he doesn’t light it up, be he makes great third down throws to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field. he runs when he needs to and generally throws a good ball. remember, our receivers don’t get the best seperation….

He’s not perfect, and winning isn’t everything…..but he has come in to a very tough situation and handled it wonderfully. He has to know that every time he struggles that people start thinking about number 10 on the sideline, but he has pulled us through. Today was not a good day for Collins. However I don’t think we win Monday if he didn’t have the game he had.

I am like everyone else and am anxious to see what happens when VY plays again, but for right now…Collins has led us to this 8-0 record. I’m a teacher and I would give him a definite A :-)

I think still 8-0 some games closer some games we win by more.

our receivers are among the worst in the league, you have to give him credit for doing a decent job with crummy tools.
with that said, it is past time for us to put in a vy package. he could be an amazing receiving TE out of the slot. a few direct snaps, a few passes, and suddenly our offense becomes a lot less vanilla. kerry has totally earned the starters spot, but VY is a special athlete. his size and speed are freakish. they HAVE to use him! it’s stupid to waste him.

nice description of “F”.

Out of curiosity, does any site (football outsiders, etc) measure the time qbs hold the ball?

I think we’d have not only a few more interceptions with vince, but also a few more sacks. I doubt we’d be 8-0 with vince, but of course it’s an impossible debate to win one way or the other.

VY is definitely more exciting to watch (sometimes in a bad way). I’m rooting for him to take the field again, but not as the starter anytime soon. We have the luxury of being able to take some pressure off of Vince and let him mature / learn for awhile.

I’ve liked his play for most of the year, but yesterday I thought he stunk up the joint. In fact, if they’d lost the game without giving VY a chance to spark the Offense in the 4th QTR, I’d have been really pissed off. Because Green Bay was playing to stop the run and blanket the WRs. With a good secondary (and crappy TN receivers), they had little trouble doing that. Indeed, the only through that worked all day was that come-back, hook route, and then only because the WRs were already blanketed and not getting seperation.

My point is that VY would have played a better game yesterday. That’s not true EVERY game, but yesterday, he would have killed those guys with roll-out running. Hell, even KC ran for a 1st, and he probably could have run it more.

I still like Collins, and I think the fact that he doesn’t turn it over is a big positive. But he threw two very bad near-picks yesterday, and he was never actively good. Bottom line, I think we might have seen the upper limit of his potential now, and that’s not a good thing at all. And until we can get The Hawk in there to stretch the field and/or get Justin Gage to make at least one catch out of every three balls thrown his way, this passing game is gonna struggle big time.

     I agree strongly SuperH, and I feel as though Kerry reminds me alot of Chris Chandler, but better. I have said this once before, and would like to see some back-up ideas and/or plans for when Kerry can’t clutch it. Opportunities to go deep in playoffs, Brady out all year, and weak div. you play in may never present itself again like right now. Thank you Kerry, I hope you wear a wrinkled collared shirt at the Super Bowl party.