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Vince Young Still Doesn't Get It

Yesterday August posted a chat that Vince Young had with Paul Kuharsky.  Vince seemed to have finally gotten how to deal with the media.  In the words of Lee Corso, "Not so fast my friend."

Star-divide

This morning we see a story on NBCsports.com where Vince completely went backwards in his handling the media phase of "getting it."  Let's take a look at a few of the statements made by Vince:

“They’re writing my story. I’m a great guy, a great humble guy."

What does that even mean.  I am humble, but I am great.

Asked about concern over his mental welfare, Young said Wednesday, “I don’t want to talk about that,” then added, “That’s something else the media made people think like that. I know who I am, everyone knows who I am as a person. They know good and well, I ain’t trying to commit suicide or all that kind of crap. It was just a story everybody wanted to write. It was hot and everybody need to make their money, feed their viewers. I always get the bad end but I just brush that off and use that as motivation for myself.”

Vince has got to stop blaming the media for everything.  That story wasn't made up by the media.  His people and Jeff Fisher are the ones who conveyed that to the media.  Fisher has been around long enough to know the storm that was going to come with using those words, and there is absolutely no way he would just throw them around for no reason.

Young, the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year and a Pro Bowler in 2006, was asked about reports that he hadn’t sought out Collins’ counsel.

“That’s why I don’t like messing with the media,” Young bristled. “They’re always flipping and always trying to make me look bad. [Collins] and me, we talk all the time. All the time. For anything. Not just football but off the field things, business-wise, accounts. All kinds of stuff.”

Again, not made up by the media.  Collins himself said that Vince had not saught his council.

The first step in getting it is taking accountability for your actions.  Steve McNair, who Vince calls Pops, is a great example of a guy that took all kinds of heat threw the media but never blamed the media for anything.  McNair went out and made plays, and in games where he didn't play well he stood at the podium and took the heat.  If Vince truly wants to be the leader of this franchise, he is going to have to learn to do that.

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maybe he meant

“a man of great humility?” who knows – I think we’re missing the VY decoder ring.

If the Titans were a team without a strong coaching staff, this stuff would worry me a lot more. As it is, I feel pretty comfortable that FIsh and company will deal with the conundrum that is VY well one way or the other.

by numbertenox on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if I can agree with you on this

If this were just an issue with his on field play then I think could agree with you about how he should handle the media. It would be one thing if the reports were about how he was a horrible qb, not ever gonna make in the league, etc. With this whole suicide thing its a completely different ballgame especially the way it blew up around the country. I myself would probably be a tad bit defensive about this as well. As far as him on the football field and learning from Collins I agree with you there

by b3tts32 on Oct 16, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I’d be defensive too. I don’t even like the people I have to deal with on a daily basis at work. I couldn’t imagine having to deal with the media. Not saying he shouldn’t do better. He should probably stop saying what is on his mind.

by theologic on Oct 16, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're analyzing this way too much

Vince is not a great speaker. All he’s saying is that he’s not a terrible guy that is out to destroy his team, like some people have tried to make him out to be.

Furthermore, while VY shouldn’t resort to simply blaming the media, there’s absolutely not question that the media blew the whole thing out of proportion, really to an embarrassing degree. They found the guy at McNair’s house watching football and eating chicken wings. Let’s all flip out now. If the media enjoys criticizing, they must be willing to take it as well, and it’s totally Vince’s right to call them out on sensationalizing a story.

by TheElusiveShadow on Oct 16, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Can we PLEASE drop the suicide story? Vince said it was NOT true, that’s enough for me. The police report was a fourth person account which was completely blown out of proportion by the media. And Collins said he hadn’t heard from Vince the day after the big blowout. Vince said yesterday that he’s even sought Collins advice on money matters as well.

I am SO tired of the crap Vince has been getting. The guy was demoted from starting QB and has handled it by any reasonable standard with grace and humility. He himself has stated that when “the boss” wants him to play he will play.

My favorite part is the way he states that he’s learned a lot since all of this went down, and was very adamant about saying “when I do get a chance to be back on that football field, it’s going to be a whole other Vince Young.”

How great is it that we have TWO awesome QB’s?

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

blame

as long as he owns up to his play on the field, i think vince can hate on the media all he wants. lord knows they can suck and usually do

by EliCash on Oct 16, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vince should take some time this summer to really learn to talk to the media.

