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My Initial Case for Bringing Back Pacman Jones

Update [2008-1-8 9:3:46 by Jimmy]: This was originally posted by Zack in the diaries, but I figured I would put it here so everyone would see it and chime in. The season is over, so I am ok with us talking about this for a little bit. He is still a part of this organization. I will give my thoughts in the comments. (Make sure you click the read more link to see his whole argument)

First, I would like to start with what I feel was the best quote after our disappointing loss last night:

"When you go to the playoffs in a rebuilding year, that's actually a good thing.
--DannoE

I agree.  This was a rebuilding year, we went to the playoffs against the odds.  Then when nobody gave us a chance against the Chargers (not even within a 3 TD's of a chance), we played a heck of a game and had a shot to win it.  But we didn't and now we have to move on to next year.

For the next 9 months or so, this site will be devoted to the offseason.  And unfortunately, our offseason may again be dominated by #32.  Will we or won't we bring him back?  

Here I make my initial case for bringing him back.

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Reason #1 - To Improve Our Return Game

By the end of the year, the lack of return game moved into my top reason why this team was under performing despite a strong defense.  I can't remember the last time we returned a kick past the 25?  Yes, just the 25.  When was the last time we ran it to midfield?  And our punt returns might have been even worse.  Forgetting about those 5 fumbles Chris Davis had, we could hardly advance the ball a single yard at all.  And the lack of a return threat, caused punters to choose to out punt the coverage and give rise to the possibility we would get backed up.  

If there was one thing everyone should have learned this year, it is that the Titan offense can not sustain a long and successful drive when starting inside our own 10 yard line.

I just went back and watched a youtube clip of all of Pacman's good returns.  He was insane.  Almost impossible to tackle.  Better than Hester, IMO.  Give him a little crease, and he is gone.

The Titans are not going to magically turn into the Patriots and score 45 a game.  Instead we will again be a "keep it close until the end" type of team.  When that happens, the team must be able to get a late FG attempt.  Enter Pacman.  When a team just scores to tie it up or take the lead and there is less than 2 minutes to play, a long kickoff return and can mean everything...or like we saw 2 years ago, trying to kick away from Pacman can result in a penalty and give it to us at the 40, which means we only need 25 yards for a long field goal.

Reason #2 - To Improve Our Defense

There is no doubt that our defense, and the secondary in particular, did not miss a beat without Pacman.  First and foremost, it allowed Finnegan a chance to shine at CB instead of Nickel (and also allowed Fuller a chance to shine at Nickel).

But this year, Harper showed he may have a problem with concussions.  And when that happened, Reynaldo "throw it my way if you want a 1st down" Hill had to play.  That is unacceptable.  If we had Pacman, it bolsters our defense, whether he takes Harper or Finnegans place and gives us better depth.

I just want to remind people that last year Pacman only had 6 balls caught on him during man-to-man coverage.  He is an elite level CB.  And one that shouldn't suddenly suck when our pass rush is not there at the end of some games.

Reason #3 - To Give Us a Different Playmaking Option on Offense

Our offense has no play makers.  None.  I am totally in favor of having Pacman on offense, if nothing else.  He is hard to tackle.  He is fast.  And he has good hands.  

Play him at the slot.  Let him run some.  Let him catch short passes.  

Having Pacman on the field will not let people like Bob Sanders to give all their attention to Vince.  He is such a dangerous playmaker, he will immediately take pressure off of Vince.

Reason #4 - To Not Waste a Draft Pick

At this point if we don't let Pacman on the team, I doubt there is a trade market for him.  So we would probably be forced to cut him.  A team that is rebuilding can not afford to lose out on #6 overall picks, particularly if we don't get anything back in return when he is off the team.

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Well, there it is.  I have laid out some initial thoughts on why we should let Pacman back.  I think with Pacman, we can be a legit Super Bowl team next year because one guy could and would improve all 3 areas of a football team.  Of course, we can and will survive without him, but I think with a talent like his, we have to find a way to keep him in line and get him on the field.

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Bring back the Pac.  And just hope Haynesworth doesn't eat him.
Go Titans!

by gramsey712 on Jan 7, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

when
1 guy can possibly improve all 3 areas of a football team, he might deserve a 4th or 5th chance...

:)

by zackmann on Jan 7, 2008 9:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What is
his contract situation with the Titans at this point?

by kpocyclo on Jan 7, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Contract
He is signed thru 2010
Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Jan 8, 2008 7:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

locker room
From a fan's perspective of just looking at what Pacman did on the field, I think all this is valid.  But we don't see the stuff that goes on behind the scenes / in the locker rooms, and I think that's a huge factor in the Pacman question.

As to the offensive point, well I think primarily they need to get some dang offensive play-makers rather than rely more heavily on Pac as a receiver.  But as far as return game goes - yes they hugely missed him this year.

Regarding his defensive play, one of the pass defense problems the Titans seem to have is missed coverage in zone defense. Zone requires more of a team mentality and more discipline to play than man.  How did Pacman do when playing in zone during the 2006 season?  I honestly don't know.

If the players and coaches are willing to accept him back, I'm willing to root for him as a Titan again, and hope he doesn't screw up off the field again.

by numbertenox on Jan 7, 2008 11:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
100% again. The players and the coaches will be the key. Does his good play outweigh his idiocracy?

