1995. So I’m kinda “required” to be a Rams fan. But, it’s not hard, I’ve been with the team through thick and thin (mostly thin) for thirteen years now…it’s too late for me. Save yourselves!!!

"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai

by brik on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

et tu jimmy

You are exploring the idea of VY :-)

I have to admit there have been several times the past couple of weeks that I think that it would be nice to see what young would do. He is definitely a different kind of weapon and we are a different kind of team with him. I have read through all 80 posts and I agree with what a lot of you fellow Titans fans have said. i think Dannoe said it best we he said “only want KC if he can do something that VY cannot do, hit open WRs downfield. If he cannot do that, then VY is the clearly better option”.

However….the thought of Fisher going with Young would be like 1999 when the Bills went with Rob Johnson over Doug Flutie. Flutie had started for a while and I believe Johnson just played the last game of the regular season (maybe an injury to Flutie). Anyway, Johnson got the nod amidst much controversy. Johnson went out and played a great game in the playoffs and pretty much kept the critics of Wade Phillips’ back. The Bills lost that game, something like a homerun throwback or something like that :) Anyway, that move worked out for the Bills…I just don’t see fisher being that ballsy. It would be like going for it on 4th and short instead of trying a FG. Fisher just doesn’t do that….er…. On that topic, I still don’t blame Fisher for the loss. I was shocked and wish they had attemped a FG, but we win with Fish, we lose with Fish. What I really didn’t like was the play call. I’m not a fan on throwing deep on 3rd or 4th and short…it worked at Jax, but I just don’t like it.

Anyway, as much as I would like to see VY play a little, I just don’t think it’s the best idea. Stick with Collins. Like has been said above, who would of thought we would be 12-2? I would love to beat Pitt and get homefield advantage throughout….but honestly… a semifinal game against the Colts scares me to death. The number 2 seed may be the best thing. But who knows. Keep believing friends, we can do something special!

by gotitans27 on Dec 15, 2008 8:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

Well said sir!

by theologic on Dec 15, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, it is VY time

not immediately….

but if collins struggles and we need a spark, but VY in and see what happens…

by zackmann on Dec 15, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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