Hint: tell them only what they can see for themselves.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!

by DannoE on Oct 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Young is covering up some of the things that happened and is putting the

best spin possible on it. I do beleive he did speak of suicide that evening but really truly never meant it. It was just that things were going so badly for him that he thought that suicide would be his best way out of it. I SERIOUSLY don’t think he would ever do that though.
 Have you noticed how his comments sound so much like the words his Mom uses regarding the media. It nearly sounds identical. I would like to hear him step up to the plate and admit that he needs to work on things
"They’re writing my story. I’m a great guy, a great humble guy."
That is a puzzling statement. I don’t see the humility in it at all.
       I also don’t understand him bringing his race into it either. Race has nothing to do with his ability to either be a great qb or not be one. Should Brady say I am a strong white man. How weird would that sound?
   Do I want him to get over his mental issues and not feel like the whole world is against him, OF COURSE. Do I want him to return as the starting QB for the Titans? I am not ready for that, especially after the way he reacted in the first game of the season and his inability to accept responsiblity for his actions or to apologize for his behavior. This latest story completely calls out the media, which I don’t think is fair and does not reveal anything really new about Vince Young. From all accounts, it sounds like he did use the word sucide. I just don’t feel like he has really changed who he is inside yet. I don’t think he is a bad person, just a confused athlete that has lived the good life on the field for so long that doesnt know how to respond when things go sour.. I don’t feel he is emotionally ready to lead the team right now, but I think he will turn the corner at some point , he has to decide when that is.

by Joy Kat on Oct 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever Joy Kat

Vince said SPECIFICALLY that the suicide stuff was garbage. You either believe him or the fourth person version from the media.

Vince admitted he learned a lot from this episode and I have full faith that when Fisher thinks it’s the best time for Vince to go in and play then it will be the best time for Vince to go in and play.

Stop with the psychoanalyzing.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I agree with you either Jimmy

In my opinion Vince needs a speech coach or a PR guy. He doesn’t say the right things, or at least he doesn’t say it in the right way. He probably thought he was doing the right thing by talking to the media and after this he will feel he’s right not to say anything.

Great humble guy? I think Vince tripped over this. He said he was a great guy, then thought that didn’t sound right and said he was a great humble guy. I guess you could parse this down and figure he meant “nice” or “good” instead of “Alexander the Great” type of reference. But I haven’t heard the audio, so who knows?

The mental state issue was very much a product of the media. As was referenced a few days ago, even the ESPN omsbudsman agreed that the story was blown out of context, prompted by a poorly written police report. The Tennessean reporting staff didn’t help much in that regard either.

As far as talking to Collins, this was suggested by Biddle of the Tennessean and I think it was followed up by Paul K. and Jim Wyatt. These reporters suggested Vince seek counsel from KC because KC had been down that road. Let’s imagine…

Vince: Hey, 5 – I’m all confused and upset. How did you handle the pressure and all that when you went through it?
KC: I started drinking and ruined my career, had to bounce around the league for a few years and got into a racial insult incident with my team-mates. But hey, you can do it your own way and I’ll just talk about my comeback potential as a starter.
Vince: Thanks, that puts it all in perspective.

Really, what does KC have to gain by helping VY regain his starting status? Why would VY talk to the guy that replaced him as the leader of the team asking for personal advice? Is VY pissed at the situation? (Because I would be.) Vince throws an interception. According to the Titans and VY, he didn’t refuse to go back into the game. But the media disagrees. He hurts his knee right afterwards and KC comes in and plays sufficiently enough to win games. Fisher avoids QB controversy by sticking with a winning situation. VY is now sitting on the bench with everyone saying he is a quitter and mentally unstable. I wouldn’t want to talk to the press, either.
Sorry, I got on a roll.

I know Victoria's Secret

by FaninEcuador on Oct 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that.

And I think Vince makes it worse every time by trying to be forthright. It’s like he thinks that if he can just tell the whole story his way, then FINALLY people will understand.

But the truth is that they’re NEVER gonna understand, that it isn’t their job to understand, and that it is their job to sensationalize everything in order to sell more newspapers.

I’m telling you: tell them only what they can already see right in front of their own faces. Stick to the obvious, and you’ll never go wrong.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!

by DannoE on Oct 16, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince agrees with you Danno
It was just a story everybody wanted to write. It was hot and everybody need to make their money, feed their viewers.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's frustrating.

And, y’know, they actually have schools for this. He and his mom BOTH need to go.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!

by DannoE on Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:
Vince has got to stop blaming the media for everything. That story wasn’t made up by the media. His people and Jeff Fisher are the ones who conveyed that to the media. Fisher has been around long enough to know the storm that was going to come with using those words, and there is absolutely no way he would just throw them around for no reason.