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 7, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re
on defensive zone....Clearly Pac is best suited to man to man, but I remember him playing well in the zone.  For instance, that Jax win where he tricked the Jag QB into an out rout, then recovered, leaped high, and made a spectacular INT.

on offense....i truly think that by simply putting Pac in the slot would take pressure off of Vince by limiting the use of a spy.  Remember when he was being used more and more on offense at the end of 06?  It was typically in the red zone and was usually a decoy.  I think he could do more, but even that is enough to squeeze a little more production out of our offense.

by zackmann on Jan 8, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On offense
we need to draft, sign, or trade for a WR to do that.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 8, 2008 1:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Receivers
I agree we need a playmaker at WR to take some of the pressure off VY but I think that a good, big receiving TE will really help in the red zone. You cant win playoff games with field goals and the addition of a pass threat once we get near the goal line will help get all the pressure off white. I am also in full agreement about Pac, we need a return game and we need to have more depth in the secondary.

by mccarronz on Jan 9, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But don't forget that Fisher doesn't like to play
zone.  He prefers to play man-coverage.  He only plays zone when he pretty much has to, which is not a lot if you have Cortland Finnegan and Nick Harper or PacMan Jones out there but considerably more if it's just Finnegan and old Rey "Throw it my way" Hill.

Bottom line, with Pac in the game, you can change your coverage to suit your strengths.  That is a good thing.

DannoE

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Thanks!

by DannoE on Jan 8, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bring him back!
Im sorry Jimmy, but I agree!
Bring him back!!!
Just hope hes in good shape...
The biggest Titans fan in Brazil.

by brazilian fan on Jan 8, 2008 6:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

no doubt...
we need to bring him back.  he has stayed pretty low key since the wrestling situation.  he is a good player, he will land somewhere, he fills many holes that we have, we are paying him a heck of a lot of money, he needs to come back

by gotitans27 on Jan 8, 2008 7:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

All great points....
....The man has stayed out of trouble for a year.  I have to give him credit for that.  He is obviously a game changing player, and that is something the Titans desperately need.  I am all for him coming back with a few rules that are set in stone:
  1. If he gets in trouble again, he is gone with very few questions asked.
  2. The Titans coaches/leaders have to make sure he does not become a distraction in the locker room.  What the 2007 team lacked in talent it made up for with chemistry.  I don't want that to be disrupted if he comes back.
  3. He plays within the scheme of the defense.  There is a lot of talk that he was doing a lot of his own thing back there last season.  The Titans cannot coddle him anymore.  If he messes up, he is accountable.
  4.  He returns kicks and punts.  I cannot stand to see either Chris on the receiving end of any ball coming off the opposing team's foot ever again.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles

by Jimmy on Jan 8, 2008 8:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL
And just hope Haynesworth doesn't eat him.

Pacman - Hi, guys

Haynesworth - GET IN MAH BELLY!

by Rustmeister on Jan 8, 2008 8:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with everything...
We can use him on offense, but he cant be our "playmaker', we still need to go out and get one of those.

by titanbt53 on Jan 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure.
They should explore the trade market.  I think Cinnci has some real problems on Defense, no?  And they have a decent spot in the draft.  If the Titans could get a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder for him from a team with a HIGH draft coice, I'd probably take a chance and look to find either a new monster DT or a replacement for Chris Brown.
DannoE

Go read FRIDAY MAD SCIENCE at www.paperbackreader.com
Thanks!

by DannoE on Jan 8, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not,
We have had NO success with mid level draft choices, our 7th round picks have been the best (Carlos hall, Rey Hill, Finnegan). Pac is a premier talent, and  if it is seen that he hurts the locker room, then he'd be gone already. Yet, the players have reached out for him and want him back.

by titanbt53 on Jan 8, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll be a Titan
I remember reading where the Titans asked Las Vegas to drop charges on PacMan.

I see that as an effort to "reach out" to the suspended, wayward one.

by Rustmeister on Jan 8, 2008 10:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm for him
coming back. But 1st it should be up to the players on the team to decide whether or not they feel he is a good fit. And I'm all for playing him everywhere. As long as we aren't counting on him as our playmaking WR. We need to sign or draft 1 of those.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 8, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i heard
 heard that on pacs first season during training camp they have some kind of tradition of picking up dirty laundry or something like that and pac refused to do it and got into it with the other players.  i heard also fisher had to come down and strighten it all out cus pac refused and was about to get into it with the other players.
  i heard also that when floyd reese drafted him they knew he was trouble but fisher stood up and said i can coach this guy and turn him around.
  i would like to see adam back with the team hell hes cut his hair thats a start.  i would use him up for screwing up the team this year and letting us all down.  i would make him go both ways and also return punts and kicks.  
   he was the first defensvie person drafted in that his draft class and number 6 overall. hes worth something.  id hate to be the guy that got shot and all but hes just a kid and from the way he grew up  dad killed, drugs, ect, ect its all normal for him. us here are mostley middle class people but we have to understand where he came from and what he was used to his entire life gowing up in the hood.  
  i say bring him back but punish him big time for letting his teammates and us all down this year.  heres an idea.  promise him a full time stripper at his beck and call in the offseason if he stays out of trouble this year.  

by dentureboy on Jan 8, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pac
would bring even more options for the defense.  

We could put pacman into man and bring zone of safety help on the other side while bring Hope down to the line to blitz or cover the TE.  

I think Finnegan plays man pretty good too.  But pac would limit the other teams options.  This would help a lot against the colts.  last 4 times we played them we allowed a lot of completions and yards and forced Field goals but with Pac man on Wayne and zone/safety help on Harrison you limit them to just clark and Gonzo.  that would be huge.  

but that is just my .02.

by white02slpss on Jan 8, 2008 7:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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