Link please. The way this reads, it sounds like Vince is constantly blaming the media for his pitfalls. I have maybe heard him complain about the media once. Would you provide me with some more links to substantiate this claim?

I read this article earlier this morning and the only thing I took from it was that Vince needs some more coaching when it comes to addressing the media. His dialect is terrible, which is why I think it is a mistake to confuse his first comment as anything more than poor grammar.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Read the article
That’s something else the media made people think like that
"That’s why I don’t like messing with the media," Young bristled. "They’re always flipping and always trying to make me look bad.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But surely you can see why he would think that. Right?

I mean, I think the guy might well be done in the NFL, and I STILL think he probably has a right to be upset about the way this stuff was covered.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!

by DannoE on Oct 16, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think

it is time for him to stop saying that crap. Prove something on the field and the media will take care of itself.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Like go win Rookie of the Year or something.

Or take an 0-5 garbage team within one game of making the playoffs.

 Yeah, I mean COME ON VINCE.

Oh wait.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but that's been 2 years ago

and we’re way past that at this point. I just think the off field stuff should be separated even though it likely never will be.

by b3tts32 on Oct 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in 1996

but I don’t want him on my team now. The ROY thing is great, but he can’t live off of that forever.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 years ago

and 12 years ago are two very different things.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once teams had a chance to figure out

what he was doing to be successful they made adjustments to stop him. He hasn’t yet adjusted to their adjustments. That is what it is all about.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Jimmy

You act like Vince has never proven himself on the field and two years ago he was ROY. We all know what the guy is capable of, and I don’t understand why everyone seems to forget that.

This situation with Vince I believe will ultimately benefit him as he now knows what the reality is in the NFL when it comes to the press. And overcoming adversity is what separates the good from the great.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he can't do

I am just saying he had 1 really good season, 1 really bad season, and 1 bad game in the next season. Prove to me you can make the adjustments. I don’t think that is being unreasonable.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he needs to make the adjustments.

In fact, I think that this may the best thing that could have happened to him from a career perspective because he now realizes that he can’t be the Rose Bowl VY anymore, and has to be the NFL make-adjustments-when-the-defense-takes-away-your-running-lanes VY from now on.

I’m sure we both agree that ultimately this could be what helps him turn the corner.

And I think we both agree that Fisher is the right coach for this situation who will ultimately make the best decision for the team as a whole.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

except for the fact that both things are in the past

we’re in the now, now.

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But when was then?

Is now, then? Or then is now?

Ludicrous speed!

by gramsey712 on Oct 16, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sir, The radar appears to be... jammed...

Raspberry!

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's where the problem lies..

He needs to play well so the suicide talk will stop?

by b3tts32 on Oct 16, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy

Maybe you misunderstood me. But the way I read your statement, “Vince has got to stop blaming the media for everything,” it sounds like you think he makes a habit of doing this all the time. I don’t think that is the case. Can you show me other instances that lead you to this conclusion?

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He told a reporter

he thought about quitting football and then said the media took him out of context.

He has blamed the media for the suicide thing over and over, and no, I don’t believe him when he says he never mentioned it. Why would it be in the police report? Fisher is great with the media and he knew what saying those words would do. You can believe VY if you want too. I don’t.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it.

You believe a fourth party report from the media that even Jeff Fisher said was taken out of context, yet when Vince comes out AND DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THE ISSUE you won’t believe him.

I don’t get it.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
Vince Lombardi

by TmanInTn on Oct 16, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Telling the media

they took something out of context is different than the blame he’s dishing out above. I think what he’s saying above is deserved. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand, and I’d be pointing a finger too.

Vince has come out and talked only a handful of times since the “incident.” And, only once that I can remember (the first time he talked) did he “blame the media”, though I would characterize that interview as just setting the facts straight. He didn’t blame the media “over and over” for this. I think you are drawing conclusions about things that didn’t happen. Maybe I’m wrong, but can you please provide some sort of proof to substantiate your claim that he’s “blamed the media for the suicide thing over and over?”

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first time he talked about it

and in the article above. How many times has he talked to the media since it happened? I think just those 2 times. 2-2.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

Saying something twice is “over and over.” And, since he said it twice, it’s “bush-league.” Rubbish.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is it not over and over

First that is 2 overs for 2 times he has spoken to the media.

Let me put it this way, he has blamed the media every time he has talked to them since it happened.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes more sense

“Over and over” indicates to me that he has a history of blaming the media over the entire course of his career.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't really matter if the media is really at fault

saying it over and over again is just bush-league and shows a lack of leadership

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he went back to school last year

Why didn’t someone advise him to take an advance public speaking course….??

by TrenchantTitan on Oct 16, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

vince needs to pull a belichik and keep it simple and boring

obviously hes not a great public speaker, and obviously he isn’t voicing his thoughts well. he probably means something different that what he is saying and it comes across weird.
with that in mind he should just answer questions simply. don’t keep adding all this off the cuff crap that just confuses everybody.
This is how the interview should have gone:
Asked about concern over his mental welfare, Young said Wednesday, "I don’t want to talk about that," then added, "That’s something else the media made people think like that. I know who I am, everyone knows who I am as a person. They know good and well, I ain’t trying to commit suicide or all that kind of crap. It was just a story everybody wanted to write. It was hot and everybody need to make their money, feed their viewers. I always get the bad end but I just brush that off and use that as motivation for myself."
Young, the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year and a Pro Bowler in 2006, was asked about reports that he hadn’t sought out Collins’ counsel.

"That’s why I don’t like messing with the media," Young bristled. "They’re always flipping and always trying to make me look bad. [Collins] and me, we talk all the time. All the time. For anything. Not just football but off the field things, business-wise, accounts. All kinds of stuff."

by rolypoly32 on Oct 16, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe the Plumber has got to be a happy guy today because of the media

Just thought I would throw that in there to talk about something else.

by Joy Kat on Oct 16, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vince needs to prove himself on the field!

Oh, wait. He did in 2006 and 2007. We did make it to the playoffs last year. I would have hoped the INTS would have dropped, but he did throw two in the only game he played this year. Collins threw two in one game as well.

But he can’t very well prove himself if he’s sitting on the bench.
I just wish he could express himself clearly and without stepping in poop. I gott give Peyton Manning props for this. He seems to always say the right thing. Maybe instead of game film, VY could watch interview film of Manning!

I know Victoria's Secret

by FaninEcuador on Oct 16, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Manning has blundered before, by throwing his O line under the bus. It doesn't happen very

often though. Manning is a very bright guy and usually knows how to handle tough situations. he speaks eloquently and articulately. David Garard is another guy that is very impressive with the media. He even dresses nicely !

by Joy Kat on Oct 16, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Like blaming his offensive line! At least VY isn’t pointing the finger at his teammates.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Collins threw two in one game as well"

and he didn’t pout abut it for even a second. That’s why he’s starting.

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or he's starting

because our starter was injured and he came in and won 4 games. Best guess, it has A LOT more to do with that than “pouting.”

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince didn't prove anything

last season. The team carried him to the playoffs.

Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Oct 16, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the knee was a convenient excuse....

but it ain’t the reason Fisher has told VY, Kerry and the team that Kerry is the starter for the rest of the year unless something terrible happens (and he said so after 1 game with KC under the helm).

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's taking things out of context

After one game, he said Kerry is the starter as long as he is playing well and winning. That is very different from saying he’s the starter unless something terrible happens.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link

Here.

“As long as we’re winning, Kerry [Collins] is our quarterback”

“We’re going to get Vince back and get his knee back and work with him getting back involved in the offense, but Kerry’s going to go ahead and play for us until he struggles or whatever else happens. You saw by the way he played and just in light of everything, it just makes sense to go with this.”

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're parsing words now...

so you’d accept bad, but not terrible in my last statement?

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I’d accept, "Fisher has told VY, Kerry and the team that Kerry is the starter for the rest of the year " as long as he is winning and/or doesn’t play terrible. You didn’t include winning in your requirements.

It sounds ticky-tacky, but what I’m getting at is that you are reading too much into what happened. At the time he made that statement, Vince was still hurt. Fisher made the right decision to get behind the current starting quarterback.

It’s not worth arguing over, because we can’t draw any conclusions IMO unless Kerry has a bad game in a loss. Then we’ll know where Fisher’s faith lies, but hopefully it never comes to that.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You didn’t include winning in your requirements."

I assumed most people understood that losing, injury or gross misconduct are just about the only ‘terrible’ things in football…

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't worth splitting hairs over

I guess what I’m saying is that I would characterize a string of losses as terrible. But, the way Fisher left it, it’s conceivable that Kerry could lose one game and Vince takes the reigns.

This doesn’t warrant further discussion.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly..

just come out and own it, even if it isn’t your deal. It shuts everybody up and makes you look good.

I’m not asking him to believe it, just effing say ‘that one is on me’ a little more…

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I'm taking of all of this

1. Vince is pissed
2. Vince plays well when pissed off
3. Based on Fisher and Vince’s comments, I would guess Vince will see the field soon in some “special package.”

If you guys think things are bad now, just wait for the $#%* storm that comes if/when Vince comes in for a limited number of snaps and excels. It will divide the fanbase.

by SuperHorn on Oct 16, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just remembered the whole "stupid kicker" comment as well.

Yes, Vince does pout on the sidelines and I detest it.
No, he’s not the only QB that has lost control on the sideline.
Maybe Vince should take the blame more in post game media events.

But he is so bad at talking with the press that he would still look bad.

I’ve said that he needs a public speaking coach, but then again, last year I thought Pacman needed a security guard to keep him out of trouble. Look how great (as in good, not Alexander the Great) that turned out!

I know Victoria's Secret

by FaninEcuador on Oct 16, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is pretty sad...

 s…omeone can hold a 4yr degree and not even be able to speak in complete sentences.

by JasonI on Oct 16, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're a football god in Texas

you can win a Pulitzer without even writing a book, I swear.

Michael Roos doesn't eat pitas because NOTHING BREAKS THE POCKET ON HIS WATCH!!!

by August West on Oct 16, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say the same for...

Tennessee or any other state. It just so happens that most of the football gods come from The Lone Star State and play at THE UT.

Big Bill "You never lose a game if the opponent doesn't score." Darell K. Royal

by Hook em Titans on Oct 17, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree either. Here's how I analyze it....

I don’t agree either. Here’s how I analyze it….

"They’re writing my story. I’m a great guy, a great humble guy."
-I don’t think he was talking about how he sees himself, but how he feels like a lot of others feels about him- but I don’t know about that one either..

Asked about concern over his mental welfare, Young said Wednesday, "I don’t want to talk about that," then added, "That’s something else the media made people think like that. I know who I am, everyone knows who I am as a person. They know good and well, I ain’t trying to commit suicide or all that kind of crap. It was just a story everybody wanted to write. It was hot and everybody need to make their money, feed their viewers. I always get the bad end but I just brush that off and use that as motivation for myself."

Yeah, I think Vince needs to explain and take more responsibility, but I think the Media does put more into it than they should, of course “Starting QB tries to commit suicide” sounds a lot better than…“QB has rough night and gets mad”, Yeah, I agree Young might have some emotional issues (something I’m sure no one would want to talk about), but I seriously doubt he was really suicidial. If he was to so much as mention the word out of context then of course the papers are going to print the worst.

Young, the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year and a Pro Bowler in 2006, was asked about reports that he hadn’t sought out Collins’ counsel.

"That’s why I don’t like messing with the media," Young bristled. "They’re always flipping and always trying to make me look bad. [Collins] and me, we talk all the time. All the time. For anything. Not just football but off the field things, business-wise, accounts. All kinds of stuff."

- Okay, maybe Young didn’t talk much to collins at first,maybe collins was talking about Young not talking much about loosing his starting job…maybe not, but I don’t believe
They would be on the same team this long and just not talk about anything…

Now I agree Young needs to watch what he says better, but don’t over analyze this. And I think that’s all Young’s trying to say. Yeah, there was some problems, but don’t worry about me, I’ll be fine. I’m not holding a grudge. That’s all I’m getting.

by jmac1383 on Oct 17, 2008 1:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fact's

I deal in Facts

Fact:
Coach Fisher called the cops out of fear for Vince

Fact:
Vince Youngs mother pleds through the media that Vince needs help

Fact:
Bullock made reference to Quiting after Vince Young side line “issue”

Fact:
Vince young isn’t starting – Why? Because Collins plays better? Most would argue that Collins numbers are NOT any better then Vince Young’s

Take what you want out of those facts.. But you will be fooling yourself to believe that VY doesn’t have a problem.

I’m even willing to go as far as saying he’s mad about not playing. I’m also willing to say this.. I hope that Collins doesn’t get hurt.. Because if VY has to play in several games our season can be over because I feel he has lost the locker room and not one player respects him as a football player..

NOW! We could use VY in a wildcat formation.. because what he does have and doesn’t have to work at is that he is very athletic and can run

by white02slpss on Oct 17, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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